Just before the Veep debate, James Traub offers an article in FOREIGN POLICY on Vice-President Biden's impact on President Obama's foreign policy. Traub argues Joe Biden is the most powerful U.S. Vice President in history, not counting his immediate predecessor, Dick Cheney.
I find it interesting how Traub compares and contrasts Joe Biden's role to Dick Cheney's.
Yet, despite Joe Biden's influence, a familiar theme emerges: A Vice President who has often DISCOURAGED interventions in other countries.
In that sense, to the extent Thursday night's Veep debate deals with America's role in the world, we could see a real exchange between a Joe Biden who has resisted foreign interventions, and Congressman Ryan... emphasizing a Presidential ticket that seems to want to be even MORE interventionist.
(Be sure to read the last sentence in that attached article. Could we see another Bentsen/Quayle type putdown?)
Foreign policy is Joe Biden's strong point. It will be an interesting debate. Two strong men who know their stuff. Hopefully Biden can control himself and not get too wound up and go off; OK, most are hoping for that as that would make for more interesting TV.
Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:53pm
I'll be watching reruns of ALF.
Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:00pm
We did indeed hear the Bentsen-inspired line...but it fell flat.
I'm not sure what others saw but I saw a tie in tonights debate..predict no bounce for Obama or Romney.
Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:34pm
Paul was immature, and outgunned, and outclassed. I know Biden has the reputation as a buffoon among people who can't fault his policies, so they look for something else to demean him on, but, if you can't hold your own against Joe Biden, how are you going to be taken seriously ?
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 2:16am
kavips: Biden is a buffoon BECAUSE of his policies!
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 2:28am
Lol...Mr. Pizza... I would say the same about you and yours... :)
But if pressed, between you and him? ... at least his have considerable facts supporting them... :)
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 2:31am
I would say, between this Vice Presidential Debate and last, the jury is in; Sarah Palin is the better debater. She came across a lot better than Paul Ryan.
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 6:57am
Perhaps she was. However, the left doesn't DARE bully Paul Ryan the way they did Palin!
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 8:37am
The Left bullies no one. The Left states facts, and the Right, which can't run from the facts (because they are facts), calls that bullying.
Ryan totally failed at defending Romney's policy. Did Ryan walk off the field after the game? Yes, but the Republican defense of their policies lost very badly.
Ryan failed to defend Romney.
I think one great moment... Ryan speaks about Obama.. "If you can't defend your record, you attack the other side.." But in our debate room, we had a chorus, yelling at the television screen, of .... "but that is exactly what your boss, Romney and the Republican Party, does." True.
After that, the entire room all tried to focus on what Ryan/Romney will do. And there was nothing. Every time the moderator asked for specifics, Ryan dodged.
How can you vote for a person or a team that has had a full year-and-a-half to prepare for this, and now, twenty-five days before the election... all they can say is... we are not Obama?
Especially because their opponent killed Bin Laden, saved General Motors, saved millions of homes from going under, grew 5 million private-sector jobs, has the entire world behind his sanctions for Iran, has pulled out of Iraq, will pull out of Afghanistan, has joblessness now under 8 percent, has unemployment filings the lowest in 3 years, has 31 consecutive months of job growth,.... in fact the only thing this president has going against him is the Republican Party lying he has done a bad job. Facts show differently.
Ronald Reagan didn't do as good a job as Obama has done.... Ronald Reagan took longer to get out of a tiny bump of a recession than Obama took to get us out of the 2nd Great Depression....
And if it weren't for Republicans putting up every imaginable roadblock, we would have gotten out a lot faster.... Since the Tea Party took over the House, Republicans have slashed 500,000 good jobs out of government. Imagine if all those people were still working now? On top of the private-sector job growth, 5.3 million that Obama's team created?
The problem is Republicans. And Ryan did nothing to abate that issue.
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 9:23am
kavips Fri, Oct 12, 2012 8:37am
"The Left bullies no one"
Ask the girl in the Romney t-shirt how she felt at school.
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 11:06am
Introduce us, and I will. I'm curious if she was set up as a victim by her parents. For example if I sent my child to school with a shirt that said "KKK Got It Right", and complained about the reaction, I'd be rightfully sent to jail, for endangering the welfare of my child. If I sent my child to school in the USSR while Stalin was dictator, and it said on it: Stalin is a "Ho", I'd be rightfully sent to jail for endangering the welfare of my child....
Really, what was that child's parent thinking? Don't they know you don't put "Secret Satanic" messages on kids clothing?
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 11:06am
The debate was a tie...Biden was a pompous Cheshire cat and Ryan didn't do a stellar job defending his positions strongly enough. I doubt anyone was swayed to either presidential candidate after this VP debate...which puts the spotlight back on the REAL job being auditioned for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 11:16am
kavips, and would you have us believe you (and those on the Left) would have the same reaction had a teacher done the same thing to a student wearing an Obama tshirt?...or how about a GW Bush = Terrorist shirt?...or are those students merely practicing their First Amendment rights?
Once again we see that "...some animals are more equal than others." ~Orwell
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 2:25pm
Earl Grey: valid points. I would have to see in what environment those shirts were worn, before making such a determination.
Another possibility, and I'm putting myself in that teachers place now, would be that this was brought up in order to help develop that child, to get that child to develop the capacity to think on their feet, to defend themselves, to argue back their points effectively and who knows, perhaps that experience could propel them to one day be on a presidential debate stage. Teachers usually love their students and mean well. The child could have told her parents and they could be the true problem, not the teacher.
I (or none of us really) don't have access to enough information to make that determination at this time.
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 10:11am
Kavips: You wouldn't know a fact OR a bully if one landed on your head!
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