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So what's on your mind this weekend?


Delaware's Compensation Commission goes along with Governor Markell's recommendation of salary hikes for certain cabinet secretaries & judges but LESS than sought by the governor. Some increases would be postponed to 2014.


Delaware's non-profit organizations contemplate a possible decline in donations in 2013, because the fiscal cliff deal that cleared Congress limits tax incentives for wealthy donors, according to The NEWS JOURNAL.


As WDEL first reported Thursday, a 10-year-old girl from Manheim, Pennsylvania, has died in Elkton, Maryland, from a random bullet apparently fired into the air to welcome the New Year. The back story is touching.

According to The BALTIMORE SUN's account: "Aaliyah Boyer had hoped to watch the New Year's ball drop on TV, but when she learned she had missed the stroke of Midnight by 32 seconds, she returned to the front yard with her friends to watch her neighbors light fireworks.

Nearby, someone apparently fired a gun into the air to add to the celebration. Amid the jubilation, the 10-year-old fell to the ground, the warmth and color draining from her body after she was hit by a falling bullet. Her family initially thought that she had fainted, but the wound would prove fatal..."

That story in The BALTIMORE SUN goes on to note that this tragedy is not isolated, that injuries & deaths from wayward bullets are all too common.

Whatever your position on the Second Amendment, surely we can agree some people with guns lack basic common sense. Doubtless alcohol plays a role in all too many cases.



The PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER reports a Widener University dean who also happened to be a Franciscan priest stepped-down in July after university officials learned the priest had been accused of sexually abusing a teenaged boy during the 1980's. The 55-year-old priest had spent nine years at Widener. The Franciscans did remove Michael Ledoux from his public ministries. But they failed to notify Widener about the accusations. On the other hand, Widener never sought information from the Franciscans before hiring him. Widener is a secular institution, of course, and Ledoux did not wear a priest's Roman collar or a friar's robe. Widener insists it found no evidence of complaints or improper conduct involving Ledoux during his time at the university. The priest - now confined to a Franciscan monastery in upstate New York - continues to insist on his innocence.



From The PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE:

GAMBLING REVENUE LAST YEAR in PA. SECOND ONLY to NEVADA

"Pennsylvania is becoming the new Vegas -- or at least the new Atlantic City.

For the second straight year, the commonwealth's casinos are on pace to generate more gambling revenue than every other state in the union but one -- Nevada..."




The WASHINGTON POST's (and CNN's) Fareed Zakaria on the fiscal cliff deal:


WHAT's MISSING from the CLIFF DEBATE: GROWTH

"The deal to avoid the 'fiscal cliff' is a small victory for sanity, but what it says about the future is bleak. Washington will lurch from crisis to crisis, kicking problems forward and placing Band-Aids on those that it does address. There are likely going to be no large-scale policy initiatives -- on tax reform, entitlements, energy policy or even immigration. This is worrying, because beyond the self-inflicted crises of the cliff and the debt ceiling, the United States faces a much deeper challenge.

For more than a decade -- and longer, by some measures -- U.S. growth rates have slowed, recoveries have been jobless and median wages have declined..."



That leads us to this story from POLITICO:

G.O.P. SCRAMBLES to FIX its PRIMARY PROBLEM

"The disastrous 2012 election and embarrassing fiscal-cliff standoff has brought forth one principal conclusion from establishment Republicans: They have a primary problem.'

The intra-party contests, or threat thereof, have become the original sin that explains many of the party's woes in the minds of G.O.P. leaders. It's the primaries that push their presidential nominees far to the right (see "self-deportation" and "47 percent"); produce lackluster Senate candidates (Todd Akin has almost become a one-word shorthand); and, as seen most vividly in the last two weeks, dissuade scores of gerrymandered House members from face-saving compromise while politically emasculating their speaker."


Here's that POLITICO article in full---


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/gop-scrambles-to-fix-its-primary-problem-85726.html



No end to the controversy over that Gannett newspaper, The JOURNAL NEWS's decision to publish the names and addresses of gun-permit holders in its circulation area around West Nyack, New York. Hypocritically to some (or many), The JOURNAL NEWS hired a team of armed guards. The latest scare: A threatening envelope of white powder was discovered in the newsroom's mail. It was found to be harmless.


Posted at 8:30am on January 4, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

teatime
Fri, Jan 4, 2013 3:05pm
Washington will lurch from crisis to crisis because of the culture of partisanship in our halls of Congress. If the Democrats have an idea for cutting long-term debts, the Republicans will automatically oppose the idea. And vice-versa. There will never be a consensus because of this childish partisanship.

