WDEL Blog: Allan Loudell

Open Friday / Weekend Forum

Which stories / issues / topics grab your attention as we enter the weekend?

One more blow to the arts in Delaware: Wilmington's Grand Opera House has laid off a quarter of its staff and the austerity drive isn't over. One catalyst: The Delaware Symphony Orchestra's decision to lop off most of its Classical Series at The Grand. Plus, a reduction in corporate financial support, coupled with no comparable increase in donations from private individuals.


The Green Party of Delaware and environmentalists demonstrated in front of the offices of Senators Carper and Coons, protesting their symbolic votes in favor of the XL Keystone pipeline.


Senator Carper explained the evolution of his thinking on gay / lesbian marriage, in an exclusive interview upstate with WDEL's Amy Cherry. In the end, the senator invoked the Golden Rule: Treating others as you'd want to be treated.


New Castle County Executive Tom Gordon told WDEL's Rick Jensen about the county's plan to enlist a consultant to overhaul the county's land use rules. The stated goal: To avoid "another" Barley Mill.


Gun enthusiasts worried about new constraints on weapons and provoked by rumors of government hoarding are stocking up on ammo in many places. Stores are finding it difficult or impossible to maintain adequate stock, and even some law enforcement agencies report shortages of assault rifles and bullets.


All this, as Connecticut and Maryland legislators approved historic new gun laws. Meanwhile, a bipartisan group of Pennsylvania lawmakers and law-enforcement officers were proposing measures to add a mandatory, two-year prison term on anyone found to possess an illegal weapon -- but ONLY in Philly.



More heads could roll at Rutgers: The sacking of Rutgers University head basketball coach Mike Rice and the resignation of his assistant coach Jimmy Martelli have not silenced the furor over that leaked video showing Rice abusing players with kicks, shoves, thrown basketballs, obscenities, and anti-gay slurs. More than fifty members of the Rutger's faculty call for the dismissal of athletic director Tim Pernetti; 28 faculty have signed a letter calling for the resignation of Rutgers University president Robert L. Barchi. Some New Jersey lawmakers want legislative hearings.

Late word Friday morning: The Rutgers athletic director has now been sacked.

Each of the Final Four coaches expressed shock over the video. Syracuse's Jim Boeheim and Louisville's Rick Pitino further described Rice as a sort of rogue who had gone postal.

Some questions come to mind: Was Coach Rice any more (or less) abusive than Indiana's legendary coach Bobby Knight? Did Knight hang on as long as he did (at Indiana) because: (1). The success of his teams, and his reputation for caring for his student athletes's academic progress, despite his famous flashes of temper and/or (2). He coached at a different time at Indiana, when such conduct was more likely to be tolerated and/or (3). Former players sing his praises. Would Rice's? and/or (4). By all accounts, Knight ran a "clean" program at Indiana, no NCAA sanctions! and/or (5). Knight's rants appear NOT to have included anti-gay bigotry... (Incidentally, the one time I conducted an extended interview with Bobby Knight, he was very much the gentleman!) By the way, Knight is currently under contract with ESPN as a basketball analyst. So far, he's not commented on Rice or Rutgers.



The tributes continue to pour in to the late Roger Ebert. The Pulitzer Prize-winning movie critic had worked at The CHICAGO SUN-TIMES for 45 years, and, for more than three decades, as the co-host of one of the most noted programs in TV history. The tension between newspaper rivals - Ebert and the late CHICAGO TRIBUNE's Gene Siskel - absolutely made the show, which started on Chicago's public broadcasting station, WTTW Channel 11. Of course, the show had its critics. Some thought the thumbs-up-or-thumbs-down approach trivialized movie critiques.

But above all, Roger Ebert was a newspaperman and a product of the Midwest, editor-in-chief of The DAILY ILLINI at my alma mater, the University of Illinois. Ebert still received the "DI" by mail every day in Chicago. Coincidentally, I happened to spend part of this past weekend in Ebert's Champaign-Urbana.

That Ebert persevered despite deteriorating health - the cancer surgeries that deprived him of parts of his face, and the ability to speak - proved to be a source of inspiration to many.

Ebert mostly kept his politics to himself, but we got a better idea of his world view - in his later years - by tweets and through his blog.

Recent examples:

"U.S. drones taking out our civilians without benefit of a trial? I'm with Rand Paul on this one." Twitter, March 7th, 2013, after Senator Rand Paul's 13-hour filibuster.

"We have the right to murder 'so-called U.S. citizens' abroad? With all due respect, Mr. President, that's bull----." Twitter, February 10th, 2013.

"Romney for gender equality in Middle-East -- not so much with equal pay & women's rights at home. #debate" Twitter, October 22nd, 2012.

"Biden smiling when nothing is funny. #vpdebate" Twitter, October 12th, 2012.

"Ron Paul is the only one I'd want to sit next to on a long airplane flight." Twitter, January 26th, 2012.

"Leaving politics out of it, what sets Ron Paul aside from every other G.O.P. candidate? He's the only one who is cool." Twitter, January 3rd, 2012.

"Court says yes, 5-4, to Obamacare. Thanks. We needed that." Twitter, June 28th, 2012.

"Clint, my hero, is coming across as sad & pathetic. He didn't need to do this to himself. It's unworthy of him." Twitter, August 30th, 2012, referencing Eastwood's appearance at the G.O.P. national convention.

