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Let's leave this column for comments on stories OTHER than the Boston story.

Haven't had the time to do my normal compilation but I know regular commenters have no shortage of stories and topics provoking interest and debate...

Posted at 1:52pm on April 19, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:19pm
I don't have a comment about the Boston bombings, but I do have my top 5 gripes of the media coverage:

5. Stick to the 24-hour news cycle and don't go wall-to-wall with coverage. It's dreadfully dull hearing the same speculative reporting regurgitated for four straight days.

4. It's "Chechan", not "Chechnyan."

3. Stop using unidentified sources to try and "scoop" the rest of the media. CNN had a very embarassing incident where it reported the bombing suspect was in custody--and the network had to retract that statement a few hours later.

2. The bombing story is NOT on the level of Hurricane Sandy, so don't give it wall-to-wall coverage. While tragic, the bombing story only affected a few hundred people at the Marathon finish line, NOT the way the hurricane affected millions of people.

1. Again, don't oversaturate the airways with the same information regurgitated time and again.

Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:00pm
I'm sure the next big debate (now that gun control has fizzled) will be immigration.
I wonder how the immigration conversation will be affected by the citizenship of Suspect 1 & 2 and the continuing visa/citizenship of the young Saudi eyewitness.

OK, that topic ended up back in Boston...so how about the topic of our 4th Amendment rights and how they are being ignored?

"The controversial Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) just passed the U.S. House, and will now head to the upper Senate chamber for further deliberation.

CISPA will allow private sector firms to search personal and sensitive user data of ordinary U.S. residents to identify "threat information," which can then be shared with other opt-in firms and the U.S. government — without the need for a court-ordered warrant.
This means a company like Facebook, Twitter, Google, or any other technology or telecoms company, including your cell service provider, would be legally able to hand over vast amounts of data to the U.S. government and its law enforcement — for whatever purpose it deems necessary — and face no legal reprisals.
The key provision of CISPA is that it allows government entities to acquire your data without a warrant, should a private company holding your data hand it over.

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:01pm
"Again, don't over-saturate the airways with the same information regurgitated time and again."

Amen, teatime. If they did that, though, they'd have to stop talking or talk about something else. If they can't compete on the quality of information (and they don't), they can only compete on going longer than the competition.

Right-wing talk show hosts have been endorsing buying gold. Now the price of gold is dropping. How come that news is being censored, ignored and blacked out?

Also the prosecution has rested in the Gosnell murder trial. The right-wing media have been ignoring the trial the last couple of day, especially Fox, which has covered it less than anybody else.

The ACLU has now filed a second lawsuit against that homophobic florist in Seattle who refused to provide flowers for the wedding of two regular (gay) customers. She sold them flowers to live together but not for their wedding?

Meanwhile, a woman has died in Ireland after being denied an abortion. It's legal there but the hospital refused to do it saying "this is a Catholic country." That's in addition to all those girls and women forced into virtual slavery in church-run Magdalene Homes. And priests abusing boys.

Obama seems to have appointed himself mourner-in-chief. He found his groove after Sandy, now he's showing up for all the big funerals and disasters. He's also reverting to the Black-church-style of preaching (which he learned from the Rev. Wright, before he threw the guy under a bus). Four years is really a long time to learn a new job. It shouldn't have taken him this long to see how "I feel your pain" worked so well for Slick Willy.

Dubya wants Jeb to run next time. Jeez. Just what we need. Yet another Bush. All that family is capable of doing is drinking. Dubya's daughter is horrible on the Today Show (if anybody is still watching).

Somebody in the audience the other night asked David Letterman if he would bring his show to visit Delaware. Apparently, he won't.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:41pm
Letterman won't come to Delaware, too small, no CBS-TV affilitate here [ actually NO TV here at all - he'd probably to go Philly - 6th largest TV market and a CBS affiliate, same with Balt and Wash DC all large TV markets with CBS-TV affilates]. He's probably not go to Salisbury, MD, too small market # 150 even though they do have a CBS-TV affiliate.

Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:44pm
MikeFromDelaware: Letterman hasn't taken the show on the road except for one trip to LA, shortly after he moved to CBS. If he did take the show on the road, he needs a large enough venue. He could not do the show from any affiliate's studios. There are several theaters or concert halls in the Wilmington area that could host the show. Beyond that, all he needs is a satellite link. The real problem taking the show outside New York or LA is the availability of guests. In case you've forgotten, Wilmington is part of the Philly TV coverage area. The Philly stations do news remotes from Wilmington all the time. Two stations have studio facilities in Wilmington. In any case, having a CBS affiliate in town doesn't matter. They wouldn't be involved in any case, even if he did the show from Philly.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:20pm
Billsmith: My point is Wilmington isn't an important market to CBS-TV or to Letterman's success. He'd go to Philly before coming to Wilmington, satellite link or not.

Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:53pm
MikeFromDelaware: Your point is uninformed and ridiculous. Wilmington is part of the Philadelphia TV area. People in Wilmington watch Philly TV and listen to Philly radio. They go to work in or around Philly by car or on a SEPTA train (not a DelDOT train). They cheer for Philly sports teams. And when they take a vacation, they even fly out of the Philly airport. The US Census Bureau considers New Castle County part of the Philadelphia Statistical Metropolitan Area. Wilmington is classified as an urban suburb of Philadelphia, like Camden or Trenton. Wilmington isn't a market to CBS at all; it's part of Philadelphia. What is this anti-Philly obsession you have?

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 19, 2013 10:32pm
Billsmith: Wilmington is also its own Metropolitan area as per the Census Bureau that includes New Castle County DE, Salem County NJ, and Cecil County MD. Given how little attention the Philly TV stations pay to Wilmington given we're maybe 10% of their total market, is why I said CBS-TV or Letterman wouldn't consider Wilmington a place to bring their show IF it ever went on the road.

Wilmington's TV market was merged with Philly's back in the 1950's when it became apparent Wilmington was not going to have any real presence in the Television world. NOTE that Wilmington does have a separate radio market.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 12:28am
People still watch TV? Haven't they heard of smart phones?

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:02am
I want to give a perspective on the "slippery slope" argument on such issues as gay marriage, gun control, and government health care. Allan has often cited Denmark as a place that's passed such legislation and has not resulted in the feared tyranny. I don't intend this as a criticism but I think there are a couple of things not factored in here.

First of all, Denmark, at least in land mass, is about the same size as Delaware and Maryland combined, so to compare it to the entire U.S. is apples and oranges.

The other factor is that the U.S. has more lawyers than the rest of the world combined. So for example, even if Congress or state legislatures insert clauses in their gay marriage laws to protect churches, it will be meaningless once the ACLU as well as typical run-of-the-mill ambulance chasers start filing their lawsuits. Unlike other parts of the world, the U.S. has a lawsuit culture, based much on the same class warfare as the "soak the rich" mentality.
So the slippery slope is more or less guaranteed once these protections are dismantled by the court system.

In conclusion, I'd really like to be wrong about this, but I know I'm not. I don't think anybody, at least on this forum, can say I didn't warn them.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:25am
Some other bits of news... In the General Assembly is a bill by NRA leader Dan Short to make getting on the ballot more difficult .


If you notice it requires a $69 background check by the State Police in order to apply for the ballot, but... because not allowing anyone to be on a ballot is illegal, that person can still be on that ballot anyways... So what's the point?

Speculation is... that the GOP under their current chief Sigler is soooooo poor, they want the opposing party's candidate who files, to do their background work for them.

In other news, after only a very few years, the transparencies in the STOCK Act are being rolled back. Although this article makes it sound like a travesty, if you read closely, it appears that the efforts required to be above board, were too hard for even the most arduous of clean public servants to manage anything else in his duties as a public official, but fill the letter of the law...


HB35 was passed one day after a similar bill lost in DC. The one republican blog downstate is calling for Sen. Lopez to resign... Interestingly, even on that strictly conservative viewed publication, the majority are defending Ernie and telling the Conservatives to get out of town before they completely ruin the Republican Party of Delaware....

I don't know if anyone here but Allan still remembers Dick Cathcart, a good Republican in the General Assembly, but Ernie Lopez strikes me as being what the Republican Party could use to regain the good will that disappeared when Dick left...