As I've stated in this forum many times, the only solution to cutting our debt long-term is to cut 'defense' spending. But, of course, this will never happen.


teatime
Fri, Jan 4, 2013 4:20pm

And, to the point of partisanship, Speaker Boehner now says he will no longer negotiate any deals with President Obama:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/politics/obama-congress/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

kavips
Sat, Jan 5, 2013 1:00am
That Boehner quote was incidentally made before the vote yesterday for Speaker of the House... He needed to say something since only 85 republican Reps crossed over to vote for the fiscal deal and if he were to get 16 votes against him leading up to his Speaker vote, then the entire Speaker of the House election gets tossed up into the air, with a runoff vote, with everyone jumping in.

I think the dodged the bullet by three votes. That saying, he needed to calm a few souls, sort of like Earl Grey and Mr. Pizza here, who wouldn't vote for him if all he was going to do was toss in the towel, every time he met with Obama.

As an impartial observer, I am pleased with Boehner. When it mattered in August 11, he did craft a grand deal, costing $4 Trillion that would have prevented not only the fiscal cliff, but, would have decreased this year's deficit already, and put us on the path to prosperity by laying down the tax landscape for the next decade to come.

Of course, Paul Ryan, nixed that grand bargain. Said nope, we won't support it.

I don't think anybody on this thread would want to have Boehner's job.. Right now, he needs his own Rumpelstiltskin to spin Tea Partiers into respectable Republicans, a task equally as impossible as turning straw into gold....

kavips
Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:54am
Looks like this weekend's hot story is the 67 Republicans who voted AGAINST the paltry 9 billion as the first leg of Hurricane Sandy Relief... Some of which came form Hurricane Katrina ground zero. Some of which used the very same flood fund along the Missouri River, some of which implored Congress to fund beach sand erosion in their own districts, ... And Mister Pizza... This Andy Harris you speak so highly of... He even voted against it... AND OCEAN CITY, MARYLAND, IS IN HIS DISTRICT! Hope you never need help from you Congress person... What a horrible human being he must be.

But the hypocrisy is on top of all the internet feeds this morning, so I expect it is all we will hear until Monday...

Btw... I probably don't need to say this, but every single one of the 67 who voted against helping those in desperate need... were Republicans... Tea Partiers to be exact....

kavips
Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:56am
This is a great interactive map from the NY Times which is where I found all of the above...

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/7

It is fun to look at just to see the trends...

mrpizza
Sat, Jan 5, 2013 3:36pm
Mike From Delaware: To answer your last post to me from the January 2nd blog, I too hope Obama fails. Here is the list of things I want him to fail at:

If I were the Devil . . . I mean, if I were the Prince of Darkness, I would of course, want to engulf the whole earth in darkness. I would have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree, [thee] so I should set about however necessary to take over the United States.

I would begin with a campaign of whispers. With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you, as I whispered to Eve:
Do as you please. Do as you please.

To the young, I would whisper, The Bible is a myth. I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around. I would confide that what is bad is good, and what is good is square.

In the ears of the young marrieds, I would whisper that work is debasing, that cocktail parties are good for you. I would caution them not to be extreme in religion, in patriotism, in moral conduct.

And the old, I would teach to pray. I would teach them to say after me: Our Father, which art in Washington . . .

If I were the devil, Id educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull an uninteresting. Id threaten T.V. with dirtier movies and vice versa.

And then, if I were the devil, Id get organized. Id infiltrate unions and urge more loafing and less work, because idle hands usually work for me.
Id peddle narcotics to whom I could. Id sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. And Id tranquilize the rest with pills.

If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects but neglect to discipline emotions . . . let those run wild. I would designate an atheist to front for me before the highest courts in the land and I would get preachers to say shes right.

With flattery and promises of power, I could get the courts to rule what I construe as against God and in favor of pornography, and thus, I would evict God from the courthouse, and then from the school house, and then from the houses of Congress and then, in His own churches I would substitute psychology for religion, and I would deify science because that way men would become smart enough to create super weapons, but not wise enough to control them.

If I were Satan, Id make the symbol of Easter an egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle. If I were the devil, I would take from those who have and I would give to those who wanted, until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. And then, my police state would force everybody back to work. Then, I could separate families, putting children in uniform, women in coal mines, and objectors in slave camps.

In other words, if I were Satan,
Id just keep on doing what hes doing.