"(Rupert Murdoch) has done more harm to journalism in America and Britain than any other person. I cannot speak for Australia. In the U.S., where his newspaper holdings are limited to The NEW YORK POST and the (actually good) WALL STREET JOURNAL, his damage has been done with FOX News, the first deliberately and unapologetically biased and partisan network in U.S. history. You disagree? Be my guest." Ebert writing on July 12th, 2011, when discussing Murdoch's decline resulting from allegations his media companies were hacking citizens' phones for scoops.


President Obame has come under a barrage of criticism after he called California's Attorney-General, Kamala Harris, the "best looking attorney-general in the country". That sparked an uproar on social media such as Twitter. NEW YORK magazine writer Jonathan Chait tweeted: "Obama's comment about Kamala Harris is disgraceful and really terrible for workplace equality." The Republican National Committee pounced on the President by Twitter: "Not awkward and perfectly fine for him to say, right?"


Thursday also saw a gaffe from the First Lady. Michelle Obama called herself a "busy single mother" during an interview. She caught herself. "You know, when you've got the husband who's president, it can feel a little single, but he's there..."



Are you following the North Korean crisis? Do you consider war virtually unthinkable, despite the bellicose rhetoric from Pyongyang? After all, the United States and South Korea have deterred North Korea for more than six decades. Or do you fear a miscalculation? Let's not forget: South Korea revised its rules of engagement after Pyongyang blew up the South Korean Navy ship, Cheonan, in 2010, killing 46 soldiers. Forget nukes for a moment. Even with conventional weaponry, North Korea can threaten all of South Korea and parts of the Japanese archipelago. And let's not forget the economic ramifications. Already, this instability threatens the South Korean economy, and by extension, all Asian economies. If a banking crisis in Cyprus could reverberate across world markets, just imagine for a moment the impact of some kind of war.


A high school senior from Pittsburgh who wrote a satirical op-ed to the Ivy League universities that rejected her application for admission has sparked a firestorm of criticism -- and support.

In her piece, "To (All) the Colleges that Rejected Me" - appearing in The WALL STREET JOURNAL - Suzy Lee Weiss says she wishes she had "started a fake charity" or gone to Africa "to scoop up some suffering child, take a few pictures, and write my essays about how spending that afternoon with Kinto changed my life."

Weiss suggests the odds were stacked against her - despite her 4.5 GPA, an SAT score of 2120, and experience as a Senate page - in part because she offered "about as much diversity as a saltine cracker." In short, her white skin; business-owner parents; and good education conspired against her in the application process. "What could I have done differently over the past years? For starters, had I known two years ago what I know now, I would have gladly worn a headdress to school. Show me to any closet, and I would've happily come out of it."


By mid Friday came word that Fisker Automotive was laying off most of its remaining employees in California, obviously the final nail for the chances of Fisker reviving the old GM Boxwood Road plant. Here's the best analysis I've seen of Fisker's checkered history -- from the CAR CONNECTION website. (The Delaware & Joe Biden angles gets substantial treatment in this piece.)


http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1083399_fisker-an-influential-disaster



Posted at 9:17am on April 5, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

teatime
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:39am
As usual, Carper is wrong on the gay marriage debate by describing it as a "treat others the same way you'd like to be treated."

If we follow this logic, groups like the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) could call it 'bigotry' that pedophiles are not recognized equally. NAMBLA could call for recognition of adult-child marriages and then scream bigotry, if anybody opposes this.

What happens if the pedophile groups call for recognition of pedophile marriages? Dare we oppose this and risk being called a 'bigot?'



billsmith
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:57am
teatime: You ARE a bigot. You being called a "bigot" is not future risk but present certainty.

AllanLoudell: You continue to enable homophobes like teatime in their hatred and bigotry. In law, silence implies consent. If you do not denounce his equating of homosexuality and pedophilia and point out this notion has been thoroughly discredited then you are as bigoted as he is. Are your sponsors aware that you condone and enable hate speech?

Allan Loudell
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 11:02am
Relax, Mr. Smith:

I have repeatedly asserted - both in this blog and in public speeches - that homosexuality is not at all the same as pedophilia any more than heterosexuality is. Period.

And I don't accept the slippery slope arguments some have made.

However, it is interesting that just today judges in The Netherlands ruled that an organization promoting the legalization of pedophilia can continue to exist.

Allan Loudell

billsmith
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:01pm
AllanLoudell: You have just demonstrated that you either share or condone the prejudice of teatime and MikeFromDelaware with the following...
"However, it is interesting that just today judges in The Netherlands ruled that an organization promoting the legalization of pedophilia can continue to exist."

Now they will use this, with your apparent sanction, as justification for their homophobia. This is not "interesting." It is not relevant. All this statement of yours does is encourage hatred of gays. At least teatime and MikeFromDelaware are upfront in their prejudice. You stay in the closet and feed bigotry behind a mask of "objectivity."

Relax? I take this issue personally because it is very personal to me. I resent the suggestion that I should relax about something that affects me deeply. Are there any other issues you think people should be relaxed about?