The right wing noise machine is drumming up Chechen race hatred, but I remembered an article long ago and found it here, giving the other perspective.... In war, there is a reason the enemy fights back....


And in Texas a prosecutor was booked for in 1987 withholding evidence that would have cleared a man, who went on and then spent 25 years in jail, all the while, the prosecutor knew the man was completely innocent.... fortunately he was not executed. This is why the death penalty needs to be exterminated, and not the innocent people prosecutors put there just to be able to say they are tough prosecutors when they run on Republican tickets for an office...


And in West, Texas, the death toll is 14, but did you know two schools were leveled, as was a nursing home, because under libertarian Texas laws, there are no building codes?
Senator Cronyn broke with the official news and stated 60 people were still unaccounted for. Many speculate the news focused on terrorism which killed 3, and is totally ignoring the corporate negligence story, similar to those mine disasters, where corporate safety shortcuts were gotten rid of to save a nickel on a piece of pipe... After all, anyone who has ever worked for a corporation, knows that profits come first, people come last. It is the opposite in privately owned businesses.


And as expected.... Wayne LaPierre came forth with the pronouncement that if citizens in Boston all had pressure cooker bombs, they'd be a lot safer....


And if you get on a plane and your seatmate is Joe Berti?
Get off immediately!


Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:50am
And a Bush heir renounced his lifetime NRA membership... saying the NRA has become the "slut" of gun manufactures, not the champion of gun-owners it once was...


Sat, Apr 20, 2013 8:05am
MikeFromDelaware: Have you checked the Census Bureau website? I know I come down on you but you really should take the trouble to know what you are talking about.

Wilmington, DE (as opposed to Wilmington, NC or Wilmington, OH) is not a Metropolitan Statistical Area. It is part of the Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area. I know you may not appreciate Wilmington having the same status as Camden.

Partial credit: Wilmington was listed as a MSA in 1981, according to historical lists on the Census Bureau website but was dropped prior to 1983.

Although Wilmington may be considered a separate radio market by a private ratings service, published figures show almost three out of four listeners on average are listening to Philly stations.

Google is a wonderful thing. Check it out sometime.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 8:20am
"I'd really like to be wrong about this, but I know I'm not."

mrpizza: Good news: You're wrong. But since you KNOW, your mind is closed.

If you are really so good at predicting the future - and use of the "slippery slope" presumes that you are - you should not be wasting time here or wasting your time delivering pizza. You should be playing the stock market. The "slippery slope" assumes that you can accurately predict a final outcome following an event but also the exact path and all the middle steps between the initial event and the final outcome. "Slippery slope" is also a fallacy because it assumes, without proof, a cause-and-effect relationship between event, middle steps and final outcome.

I enjoy speculative fiction or science fiction. It's written by writers who make their living making predictions. They are pretty good about predicting future technologies. They are pretty bad about predicting social change. Too complex. Too many variables. And all those people with free will. Of course, thanks to random chance, predictions are right sometimes. Like a broken clock is right twice a day.

But you KNOW what will happen.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." - Socrates

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 9:30am
billsmith: Perhaps you're right, but how do you reconcile the fact that lawyers and judges always have a way to muddy or even get rid of laws they don't like? It's as if nothing legislatures pass means anything. I'm basing my predictions on what I've seen over the past 40 years. America has become a sue-happy society.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 10:18am
"America has become a sue-happy society."

mrpizza: That is an accurate statement. It has.

However, lawyers and judges don't ALWAYS muddy or even get rid of laws. Given that the federal bench is dominated by conservatives, you may even approve of some of their decisions. It was courts that over-turned McCain-Feingold and restrictions on corporate campaign spending. And there's a good chance they'd also over-turn background checks and other restrictions on gun ownership, should those be passed into law. Like the media, courts seem to make everybody unhappy.

When abortion was legalized 40 years ago, nobody predicted the crime rate would start dropping a generation later. The world is full of unintended consequences, and "slippery slope" scenarios almost never include those.

If you say, this one event makes some outcome more likely, you may have a case. If you say it's inevitable, you can't know that. If you want to argue, that gay marriage might make legal polygamy more likely, you might be able to argue that because the same legal issues come into play. Although, I don't recall any "slippery slope" arguments being made when inter-racial marriage was legalized that miscegenation would lead to gay marriage.

