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Washington Post: Then-Congressman Carper set up double-date (with stewardesses) for himself & Barney Frank; that led to Frank coming out of the closet

The WASHINGTON POST has a fascinating piece about how a then unmarried Tom Carper happened to be on a Congressional flight to Egypt with Massachusetts U.S. Representative Barney Frank.

The POST says Carper set up a double-date with stewardesses on their plane, only to discover that Frank didn't seem that interested. One definitive clue: It was New Year's Eve and Frank didn't kiss his date when the clock struck Midnight!


You can hear my interview with Senator Tom Carper (D-DE) about this...

Audio Here

Posted at 8:17am on December 4, 2012 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:42am
ok.. This story didn't feel right, so I looked up the dates to check my memory... In 1982, Tom was still Treasurer of Delaware. And his divorce was in 1983....

Maybe Barney has the wrong year?

or... on second thought, he is calling the end of 82/83 year 82, which means Tom would probably have been separated from his first wife, and, that he'd won the election as a Congressmen,but was not yet sworn-in.

I would be surprised if so, that a trip to Egypt would occur between a newly-oriented incoming freshman who essentially was still a state treasurer, and a two-year Congressman...

Perhaps Allan can get Tom on the phone this afternoon?

Allan Loudell
Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:48am
I've already e-mailed Senator Carper's office to try to set up an interview, and clarify the circumstances, time frame, etc. On initial response, the senator's press secretary did not turn me down because of the subject matter.

Of course, we'd also update the fiscal cliff, etc.

Allan Loudell

Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:16am
Carper is senile and doesn't seem to have all of his marbles. If I had to sit through a date with Carper, I might convert to homosexuality, adopt Shintoism, become a cannibal, or escape to a Soviet gulag.

Allan Loudell
Tue, Dec 4, 2012 1:35pm
Senator Carper tells me this trip took place AFTER the Beirut barracks bombing. That would make it the end of 1983. Listen to audio interview, now posted above...

Allan Loudell

Tue, Dec 4, 2012 4:06pm
Thanks for following up... it could happen only in Delaware.... :)

Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:03pm
Does anybody really care about this? I suppose it passes as a break from all the "fiscal cliff" talks, but really. 1983?
The Herman Cain scandal was much more interesting and dramatic.

Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:40pm
Any time Delaware gets mentioned... it is always interesting. Wouldn't you feel the same if Cecil County made the national news? Of course!... There is something special when your own personal life intertwines with something relevant to a national audience....... and for a brief moment, your home turf is in the national spotlight.

Allan Loudell
Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:01am
To answer mr pizza's question, this post is getting many more "hits" than the typical...

And yes, I suspect the endless discussion of the fiscal cliff (or slope) on talk radio, newsradio, network newscasts, and the nighttime cable news/talk shows has become endlessly numbing and a tune-out. It's important, but this has become the news media equivalent of "Groundhog Day".


Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:18am
I'm so glad Barney Frank is finally retiring, unlike Carper who, in my view, aspires to be the next Strom Thurmond.

However, I would admonish Mr. Frank that if he wants to live out a long, healthy retirement he should stop sticking his "frank" in places God didn't create it to go!

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:50am
Mrpizza: John Williams (who was known as the watchdog of the Senate) and Bill Roth, both Republicans in the Senate from Delaware, were quite old, both served Delaware quite well, just as Tom Carper has. Carper isn't anything like the Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond, other than Carper is now an older Senator, but that's where the similarities end.

Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:41am
True that, and here is what is amazing with very old people.(post 90's)... Carper, who just this election cycle, was bashed by Pires for his age and demeanor, has to live half of another lifetime to catch up to Strom Thurmond...

May we all be as lucky...

Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:07pm
Well, Carper only has 35 more years to get to 100!

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:17pm
Carper is only 65? Mrpizza the way you talk, you make it sound like Carper is 85 and there's a big difference. Bill Roth and John J. Williams were far older than than, so what? As long as he's able to do the job well, who cares how old he is (OK you're GOP so even if Carper was 40 you'd not think he's doing a good job).

Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:37pm
I actually liked Carper as governor. He signed more death warrants than any governor I'd ever seen. Too bad that murderers now get a free hotel-room paid for by the taxpayers the rest of their lives.

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