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John McCain's vastly different responses to the two Rice's -- Condoleezza vs. Susan

It's becoming fairly evident President Obama will risk another conflagration with Congressional Republicans by nominating U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice to be the next Secretary of State. Because of her initial remarks about Benghazi (and doubtless for other reasons as well), Susan Rice is completely unacceptable to Senate Republicans led by John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

Given the battle over the "fiscal cliff", I wonder if the President would do better to AVOID yet a second battle by nominating Senator John Kerry (Senate collegiality would put him over the top!) or better, former Utah Governor, former U.S. Ambassador to China, and brief G.O.P. Presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman (Choosing Huntsman could be cast as bipartisan, no matter that Huntsman is too far left to ever get the G.O.P. Presidential nomination; plus, a Mormon would be fourth in line in the Presidential succession!).

But apparently this President knows and trusts Susan Rice.

That said, the "Fact-checker" at The WASHINGTON POST finds inconsistency (or hypocrisy?) in how Senator McCain has treated Susan Rice in contrast to the "other" Rice -- Condoleezza...


Posted at 7:57am on November 15, 2012 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Thu, Nov 15, 2012 3:09pm
It's always disconcerting, sometimes frightening, when we hear about major Cabinet secretary appointments are selected on the basis of political fealty, rather than qualifications.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was one great example. She had never been a diplomat on any level and had no foreign policy experience other than ordering Egg Foo Young at the local Chinese restaurant. Yet, in 2008, Obama appointed Hillary to head up the State Department?!? She was completely unqualified, but Obama "owed" her a job because she endorsed and supported Obama after their contentious primary in 2008. Horse-trading, with no regard as to whether the person is qualified for the job.

If you're as old as I am, you might remember Reagan's appointment of James Watt to the Interior Department. That department is supposed to protect the environment, but Reagan went with an oil company executive who had a long history of tearing down wetlands to drill for oil.

So, we know that Kerry, John Huntsman or whomever will get picked merely as payback for supporting the Obama campaign.

Allan Loudell
Thu, Nov 15, 2012 3:19pm
Although John Kerry has foreign policy experience by virtue of chairing the Senate Foreign Relations Committee - and not surprisingly, speaks French, while Jon Huntsman is fluent in Chinese, and served as U.S. Ambassador to China. After falling far behind in the race for the G.O.P. Presidential nomination, Huntsman withdrew and endorsed Mitt Romney. It was a tepid endorsement, however, and Huntsman later talked about the crying need for a viable Third Party. That made him persona non grata at G.O.P. fundraisers, and he missed the G.O.P. convention for the first time in ages. Huntsman never formally endorsed President Obama, however.

Allan Loudell

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:49pm
I think Jon Huntsman would be a great choice to replace Hillary. He's got experience and does speak fluent, I believe, Mandarin Chinese. He's a moderate Republican, and probably more of an Independent actually.

Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:02am
Teatime: How do you figure Hillary had no experience? She was president for 8 years, although most people think it was her husband!

Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:16am
What I take away from the fact-check article is that in both cases, both Rices were speaking the official positions of their Presidential administrations rather than their own personal positions. It hardly disqualifies anybody, and I don't see that John "Swiftboat" Kerry or even Huntsman would be any better. After all, a liberal is a liberal is a liberal, and in Obama's case, the liberals in his cabinet are outspoken supporters of Mao Tse-tung.

Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:58am
Oh, while we're on the subject of Rice's, I think the president should consider MARK Rice for the position as well. So Mr. Rice, if you're still monitoring this blog, be sure to submit your resume' to the president!

Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:38pm
I believe it is time to appoint Jasmine Rice to this position. Between her and her sister, Basmati, both are considered by experts to be the best in their fields.

That said, it should be pointed out here that the Republican Party is completely falling apart at the seams.

John McCain as mentioned above, spoke harshly against Ms Rice. But not mentioned above and starting to take off as a story now, due to CNN's reporting, is that (this is too good, one has a hard time believing it is real)... is that John McCain called a press conference to say we needed a special committee on Benghazi because He wasn't getting the full story, while playing hookey from the top secret meeting informing the Senate committee on what exactly took place in Benghazi. In otherwords, he ducked the top secret classified meeting where all was out in the open, to grandstand and call for a special committee to get more information....