But to say gay marriage is likely to lead to legal pedophilia doesn't hold up. The whole trend in law is toward greater protection of children and toward raising the age of consent. Gay marriage and polygamy are issues involving consenting adults. The law has become increasing restricted on the ability of underage teens to make responsible decisions. It's for this reason that those judges and lawyers find reasons not to hold under age defendants legally responsible for crimes.

Gay marriage will probably change things. Like a bird in china flapping its wings against the Great Wall may give rise to changed weather pattern. We don't know what the change will be and we don't know whether it will be good or bad.

You may think gay marriage and homosexual acts are immoral. OK. My point is that doesn't give you the right to impose your moral values on any one else. And I don't see any questionable predictions of what will/can/might happen as a result of giving you a reason to impose your values on others.

If want to worry about what will/can/might happen, you should worry about global warming.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 20, 2013 10:59am
Billsmith: I did go to the Census web site and it appears you are correct.

On one PDF file where they listed the metro areas from largest to smallest they had as the #4 largest metro Philly, which had three subsets: Camden, Philly, and Wilmington [that included NCC, Cecil, and Salem counties or the old metro as I remembered it].

NYC is #1, LA #2, Chicago #3 then Philly #4, #5 Dallas-Ft. Worth, #6 Miami, #7 Wash DC, #8 Houston, #9 Detroit, #10 Boston.

Apparently they are calling any area where the "largest" city is located a "metro" area now, as the smallest metro in the US is ranked #922 Andrews, TX pop. 13,004.

Dover DE is a metro ranked #295, but who'd have thunk that Seaford DE is a metro too ranked higher than Dover at # 238. So it would appear that Sussex County is the #2 county in Delaware for population 203,390 vs Kent Co with 167,626. NCC has 546,070 [not counting Cecil or Salem Co.]

Way more stats than most would have wanted, but there it is.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 20, 2013 11:08am
On this gay marriage issue: I don't believe heterosexual marriage is in any danger from gay/lesbians marrying. The state [Cesar] can do as it wishes.

As long as the state and the courts via the sue happy lawyers, etc, don't try to force churches, synagogues, and mosques to have to marry or ordain or participate in these activities and are free to preach from the Bible, etc, etc, then I don't care what the state does.

But Mrpizza does bring up one valid point. The sue happy nature and some of the crazy rulings by our courts do make folks like us to wonder, once gay/lesbian marriage is legal in America then how long will it be before the GLBT community uses their influence in DC to pressure and force churches, etc, to perform GLBT marriages or face discrimination charges.

I realize in the Delaware proposed law, churches are allowed to not participate, but will that be able to stand up to the courts when some "knucklehead" decides to try to force some church to go against its beliefs via the courts of our land. THAT for me is the issue. Otherwise, it isn't an issue for me as the state isn't holy, isn't trying to serve God, etc, etc, so it can do as it likes, as long as it leaves the churches alone to do as they believe.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 11:23am
MikeFromDelaware: The definitions of MSA go on and on for pages of fine print. My take away is it is essentially as "trading area" (my choice of words). If a population is tied together by where they live and work (commuting), where they shop, where they go for entertainment and (yes) media consumption, they are considered part of the same Metro area. Those patterns have changed (everywhere) since the decline of the traditional downtown as the urban core and development of so-called Edge Cities, clusters of major shopping centers, office parks and manufacturing parks, located around freeways and major highways and spread out for auto commuting. As a result, Metro areas are more spread out. And people drive further to work or shop.

You might find two books interesting: Edge Cities and The Nine Nations of North America. Both by Joel Garreau. Your library should have both or be able to get them.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 11:38am
mspizza and MikeFromDelaware: It's easier to trace paths in hindsight. Gay marriage would not have even been an issue had not the whole concept of marriage been watered-down and made into a matter of convenience. Over-turning anti-miscegenation laws may have been a small part of this, but the bigger part was making it easier to get married and easier to divorced.