Paul Harvey, Good Day.
April 3, 1965

Irv Homer died on June 24th, 2009 at the age of 85.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:52pm
Mrpizza: I used to enjoy Paul Harvey's commentaries.

My problem is your equating Obama with Satan.

Many liberals saw Bush Jr, Newt Gingrich, and Ronald Reagan in a similar light. This "demonizing" of someone, because they have a different approach to fixing the nations problems is wrong in my opinion and puts up barriers for those on the other side of the fence to come to Christ.

Think about it for a moment. Almost half the nation favors the liberal view, just as almost half favor the conservative view. Yet, there are Christians in both camps, granted more are in the GOP than the DEM party and that gap is growing:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/research-shows-growing-republican-democratic-god-gap-76973/

Probably due to the gay/lesbian issue and abortion anytime all time no matter what and other moral type issues. This is the DEM party's Achilles Heel.

But IF we equate being a Christian with being a Republican, that means we've put up a barrier to almost half the nation that Christ isn't for them, because they are libs or DEMS. That's totally wrong. Christ came for all sinners, both GOP sinners and DEM sinners.

I don't agree with all of Obama's ideas or values (definitely not his gay/lesbian views or his any and all abortions 24/7, but yet I do agree with his helping the lesser than thee values that seem to be so lacking in the GOP), but I also don't see him as Satan.

There are some GOP values I also don't agree with, but don't label those who have those views as Satan or Satan's followers either. Really, we shouldn't help the lesser than thee. I keep waiting for Bohner or McConnell to say, don't we still have work houses and prisons for these folks that I already pay taxes to support (al la Charles Dickens).

That's where you and I disagree. Both parties ARE NOT following the Gospel. Both do in some respects, but not in all. Both with lie, say anything they've got to say or do to win the election. Neither is honorable, Neither is following Christ.

The difference is the DEMS openly say they don't want Christians (which is at least honest), whereas the GOP uses the Christians to help win elections for them, but have no real interest in Christian values, just having smaller government, and no taxes. They see Christians as a necessary evil within their party to help win, but as the population of Christian's continues to shrink in America, watch the GOP throw Christians under the bus, IF they believe by doing that would win them the election.

That's why I'm an Independent. I don't like or trust either party. Both are phoney-balonies.

I thought Irv homer had died, but just couldn't remember for sure, thanks for the update.


mrpizza
Sun, Jan 6, 2013 3:24am
MFD: I think we agree more than disagree. I don't have a whole lot of love for my own political party these days because I don't see them standing up for the core values and beliefs, in other words, the Republican platform. I think the Democrats have brow-beaten them to the point that they'll accept any deal they have to just to get them and the tabloid media off their backs.

The reason I posted the Paul Harvey commentary was not to say that Obama and the Democrats are Satan, but I find it to be a better description of their agenda than what I could ever come up with. Interestingly, Mr. Harvey wrote this in 1965, which now is almost 50 years ago. There is definitely a satanic agenda in play here. "For we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers and rulers of darkness". The devil himself has succeeded at much of what is described here.

Just an observation about Obama, and this isn't intended as rhetoric. I don't consider him to be the Anti-Christ, however I do believe he's anti-Christian. I consider him a forerunner to the Anti-Christ, or in other words, he's "preparing ye the way" for him. Just the way he got elected is eerily similar to how scripture describes how the Anti-Christ will come to power. Obama is literally worshiped as a god by much of the left, and yes, some Christians, another irony because scripture also states "even the elect will be deceived".

At the end of the day, neither the Republicans or the Democrats have the answers. America will only be spared by "His people, who are called by His name", humbling themselves before God, seeking his face. He will heal our land, and in fact, I believe he is healing it, but at this time that's an unseen healing. I've learned not to base anything on what I see in the natural, be it good or bad.
I've even had people tell me that if God spares America, he'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, but the difference between America and that place is that God destroyed after he evacuated all the righteous, Lot and his family being the last of them. America still has many righteous, and it's his desire to redeem and not destroy.

With regards to Irv Homer, he died doing what he loved. He was the emcee at an awards banquet one night and dropped dead at the podium while making the opening remarks. He literally used up the last minutes of his life doing something productive.

You may or may not agree with this, but the only other host that I find to have any similarities to him is Al Mascitti.

mrpizza
Sun, Jan 6, 2013 3:31am
Kavips: I don't need help from congress, and in fact, I prefer they stay out of my life, which is why I speak so highly of Andy Harris.