When questioned: he got testy.... Unable to say, "I didn't want to know the real truth because I wanted to still be able to blame Obama", he got into a verbal spat with the reporter....

Thank heavens, America saved us from this horrid despicable party.


Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:51pm
And back to the thread.

What is missing from all these scenarios of who should be the nominee, is Obama's choice.

What isn't being mentioned is the degree of trust one must have in one's secretary of state. That primarily means loyalty.

When the Secretary comes back and briefs the president, say as in Saddam of the Gulf War, the president needs to ask, what is your perspective? What do you feel in your gut? Will he or won't he go to war? And based on that answer, great money will be spent in either direction x or direction y.

I don't see how Obama could get that mutual trust off Huntsman. Kerry perhaps from the Senate Days. But, having had a female head of the State Department, I would feel, that probably that is the way he will choose to go, because he is used to it... it feels familiar.

"Mr. President, Although he didn't say, it, I felt it; he will go to war if we push..."

Whoever it is, I just hope there is a bond there that rises far above any resume....

Fri, Nov 16, 2012 1:37pm
Condi & Susan Rice both repeated the info they were fed...Bush fed Condi, who fed Susan Rice the "movie" storyline?

What did the president know and when did he know it?

Sat, Nov 17, 2012 1:36am
Kavips and Mark Rice: Two peas in a pod!

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Nov 18, 2012 4:27pm
Mrpizza: Actually I'm glad Kavips posts here. I don't always agree with him, but there are times I do. But more importantly, he expresses his more liberal point-of-view in an intelligent way without insulting those who disagree with him (that is a very refreshing thing for me as I know a number of liberals who've I'd tried to discuss this stuff with, who get insulting, mock my faith in Jesus Christ, etc. I can't think of one time Kavips has done any of that to any of us here.

Unlike Mark Rice who'd get rather nasty when folks didn't see it his way, which was a real shame as Mark had some good stuff and I enjoyed hearing his point-of-view, just didn't need the insults, etc. So yes, Mark Rice and Kavips have similar political views, but I sure enjoy reading Kavips' posts more, because his approach is reasonable and respectful of those of us who don't see it the same way he does.

Hopefully I am doing the same thing with my posts, expressing myself, but being respectful of those who don't see it the same way as me. The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you'd want them to do unto you.

Sun, Nov 18, 2012 8:59pm
I'm slightly at odds in being compared to someone I don't know.. I'm sure it is the equivalent to me calling Mr. Pizza by the praiseworthy name of Jerry Lundegaard...

I have refrained from doing so, because I am not sure Mr. Pizza, nor those who comment here regularly, would make the connection. The same with me when compared to this past commentator...

Perhaps in the future, my comparison could be made with Obama, at least we know who that is. He is, after all, probably the best president we have seen in our lifetime...


Sun, Nov 18, 2012 9:04pm
And thanks Mike for the kind words. However, anyone who mocks Jesus or God for that matter, are particularly the ones who need to be shown the better side and good habits of Christiandom. Sometimes logic fails to express and explain something that can only be felt to be understood.... The words of Scripture do help, but I think alone, they can't quite express the wonder and wisdom that comes from being part of something not just bigger than our individual lives, but hugely bigger.

Mon, Nov 19, 2012 2:06am
Kavips: You can't POSSIBLY be as bad as Obama!

Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:53am
Kavips: If you want to compare me to somebody, you can refer to me as "Andrew Breitbart".

Wed, Nov 28, 2012 7:16pm
It is very strange that these three are trying so hard to blemish Ms. Rice.

Particularly after she met with them.

The real question should be asked, is this...

With these three Senators'breadth of experience, and their vast knowledge and past history of knowing about security..... Did they ever once question whether we had sufficient security in our diplomatic consular missions?

No. If not, then why do they have these committee positions?

John McCain:

1. Ranking Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services
2. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
3. Member, Subcommittee on International Security

Lindsey Graham?

1. Senate Committee on Armed Services
2. Member, Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
3. Member, Subcommittee on Readiness and Management Support
4. Ranking Member, Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs
5. Member, Subcommittee on Defense

Ayotte’s committees?

1. Senate Committee on Armed Services
2. Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Readiness and Management Support
3. Member, Subcommittee on Personnel
4. Member, Subcommittee on SeaPower

I would think it was a serious breach of duty on the part of all three of these Senators... They are responsible for oversight. They didn't do their jobs.

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