EarlGrey
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:16pm
I would imagine the next logical group to assert "marriage equality" would be polygamists...not child brides.

billsmith...are you old enough to remember when homosexuality was considered to be a mental disorder? (it wasn't that long ago) It's not that huge of a jump to go from gay marriage, to poly marriage, to child brides, if you look long term...like in ten years or so. Many countries (and religions) consider this to be the norm so why (as we continue to embrace other cultural norms) would it not be possible in the not-so-distant future for our own country to "progressively" change in our stance on marriage?

teatime
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 1:08pm

Bill smith/mark rice needs to explain whether he supports marriages between adults and children?

If 'no,' why are you so bigoted against pedophiles?

EarlGrey
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 1:29pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/04/03/jeremy-irons-on-gay-marri_n_3009495.html

EarlGrey
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 1:34pm
"Meanwhile, a bipartisan group of Pennsylvania lawmakers and law-enforcement officers were proposing measures to add a mandatory, two-year prison term on anyone found to possess an illegal weapon -- but ONLY in Philly."

Maybe Illinois should follow the example of Pennsylvania...pinpoint the laws to where the violent deaths with illegal guns are actually taking place...Chicago and Philly (not the rest of the state).

teatime
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 2:14pm

Nice article, Earl Grey.

As Jeremy Irons pointed out, gay marriage could be a first step towards fathers marrying their own sons. This is filthy immoral behavior in an amoral society.


billsmith
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 3:31pm
ANOTHER DEFEAT FOR SEXUAL REPRESSIVES....

"(Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday ordered the Food and Drug Administration to make "morning-after" emergency contraception pills available without a prescription to all girls of reproductive age and criticized the Obama administration for interfering with the process for political purposes."

Today Plan B for all. Tomorrow insurance covers Plan B for all.

Read it and weep.

EarlGrey: Why not polygamy? If that's what three or more people want to do, how is that the government's business or anybody else's? You all on the right are the ones who keep talking about liberty and freedom.

It was 50 years ago - not a decade ago - that homosexuality was considered a "mental disorder." Lots of things used to be considered "mental disorders."

teatime: Your obsession with pedophilia suggests you are really fighting temptation in this area. Your obsession with pedophilia and religion suggests an early experience with a member of the clergy.

EarlGrey
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 3:45pm
"Are you following the North Korean crisis? Do you consider war virtually unthinkable, despite the bellicose rhetoric from Pyongyang?"

Yes I am following the North Korean crisis...what would happen if NK releases an EMP over Hawaii?...all electronics will fry. In this age of technology what in our military realistically would function without electricity/computers? NK could re-create Pearl Harbor with one EMP blast.

EarlGrey
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 3:54pm
"EarlGrey: Why not polygamy? If that's what three or more people want to do, how is that the government's business or anybody else's? You all on the right are the ones who keep talking about liberty and freedom."

bill: you prove my point...if polygamy is considered "norm" to society..we continue to "progress" toward accepting many other relationships currently banned and considered "immoral". Currently, most consider transgenders to be non-norm...but that view is already changing. So, for once, I agree with teatime on the slippery-slope of progressive moral views of our society.


And yes, we on the Right side of the politcal spectrum want freedom FROM government...less government intervention into our lives; you want more government permissions.

billsmith
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:18pm
EarlGrey... You people on the right like to quote the Bible. The Bible approves and sanctions polygamy.

You say you want more freedom from government, yet you keep demanding that government regulates what happens in people's bedrooms. You only want freedom for what you want. You keep using the word "normal." Def: Of the standard or common type. So, no freedom to be different. Government-imposed conformity. I don't see much difference between what you want and North Korea.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:35pm
Billsmith: you said above, "At least teatime and MikeFromDelaware are upfront in their prejudice."

So because I'm not in agreement with something that you and the GLBT community value that makes me prejudiced against the GLBT folks? Then you are either illiterate or an idiot. I've posted thoughtful posts explaining in much detail why I have the view I have. None of those posts had any hatred towards the GLBT folks,all were very analytical in their approach. So where do you get off saying I'm prejudiced against those folks?

I've studied this issue for a number of years, because I do know a number of folks who are gay/lesbians that I think very highly of and value them as friends and relatives. Being concerned for their souls and salvation I have hoped there was a loop hole to be found in the scriptures, but can not find one [I even know of pastors who share your view (of pro-homosexuality), but have admitted to me that the scriptures do NOT back their view]. God's word is God's word. This kind of non-sense you spew is why we can't have an intelligent discussion on such a touchy issue here.

So on this topic, you and I will just have to agree to disagree. I respect you having your beliefs, and hope that you'd grant me the same courtesy.

billsmith
Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:28pm
MikeFromDelaware: You probably will misunderstand what I am about to say. I do not respect belief, any belief. I respect commitment. I respect conclusions based on evidence and logic.

I also do not respect scripture, except as literature and folklore. Do you expect women to keep silent and slaves to obey their masters, as well?

Prejudice: Latin. Prejudgement. If you have a judgement about who people are, you have a judgement about them. You have prejudged gays. You have declared them abnormal. You have declared them wrong.

You say you believe in a loving god. Why would a loving god make people gay, only to require them to spend a lifetime in self-denial (or an eternity in torment)?