By the way, my help comes from the Lord.

mrpizza
Sun, Jan 6, 2013 3:40am
Allan: The story of Aaliyah is so sickening. I'm as pro- Second Amendment as can be, but as with all freedom comes responsibility. Unfortunately, I don't know any way we can legislate this problem out of existence. The odds of even finding out who fired the bullet that killed her are slim to none, especially since there was probably more than one. The only way that can be solved would be for everybody firing a gun in that area on that night coming forward and having their gun ballistics tested. Anybody still got a conscience?

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Jan 6, 2013 4:26pm
Mrpizza: Yes, I agree with you that we probably do agree more than we disagree.

I agree with your statement: "There is definitely a satanic agenda in play here. "For we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers and rulers of darkness". The devil himself has succeeded at much of what is described here."

Actually that agenda has been around since the beginning of mankind as the devil has been working to subvert mankind away from God. Unfortunately, in our modern Science oriented world, it has become easier to do as many folks want a scientific explanation causing them to have a difficult time in having faith in things that are unseen. We're seeing the results of that in our nation today.

The fact of the matter is, those without Christ, do not realize or believe that living a homosexual lifestyle, aborting children, having any type of sex outside of marriage, greed, selfishness, lust, lying, cheating, stealing, etc, are sinful behavior. THAT's why you can't legislate morality with such folks, because they truly do not believe that stuff is wrong.

So rather than trying to legislate those moral beliefs we as followers of Christ believe in, it is better to follow the model Jesus showed us. Rather than fight with the Roman Empire, Jesus quietly went about his Father's business of winning one soul at a time. Those folks, in the early church, had the love of Christ in them and lived it, not just talked it. The people of their world commented about how much they loved one another. It was a revolutionary thing to behold. THAT still is the case today, because mankind, after the fall in the Garden of Eden, just doesn't seem able to do that WITHOUT Christ.

So why fight with the liberals as a church? Why fight with the conservatives as a church? Its fine for us as citizens to be involved in politics, but the church should stay away from it. We as Christians should not make any political issue a "Christian issue", because politics is dirty and putting the Lord's name anywhere near politics just soils his holy name and creates a barrier for many people in coming to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

So we as the followers of Jesus, should be putting our efforts in being used by God to give Christ's love, forgiveness, etc, away to others. What sort of Jesus does the "world" see when they look at most Christians today in America? Many people like Jesus, but don't like us, his followers. That tells me that we're not living our faith as well as we'd like to think we are. THAT's what THE CHURCH and its followers should be focusing on, being like that 1st Century Church that turned the world upside down by loving as Jesus did. THAT's when we'll see revival. Those 1st Century Christians didn't worry about their rights, or how put upon they were, etc, they used whatever, wherever, they were as an opportunity to be a servant of Christ, living that faith, by loving whomever they came in contact with, even the Roman soldiers and the hated tax collectors. Does that sound at all like today's church?? Not at all. St. Paul's letters, even while in prison after being beat, etc, were full of hope and no matter where he was, what he was experiencing, etc, he just went along and didn't worry about anything, he knew God had a plan and all he had to do was be faithful in loving those he came in contact with and telling them about God's Good News. Seems like all of us, need to learn that lesson. I know I sure do. If THE CHURCH (all denominations) had a revival in itself and refocused itself on being as faithful to Christ and his teachings, etc, as the 1st century church did, the "world" wouldn't know what hit them and we'd see the world again transformed as God's love and grace would flood the planet. The power of God's love can over come anything the devil is dishing out. Sorry didn't mean to get preachy, but this is so important.

glass1/2full
Sun, Jan 6, 2013 5:14pm
I have enjoyed this blog for over a year and will continue to do so in the future. I feel a need to respond for the first time; probably last, too.

My mother was a person who, in my experience, possessed an unqualified and unequaled faith. She practised her faith regularly in church, and served her church in every way a lay person could. She didn't proselytize, she didn't write letters or in any way publicize her beliefs. One only had to be in her presence, to observe how she lived her life to know she was a true child of God, and to be inspired. Most noticeable was her ability to look for, find, and respond to the good in EVERY person. I rarely, if ever, heard her speak negatively of anyone, and I was close enough to her that she could, if so inclined, "let her hair down" with me.
Sadly, Mr Pizza, if you represent Christianity in America today, perhaps that is why so many are staying away. Yours is no faith of my mother.

glass1/2full
Sun, Jan 6, 2013 5:38pm
And of course, she would never have said that....

mrpizza
Sun, Jan 6, 2013 6:34pm
Huh?

kavips
Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:39am
Quick reply to Mr. Pizza from further up above....