EarlGrey
Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:04am
bill: please tell me when i have ever said i want the government to approve what goes on in one's bedroom?i may personally disagree about homosexuals and polygamists beliefs, but on the topic of government involvement have simply stated that the government should not force anyone to perform a marriage ceremony that goes against their religious beliefs. marriage is a ceremony given to man/woman from God and illustrates our relationship with God and the church...it is sacred and not a right given by the government. i don't personally think that homosexuality is right but neither do i think porn, adultery or other various life choices are right...yet i have friends who fit into several of these areas and though i don't agree with their choices they also aren't Christians and thereby live by a different code for their lives. i don't expect non-Christians to live as i do but i also don't want the govt telling me what my church must believe. as i understand it, the first amendment of our constitution protects the church's freedom of religion (including marriage).

if commitment (and neither God nor religion) is what you respect then a civil union with equal tax, legal and social status in the eyes of the state should suffice and marriage by the church left intact.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:13am
Billsmith: Man's wisdom is foolishness to God. I think we've beat this dead horse to a bloody pulp.

Bottomline, you and I approach life from very different perspectives. So that does make discussing some of this stuff a tad bit difficult as there is no common reference point. So the best we can do in the end is to just agree to disagree. It was an interesting discussion, thank you.

billsmith
Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:52am
EarlGrey: No one is suggesting that anyone be forced to do anything. Churches won't be forced to perform gay marriages. Just as anti-discrimination laws don't force churches to ordain women.

Whatever marriage is to a religious movement, it is also a civil contract. As a civil contract, it is given by the government. That's why you need a license from the government, even if you get married in church. The government also gives married people tax breaks and other benefits, the government - not the church. The Catholic Church does not recognize civil marriages and it does not allow divorced people to re-marry in the church. No one has tried to force them to change their practices on marriage. No one will try to force them to change anything if gays get married at city hall.

MikeFromDelaware: You refuse to get it. I don't care what you "believe." I don't care what you think about gays or marriage. But you are trying to force - yes, force - your beliefs and your ideas on people who don't share them. You want to talk about a "slippery slope." If churches and their followers can dictate laws and policies on marriage, then they can bring back anti-sodomy laws, anti-miscegenation laws, blue laws, prohibition, make church attendance mandatory, and ultimately make heresy a crime again. Basically, what you want to do differs from persecution of heretics only in degree, not in kind. You want to force people to think as you think, and do as you think they should do. You say you think that way because of the Bible. Wherever your "beliefs" come from, you are forcing them on people who don't share them.

Use religion to live a better life yourself. Let god deal with sinners. Don't worry about any specks gays might have in their eyes.

You keep trying to sell your religion here but you presume to tell me and others when to stop talking. Where do you get off? Just shows how intolerant you are. Just shows how hypocritical you are demanding respect for your opinions when you have no respect for anything but your opinions.

JimH
Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:06am
Again, Mark Rice is taking away my enjoyment of this blog.

mrpizza
Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:15pm
Could it be that Mark Rice and Bill Smith really are two people who in fact know each other in a way they don't want the rest of us to know about? Perhaps it's THEIR lifestyle that's being debated here?

billsmith
Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:44pm
mrpizza: Your comment makes your homophobia very apparent. Don't worry. I could never be interested in someone like you.

mrpizza
Sun, Apr 7, 2013 12:57am
billsmith: Better a homophobe than a homosexual!

mrpizza
Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:11am
JimH: Sorry, but have to disagree with you about Mark Rice. I just LOVE to jerk his chain!

billsmith
Sun, Apr 7, 2013 11:39am
mrpizza: You are deeply disturbed. Therapy probably won't help. I wonder if the firms which advertise on this station will do if they see the kind of people they reach by spending money here. You sit in darkness and use your computer to troll message boards and spread hate. People like you can never control yourselves. You will say the wrong thing to the wrong person and the wrong time.

MikeFromDelaware: Now you see the kind of people you associate yourself with. What would Jesus do? Hint: He would not talk about human imperfection and second chances.

mrpizza
Sun, Apr 7, 2013 12:27pm
Hey Everybody! The above post is PROOF POSITIVE that Bill Smith and Mark Rice are one in the same!

Finally. CONFIRMED!

billsmith
Sun, Apr 7, 2013 3:27pm
mrpizza also has a list of 252 card-carrying communists working in the state department.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:16pm
Mrpizza: What are you doing man?

Disagree with Billsmith, but don't cross the line and insult him and degrade him as a person. You may not agree with his beliefs and possibly his "lifestyle" if what you imply is correct, but he's just as entitled to his beliefs AND to live his life as he pleases, just as you and I are to ours.

I understand, we all have our days of maybe saying stuff we really shouldn't. Today is your day. Mine will probably be tomorrow. But even so, that still doesn't make it right. Christ calls us to something better. As I'm pointing this out to you, my brother in Christ, I've got most of those fingers pointing back at me, so I'm also saying this to myself too. Sometimes in the heat of a "battle" [aka an online discussion] its easy to get really worked up and then say something you'd not say IF you had your wits about you.

I have to ask this, IF Billsmith is a homosexual, so what? Jesus went to the cross for the homosexual too, just as he did for you and me.

I take Billsmith at his word that he's not MarkRice, and even IF he is, so what? Why make an issue of it. Each of us here, other than Allan, use an online name, who cares? If next week Billsmith decides to call himself Osgood B. Featherwinkle III, who cares? I'll give him points for being creative.

Its one thing to disagree with each other, its something else when any of us [myself especially as I can get a sharp tongue quite easily] get disagreeable and sink into insulting shots.

You make many greats points in presenting your views, don't allow an easy "shot" ruin your well thought out responses. Feel free to remind me of this when I next put my foot in my mouth, because its only a matter of time before I'll open my mouth so I can change feet.

Better to not give a reply than cross the line. Again feel free to remind me when I do that same thing.

mrpizza
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 3:09am
billsmith: I don't have time to troll message boards as you suppose. I've been busy trolling the streets of Chester delivering pizzas and other unhealthy goodies.

Allan Loudell
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 5:48am
Gentlemen:

I fear the name-calling and vitriolic exchanges on this blog (usually on the same subjects) have become really tiresome, and indeed probably discourage others from reading and commenting.

I brought up tons of stuff above, but I'm afraid this discussion degenerated into the usual religious, anti-religious warfare on the same tired subject.

Allan Loudell

billsmith
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 7:27am
AllanLoudell: It may be a tired subject to you. It is a vital subject to a significant portion of the population. Beyond that it is a major civil rights issue.

This discussion has revealed the underlying hatred and prejudice of those who oppose gay marriage and gay equality.

And it was you who came here an encouraged those who equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

Are you uncomfortable with subjects that touch people deeply and which people feel passionate about? Have you no feelings for gays forced to always be secretive and on guard, who are bullied in schools and beaten on the streets and shamed by various pietists?

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 10:18am
I found this commentary by Rev. Dr. George O. Woods the Superintendent of the Assembly of God in my devotional reading this morning to be useful and in some way, answered prayer for me in dealing with some of the thorny issues the church and its people face today. I'm taking his words to heart and hope his words will bless and encourage all here, even if you're not a Christian as the principles can be applied to anyone. Enjoy.

Draining Your Tank by Pleasing People Early in my ministry, I had to deal with people who were not content with my leadership. In talking with an older pastor about these challenges, he offered a priceless bit of advice that just may save you as much grief in ministry as it did me:

George, you can waste an awful lot of time trying to make unhappy people happy. Sooner or later, they will go back to their original state, and they will be unhappy again. In the end, you can make some happy people unhappy for a while, but they will go back to their original state too. Don’t waste your time trying to make unhappy people happy.

Please God with How You Please People
There are, unfortunately, some people you just can’t satisfy. Their predominant personality trait is discontentment. They will be unhappy with some aspect of anything you do in the church. And the more you cater to their demands, the less effectively you will be able to lead your church into the life God envisions for it.

Even if you can’t please everybody all the time, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make the effort. Paul was clear:

•“Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification” (Romans 14:19).
•“Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace” (Ephesians 4:3).
The mandate is there, and we ought to try. While I attempt to be pleasant and accommodating and “give the reason for the hope” that we have (1 Peter 3:15), there comes a point where I have to move on down the road and recognize that some level of opposition will always follow along.

Leave Bad Enough Alone
From a pastoral perspective, it’s important to realize this: Many of the emotionally needy and consistently unhappy people you give time to are the very ones who will leave the church at some point anyway. For the health of your church, it is vital that you pour the majority of your time into the larger portion of your flock, putting Ephesians 4:11–12 into practice—equipping people for ministry. Your calling and responsibility is to focus on nurturing and building up those people who are productive for the Kingdom.

This has implications for how you spend your ministry time. For instance, I limited the hours I spent in counseling—not because I didn’t care about people on a personal level—because I don’t have training or a gift in counseling and because my biblical sense told me that spending an excessive amount of my time in pastoral counseling would take me away from fulfilling my Ephesians 4:11–12 responsibilities. On the other hand, I wanted the people who had problems to be able to deal with them in the context of the church, so I hired staff who could offer counsel and could work through their problems.

There’s an important difference between being at peace with all men in God’s sight and pleasing them according to their own carnal natures. It’s usually the carnal nature that keeps unhappy people unhappy. So stay on the positive, creative edge. Keep doing what God has called you to do. While He hasn’t called you to be insensitive or rude, He also hasn’t called you to pander to malcontents.

Are you getting dragged down or worn out by people who just won’t be satisfied with what you do for them?

Have you established boundaries beyond which you know God doesn’t want you to go in trying to help people who won’t be helped?
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All I can say is, YES, preach it pastor. Hope that is helpful to all here.

http://georgeowood.com/draining-your-tank-by-pleasing-people/

kavips
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 11:33am
I had to chuckle at Allan's comment because on Friday, I do remember my reaction to his open Friday post, because I specifically said... "Wow, this must be his longest, most varied post ever..."

I wondered when on Friday he could find the hours necessary to put it all together. I guessed it was between 3-6 am...

And the weekend's discussion revolved around only one topic. And became vitriolic at that...

I think it is indicative of human behavior, and in some ways provides some inspiration to in the future, be the best that is humanly possible.

What I did notice is that this really isn't a sad state of human existence. It is the normal. And that unless conscious effort is made to rise above this normal, this is what we get. I don't think criticism is warranted here for being vile and disrespectful. But here, I believe criticism should be levied for doing nothing to rise above it.

Often we complain that morals get in our way. For examples our morals kept us from being cutthroat in our job, and the promotions went to those less compassionate than us. Or our morals kept us from treating our ex's like dirt, and being magnanimous wound up costing us a pretty penny we could have kept for ourselves.. Or how our morals kept us from walking past a panhandler without giving in... our society constantly provides images of people rewarded because the were the least civil of the contestants...