All help comes from the Lord... Sometimes he uses Obama as the tool to make it happen.

kavips
Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:43am
As for guns, I've been playing with this idea, and will leak it out here. What if we logged every gun's signature on its bullets fired, and registered that as we do fingerprints?

Then, with every bullet extracted, we'd know something of that gun's history. Also, when someone is pulled over, and has an illegal gun, that signature can be traced nationwide to see if any unsolved murders were connected to it...

mrpizza
Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:16am
Kavips: Oh, you're right. I'm not going to limit God as to who and what he can use. I'll let him use the devil if he so chooses.

kavips
Mon, Jan 7, 2013 3:12pm
ha, ha.. back at Mr. Pizza... Well, then if you'll let Him use the Devil, as you call Mr. Obama, can you please step aside, get out of His way, and let Him get on with it? lol..

EarlGrey
Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:54pm
kavips,

Wouln't it be a better idea to address the true problem illustrated in 99% of recent mass killings (the mental health system) instead of focusing on the tools of destruction (guns)? Remember, the Joker killer in Colorado had also rigged his apartment complex to explode.

I read the interesting article below earlier today...in it the writer asks why no "news agency" has pursued the mental health/medication backgrounds behind all these recent killings. Instead, all focus is on the instruments of destruction....which could be almost anything if in the hands of an insane (or evil) genius.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/



mrpizza
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:25am
Kavips: Nope. I ain't stepping aside. I'm going to continue to stand up for the truth, as is my Christian duty. That includes exposing evil for what it is, and calling evildoers on their actions. That is totally unrelated to whether or not he uses that same evildoer to get his blessing to me.

You're not going to get rid of me that easily.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:32am
Mrpizza: you seemed to have ignored or missed what I wrote to you Sunday, I've reposted the important part again here.

I said, "The fact of the matter is, those without Christ, do not realize or believe that living a homosexual lifestyle, aborting children, having any type of sex outside of marriage, greed, selfishness, lust, lying, cheating, stealing, etc, are sinful behavior. THAT's why you can't legislate morality with such folks, because they truly do not believe that stuff is wrong.

So rather than trying to legislate those moral beliefs we as followers of Christ believe in, it is better to follow the model Jesus showed us. Rather than fight with the Roman Empire, Jesus quietly went about his Father's business of winning one soul at a time. Those folks, in the early church, had the love of Christ in them and lived it, not just talked it. The people of their world commented about how much they loved one another. It was a revolutionary thing to behold. THAT still is the case today, because mankind, after the fall in the Garden of Eden, just doesn't seem able to do that WITHOUT Christ.

So why fight with the liberals as a church? Why fight with the conservatives as a church? Its fine for us as citizens to be involved in politics, but the church should stay away from it. We as Christians should not make any political issue a "Christian issue", because politics is dirty and putting the Lord's name anywhere near politics just soils his holy name and creates a barrier for many people in coming to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

So we as the followers of Jesus, should be putting our efforts in being used by God to give Christ's love, forgiveness, etc, away to others. What sort of Jesus does the "world" see when they look at most Christians today in America? Many people like Jesus, but don't like us, his followers. That tells me that we're not living our faith as well as we'd like to think we are. THAT's what THE CHURCH and its followers should be focusing on, being like that 1st Century Church that turned the world upside down by loving as Jesus did. THAT's when we'll see revival. Those 1st Century Christians didn't worry about their rights, or how put upon they were, etc, they used whatever, wherever, they were as an opportunity to be a servant of Christ, living that faith, by loving whomever they came in contact with, even the Roman soldiers and the hated tax collectors. Does that sound at all like today's church?? Not at all. St. Paul's letters, even while in prison after being beat, etc, were full of hope and no matter where he was, what he was experiencing, etc, he just went along and didn't worry about anything, he knew God had a plan and all he had to do was be faithful in loving those he came in contact with and telling them about God's Good News. Seems like all of us, need to learn that lesson. I know I sure do. If THE CHURCH (all denominations) had a revival in itself and refocused itself on being as faithful to Christ and his teachings, etc, as the 1st century church did, the "world" wouldn't know what hit them and we'd see the world again transformed as God's love and grace would flood the planet.

The power of God's love can over come anything the devil is dishing out."

Do you really believe that calling Obama, the devil or Satan is going to help bring people, especiallly liberal/DEMS to Christ?? Sure your TEA party friends may give you a high five, but is that what you really are seeking, political approval? Isn't our main job in this world, as commanded by Jesus himself, to go make disciples of all nations (which includes Democrats)?