Actually morals are our finest tribute as a species. For some reason, they are in our genes and get passed down from one generation through another, even through adoptions..
Thay are what separate us from predators and prey. They are what make us human.

If anyone of us had stood up over the weekend and called out what was taking place, all would have realized their errors and fallen in line. All are good people here. Alas I confess I didn't and therefore include myself as part of the problem.

But the lesson learned is that we are better than this. And that taking courage and the time to raise us all above vitriol and repetitive argument, is a noble endeavor...

I'm just saddened and apologize for not recognizing it earlier...

There were so many topics on this thread that should have been fleshed out....




EarlGrey
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 1:57pm
Mr. Loudell...For what it's worth I did attempt to comment on your question concerning NK. Does anyone else think the North Korean military could strike Hawaii (or some other vital US territory) and then (as we are busy using our military to help restore peace in an area with no infrastructre due to dependence on technology) the NK will easily attack SK and "unite" the two Koreas? South Korea is the perfect example of the "grass being greener on the other side of the fence" .

I guess the question is whether the new NK leader is just crazy, or crazy like a fox.

EarlGrey
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 1:59pm
"Are you following the North Korean crisis? Do you consider war virtually unthinkable, despite the bellicose rhetoric from Pyongyang?"

Yes I am following the North Korean crisis...what would happen if NK releases an EMP over Hawaii?...all electronics will fry. In this age of technology what in our military realistically would function without electricity/computers? NK could re-create Pearl Harbor with one EMP blast.

Allan Loudell
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 2:15pm
Yes, Mr. Grey---

I did see your comments on the Korean crisis. You were the exception to the rule.

Thanks.

One assumes the North Koreans could launch a projectile which could hit land, whether South Korea, Japan, or Guam (just to make a symbolic point).

North Korea's infrastructure is thought to be shoddy, but Pyongyang does possess air defenses.

It is assumed South Korea and the United States could counter a conventional attack, but at a significant price.

If North Korea decided to invade the South, Pyongyang would probably opt for a massive ground assault, backed by artillery. At 1.1 million, North Korea's military is the fourth largest on the planet (compared to South Korea's 690,000), although reliant on what is thought to be antiquated weaponry (compared to South Korea's modern weaponry).

The problem is the South Korean capital, Seoul's geographic position - a modern, first-world city so close to the Korean partition. With the incredible post-war expansion of South Korea, nearly half of South Korea's population lies within a three-minute flight of the demilitarized zone.

If there WERE a war, the damage and injuries inflicted in this populated area would far exceed the carnage from the substantially desert terrain of Iraq. The North Koreans also possess an arsenal of biological and chemical weapons.

But, paradoxically, if the United States were to amass troops and weapons in the region (beyond what the U.S. already has in South Korea, and at such bases as Okinawa), that might provoke the very war the Obama Administration was trying to avoid.

Allan Loudell

EarlGrey
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 2:31pm
An EMP device does not need to reach land...it explodes in the atmosphere and fries all electronics. How many modern countries would be able to survive this loss of communications, water supplies and everthing else dependent on technology? And how would this president react to an attack that doesn't appear as devastating as a full nuke attack...any prez would declare war over nukes but what about an EMP or cyber attack that completely disables without appearing violent? What is the proper reaction for such attacks?

EarlGrey
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 2:39pm
http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/apr/07/north-korea-missile-launch-cyberwar-fears

Allan Loudell
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 2:46pm
Mr. Grey---

That, indeed, is one of the scarier scenarios (also one of the reasons I believe we will rue the day we allowed our infrastructure to become so dependent on highly vulnerable technology).

That said, one doubts the North Koreans have that capability (yet). And the United States certainly would seek to dominate the skies early on.

The problem with cyber or EMP attacks of all kinds: Definitively confirming the source. If truth recedes in the fog of war, techno-warfare creates something even murkier.

It reminds me of the plot of the old James Bond movie where - if a nuclear device had gone off in West Germany - the precise source might have been lost, but it would still cause havoc.

Allan Loudell

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 3:07pm
In terms of this North Korea situation, it sure would be great for China to speak up and remind NK that their neighbor to the North [China] doesn't want nukes being fired towards any nation either and for the little man to cool his jets.

Good point about electronics getting fried, not to mention the nuclear fallout. Maybe the US could work together with China and have the Chinese do a stealth attack and take out the nuke facility [al la James Bond] and then kidnap the crazy man and bring him to China. That would solve everyone's problem. Then have both China and the US give real aid to the new government of NK to help them get on their feet and feed their people, etc. Seems like a win / win to me.

I can't believe the Chinese want that mad man having nukes either.

teatime
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 3:39pm

The Obama administration has failed to show leadership on the North Korean crisis.

With our countries at the brink of war, this would be the time for the administration to demonstrate true diplomacy. John Kerry should be in North Korea, speaking directly to the NK president. Heck, Obama himself should just pick up the phone to talk to the North Korean leadership.

It takes true leadership to demonstrate diplomacy and to negotiate a settlement peacefully. Any idiot (see W. Bush) could put his finger on the trigger and start a war. It's disconcerting that the Obama administration hasn't even opened a line of communications to the North Koreans.



billsmith
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 4:52pm
I admit to being surprised. The right is usually in situations like this waving the flag and calling for the administration to get tough. The right pressured Harry Truman into Korea in the first place, and LBJ into Viet Nam. Just wait for the Tea Caucus to start rattling sabres. Then the first affirmative-action president, who has repeated demonstrated he has no back-bone and is the world's worst poker player, will cave to the right, and people will die (although not the children of any tea party politicians or their rich backers).

And how do you know nothing is happening diplomatically? Maybe - probably - they don't want the media to know what's happening, so the media can (as usual) screw things up.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 6:04pm
I find the news item on WDEL about New Castle Airport getting commercial airline service via Frontier Airlines to be exciting.

I say, it's about time. It is crazy not to have commercial air travel from New Castle Airport. I remember using this airport back in the 70's when Allegany and Eastern still flew there. Much less hassle, even back then, than going to Philly.

Wilmington has the 11th busiest train-station in the nation and at least 5 shuttle companies listed in the phone-book taking air travelers to Philly and Balt. So if the airline flies to places Wilmingtonians go at reasonable hours for a reasonable price, there's no reason that New Castle Airport can not serve the Wilmington Metro and suburban Philly with air service.

This is great news. Hopefully it will be successful.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 6:10pm
One of the stories Allan posted was about the Grand Opera House cutting staff, etc., as the Delaware Symphony Orchestra has done.

This is the same thing: location, location, location. People who support the arts generally are suburbanites, at least here in the Wilmington area. Those folks don't want to go to downtown Wilmington, so it's not the lack of interest, but the fear of going to where the venue is.

The mayor can say Downtown is safe, but suburbanites don't believe him and until there's a theatre somewhere in the suburbs, cultural stuff like that here is going to continue to die.

The U of Del has a great theatre complex called the Roselle Center for the Arts, and they have no problem getting folks to their performances, so maybe the DSO can rent or lease the Roselle Center for their concerts. And the Grand can do the same on a trial basis to see if THAT makes a difference. I'll bet it does. Location, location, location.

billsmith
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 6:31pm
MikeFromDelaware: What are you whining about? People in South Jersey have to pay bridge-tolls to get to the airport. People in New Castle County are closer to PHL than people in most of Chester, Montgomery, and Bucks Counties. And you've got a straight shot on I-95 instead of those little two-lane back-roads like most of the Philly suburbs in Pennsylvania. Besides, are you a regular and frequent air traveler anyway?

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Apr 8, 2013 10:33pm
Billsmith: Whining? Really? Maybe you enjoy going to Philly, I don't, especially when we have a perfectly good airport here that is far more convenient. So maybe those folks from Salem County, the West Chester area, Del County, and Cecil County will take advantage of the flights soon to be here at New Castle. Why should Delaware be the only state without commercial air service? There's no reason New Castle Airport can't serve this area with some decent flights. Obviously there are people from here who do fly, because there's at least 5 shuttle companies who make their living shuttling Delawareans to and from the Philly airport.

I do prefer the train, but hey I might choose to fly some times if I didn't have to go to Philly either by shuttle [ an approx. additional $60. cost to the trip each way] or pay the parking to have my car there in Philly and pray its still there when I get back.

Gee I can't see why anyone from the Wilmington Metro would want to go to Philly to catch a plane, but feel free if it floats your boat, after all it still is a free country.

mrpizza
Tue, Apr 9, 2013 7:25am
I gotta chime in on this one. I think it's great we have air service from Delaware again. The problem for me is that when I fly it's usually out of the country and so none of the service here is going to any of my destinations, except maybe for Chicago Midway, which is a stretch since I travel to southern Illinois, closer to St. Louis.

For most of our international travel, we have to go either to JFK, Newark, or Dulles. We can go from Philly, but it usually costs twice as much. I'd love just to have the convenience of being able to fly internationally from PHL for the same price as these super-airports. But, they have to run a business, and in the end, it's the market that dictates.

billsmith
Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:29am
"Why should Delaware be the only state without commercial air service?"

MikeFromDelaware: That's the real issue for you. That's what your whining about.

Frontier is offering four destinations and two or three flights a WEEK to each, not even daily service. Whether he likes it or not, I am forced to agree with mrpizza.

You talk about air travel in the 70s. In the 70s air travel was regulated - and subsidized (your tax dollars at work). Airlines were assigned markets and they could not enter or leave markets without permission from those government bureaucrats you on the right hate so much.

You compare air travel to Amtrak. Wilmington gets rail traffic because it's in the Northeast Corridor. Even so, most of its boards are for SEPTA, not Amtrak - which means people going to Philly (I know you hate the thought of that).

People go to Philly because there are more flights, more destinations and cheaper fares (thanks to Southwest, which passed on Wilmington several years ago).

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Apr 9, 2013 2:39pm
No, there's even a WDEL story here that says AMTRAK is doing great business. AMTRAK doesn't track SEPTA ridership. Granted SEPTA trains make the Wilmington station even busier, but AMTRAK is an important part of our station's success.

http://www.wdel.com/story.php?id=50213

billsmith
Tue, Apr 9, 2013 6:44pm
MikeFromDelaware: No it doesn't say Amtrak is doing great business. It says ridership is up overall in the period from October to March - a whopping .09% Actually ridership was down in the Northeast Corridor during that period. The figures come from an Amtrak press release, not an independent audit and they say nothing about how these figures were calculated. Nor do they say about how much money they lost during this period.