Wouldn't it be far better to do the Father's work quietly and touch hearts and souls for Christ one heart, one soul at a time? Somehow name calling, and bashing someone doesn't seem me to be what Jesus would do in his effort to win people to him. I guess we'll really have to agree to disagree on this one.

EarlGrey
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:55am
No "high fives" from me....really disagree with almost everything the man in the White House believes, but he's not Satan. He could possible be the next Chavez, but definitely not the powerful demon hunting for man's souls as a prowling lion...seeking to devour.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:20am
EarlGrey: Well said.

mrpizza
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:36pm
MFD: No, I didn't ignore your post. You make a good point, but I'm simply exercising my constitutional freedoms to speak up as an individual on the issues. Yes, I belong to the church and represent Christ, but I'm also a citizen. As far as the church as an institution, that's a more controversial issue as there are so many factions, some believing Christians should stay out of politics while others are more civically active, such as WOLCC where I attend. In fact, one of our members, Ben Mobley, was the candidate for insurance commissioner.

Bottom line is, the views expressed are my own and don't necessarily represent the views of the church at large, which greatly vary from person to person and congregation to congregation.

mrpizza
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:39pm
Today is January 8th. On this date in 1935, Elvis Aron Presley was born in Tupelo, Mississippi. So, happy 78th birthday, Elvis! By the way, somebody please make sure Michele Bachmann gets this message!

Whether or not the king of rock 'n roll is still living remains an open question.

mrpizza
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:53pm
EarlGrey: Just a clarification about the devil and Obama. I never said Obama was the devil himself, but rather I used the Paul Harvey commentary as an illustration of the left's agenda because I felt Mr. Harvey's description was better than anything I could come up with.

It was Kavips who implied I think Obama and the devil are one in the same, and actually your Chavez comparison is about as accurate as any. At least they still have elections and religious freedom in Venezuela.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:25pm
Mrpizza: I defend yours and anyone's right to express your opinion. I have a problem when the person is identified as a Christian and then makes the statements you made that essentially did imply that Obama is Satan or satanic or at the least one of Satan's followers, as I've already discussed at length above.

I also don't have a problem with a Christian serving in an elected position, but I'd have a problem with that same politician trying to make his viewpoint "the Christian viewpoint". So if you oppose him, you're not holding a Christian view which would also tend to question whether or not you're a real Christian. Also, the Christian shouldn't need to advertise he's a Christian, his/her actions/words, etc., should do the talking for he/she. Again, St. Francis of Assisi famously said, "Preach the Gospel at all times, if necessary use words".

Our politics shouldn't get in the way of folks coming to know and accept Jesus Christ, but unfortunately, all too often it does. That doesn't honor the Lord, in my opinion.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jan 9, 2013 8:17am
I just found this news item, thought you'd all be interested, the Episcopal Church's National Catherdral is going to start performing gay/lesbian marriages soon.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130109/US.National.Cathedral.Gay.Marriage/?cid=hero_media

mrpizza
Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:04pm
MFD: Your point is well taken. Let me remind you, however, that every viewpoint is based upon that individual's value system. So an atheist would have viewpoints reflecting atheist values and agnostic viewpoints would reflect agnostic values. You can't separate the two. If a politician or a citizen is a Christian, then their viewpoint is going to be based on Christian values, without regard to whether or not it's stated as such.

Also, it's been said you can't legislate morality, but all legislation is based on the morality of the people writing and voting on it. Totally inescapable.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jan 9, 2013 11:03pm
Mrpizza: I agree that every viewpoint is based on an individuals value system. Thus why trying to legislate morality is so difficult. Yes, all legislation is based on the morality of the people writing and voting on it. That is exactly the problem.

You and I have our Christian values, but a major chunk of the folks today don't share those views, so we are going to be in opposition with them, because of our beliefs. The problem is THE CHURCH is trying to get a quick fix on these issues, so legislation. However, Jesus knew that wouldn't make for permanent change, but having a heart change in coming to Christ makes the difference.

It doesn't matter whether or not prostitution, abortion, drugs are legal for the Christian, because we're not living a life style where we'd go to a prostitute, or our wives would get an abortion (we'd only be having sex in marriage), or we'd not be using drugs, etc, etc. THAT's the type of change that really works, the one that comes from the Holy Spirit. The world can't replicate that, it only can come from God.

That's why I keep carping on the idea that THE CHURCH should stay out of politics, and focus on what Jesus told us to focus on, making Disciples of all nations. Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give to God what is Gods.


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