In any case, ridership on the Northeast Corridor rail line has nothing to do with air travel and the need for passenger service less than 25 miles from a major air-hub. You are being ridiculous. ILG had passenger service. It was under utilized. Carriers who have tried it did not make money. They pulled out. Nothing has changed. One flight every other day cannot compete with flights an almost hourly basis. Besides for people who live North of Wilmington, PHL is as, if not, more convenient than ILG.

First you want the postal service to keep open a sorting center that is not needed, serves no practical purpose, and just drains money. Then you want air passenger service in an airport where it is not needed, serves no practical purpose, and just drains money. Meanwhile, you complain about government spending.

Here is what would be practical: Keep ILG in the computer reservation system and sell tickets to and from ILG. Open ticket-counters, baggage handling, and security at ILG. Go to New Castle, check in, and clear security. Then take a connecting "flight" to PHL. Only your connecting "flight" is a bus. The bus takes you right to the gate area for your flight and you make your connection. Your baggage is transferred from the bus to the plane the same way baggage is transferred for connecting flights. When you return, you reverse the process and go back to ILG, claim your baggage and go to your car. This is already done in a number of smaller cities that can't sustain passenger air service and it works pretty well. It adds little or nothing to total travel time.

mrpizza
Tue, Apr 9, 2013 7:45pm
EarlGrey: I also agree with the Pennsylvania idea to pass the laws where the violence is actually happening. I'm from Kinmundy, Illinois, population 800, and the last murder there was in 1935, which was a domestic violence incident. Kinmundy is also 210 miles south of Chicago and 75 miles northeast of St. Louis, making it far removed from any big-city influences.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:41pm
Billsmith: A better solution would be using a large helicopter [one of those twin rotor types or the Osprey] to shuttle folks from New Castle (ILG) to PHL. That would be far faster than a bus that gets to sit in the same traffic tie ups as the automobiles. Also it would actually be an attraction to fly from New Castle as many folks might just fly from there for the helo ride.

billsmith
Wed, Apr 10, 2013 5:15am
MikeFromDelaware: Maybe for first and business-class passengers. Helicopters are an expensive way to fly people. There's also the issue of getting people to their gates when the chopper lands. A bus can stop at each concourse. You'd have to land the chopper and transfer people to shuttle buses or vans. Even if one airline like the merged USAir-American operates the shuttles, they still have flights in multiple concourses. Helicopter flights can be subject to delays, too.

Bottom line: Two or three times a week to four cities can't compete with every hour or two to every major city. Frontier has a financially-troubled history and has entered and left markets before. They have had trouble competing at major airports, so they are trying alternative fields. The approach has been tried before and it did work for People's Express and Southwest. When they became successful, one merged and both ended up "upgrading" to major airports. This may not be the best time to try something like this with the sequester threatening to shut down control towers at less busy airports.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Apr 10, 2013 8:21am
Billsmith: I was talking to someone from the Del Nat Guard during the past week and he told me that the New Castle tower isn't one of those on the list to be closed.

Obviously none of the airlines that serve Philly are interested in running shuttle buses between New Castle Airport and Philly or they'd have already done it.

Even so, we'll just have agree to disagree on this, but there is no reason that Wilmington can't have some airline service here. So what, if it's two or three times a week to five cities [Denver, Tampa, Orlando, Chicago-Midway airport, and Houston]? It's a way of providing some service to some great places and maybe if it "takes off" [I know bad pun] they might add days of service and eventually more cities.

This is sort of the opposite of what is the reality in Atlanta where they have great airline service and only two trains a day, one in the morning going west, and one in the evening going north.



billsmith
Wed, Apr 10, 2013 11:26am
MikeFromDelaware: Train travel is only practical as a means of transportation in densely-populated corridors - two or more big cities located relatively close to each other. Long-distance train travel is like cruise ships; more entertainment than transportation. Amtrak makes money on the Northeast Corridor. But notice how much more expensive Amtrak is than bus service. The difference is not as dramatic in Wilmington as in other Northeast Corridor cities which have low-cost, bus-services like Megabus and Bolt (and even lower cost Chinatown buses). If you take SEPTA and NJ Transit trains to New York, the cost is also a lot less than Amtrak. A big part of the reason Amtrak is so expensive is the Northeast Corridor subsidizes long-distance train travel. On top of that, the government subsidizes long-distance train travel. There is no reason for Atlanta to have any trains at all.

And there's no reason - no business or economic reason - for Wilmington to have passenger air service. Unless you want to betray your conservative principles and have the government subsidize it.

And it won't "take off" unless New Castle has competitive service - in frequency of flights, in destinations served, in price. Don't forget, airlines make money on business travel - not on trips to grandma or Disney World. The big banks and chemical companies in Delaware (like all major corporations) have travel departments that make deals with major airlines - major airlines that fly to Philly. Business travelers have an investment in airline frequent-flyer programs and those airlines fly to Philly. So, don't count on Frontier "taking off."

And I mentioned, the airline shuttle-bus service only as a more practical option than passenger planes to New Castle. No, the airlines have little incentive to do it in New Castle because most people don't have a problem driving to PHL or taking one of those airport vans. It might be different if PHL were on the OTHER side of Philadelphia or if an Interstate highway didn't run directly between Wilmington and the airport. But as things stand, PHL is almost as convenient to Wilmington as to Philadelphia itself. Crossing a state-line is not an issue to most people.


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