Even churches played a part in this. The Roman Catholic Church once automatically excommunicated people who divorced and remarried. Now, it's not so difficult to find some loophole way after the fact, and get an annulment. King Edward VIII was forced to abdicate when he wanted to marry a (twice) divorced woman. When Prince Charles divorced this, was not a serious barrier to his inheriting the crown, nor is his current marriage to a divorced woman. The Anglican/Episcopal Church is a lot more open to divorce than it used to be. So are almost all churches. Churches have only token bans, if they have them at all. So, people worried about the sanctity of marriage should not have watered-down the entire concept of marriage.

However, there has been no change in direction or weakening in courts' willingness to allow religious institutions broad and liberal exemptions from equal opportunity and workers rights' laws, and regulations in other areas. As one example: A year-and-a-half ago, the Supreme Court upheld the right of Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod parochial school to fire a teacher after she made a complaint under the Workers with Disabilities Act. The church was being patently unfair and anybody else would have been breaking the law.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:45pm
Billsmith: I'll check out the library, both books sound interesting. Thanks!

I believe it was either you or Allan who mentioned that in Europe all marriages are done by the state, and those who want a church ceremony can also have a second ceremony at their church. That way, the church ceremony is totally independent of the state and purely a religious event. Might be the way to go here.

I know that Canada already allows gay/lesbian marriage; how has the Canadian system dealt with churches? Any pressure to force them to marry gays? Of course Canadians probably don't have as litigious system as us, which may make the difference.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:40pm
MikeFromDelaware: I listen to the CBC News and I have not heard this issue come up. Canada does not have an "establishment clause" and so Canadian church-operated schools and other institutions do receive government funding but also seem to have a greater degree of government oversight.

No establishment cuts both ways, I guess. On the one hand, Canadian courts have ruled local councils can open meetings with a prayer. On the other hand, evangelical schools are required to include evolution in the curriculum (Kids don't have believe it, but they have to know what it is). Canadian courts have gone further than US courts in not allowing parents to withhold transfusions or medical treatment from children. But many parts of Canada still keep businesses closed on Sundays.

In an interesting twist, before gay marriage was recognized, a court case argued that preventing gay marriage violated the rights of churches that wanted to perform and recognize them. Prior to same sex marriage being recognized by the Canada's federal government, largely Catholic Quebec moved to recognize it. The church establishment spoke out against it and then became quiet in the face of a public opinion backlash. Cardinal Jean Claude Turcotte, more recently mentioned as a candidate for Pope, was archbishop of Montreal at the time.

Currently some hearings are being held into the conduct of church-run schools for aboriginal (native) children. These schools were operated under government charters and with government funding. Some "First Nations" groups claim students were sent forcibly to these schools and were abused at them. In fairness, similar claims have been made about government run schools for Alaska Natives and various Indian schools in the lower 48.

Since you are a fan of talk radio, you might enjoy checking out some of the CBC's talk shows, such as "As It Happens" and "Day 6" as well as their major newscasts, "The World at 6"(fed live to each time zone) and "World Report".

As a rail fan, you might enjoy the viarail.ca website. The go to some pretty remote spots (like up to Hudson's Bay to see the polar bears) and the trip across the Canadian Rockies to Vancouver is supposed to one of the most scenic rail trips in the world.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:23pm
Talkin' 'bout Canada, eh?

It is so nice up there. I think the biggest impression as an American traveling North of the border, is one of vast inner peace. Just talking to natives anywhere across their wide territorial expanse, and you feel like they as well as you are on vacation. The worry and stress and strife of daily American life just seems missing up there.

I think it is because the knowledge that they have a social safety net to catch them if something goes wrong is a big part of it. They don't have to worry. At one point in the past they just chose to spread the net for everyone and share the cost and that was it. But here, the daily worries we have that shorten our lives, don't exist up there. They can then be free to worry about other things, like if that Grizzly is going to come through their window and eat them.

Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:00pm
kavips: Unfortunately, the revamped Conservative Party seems to be taking things in the opposite direction. Apparently, Canadians aren't so peaceful out on the Prairies.

Used to be the right in Canada called itself Progressive-Conservative and were to the left of most American liberals.

Not any more. And even the NDP (New Democratic Party) is trying to move to the center with the Liberal Party.

Even the Mounties are being hit with scandals.
And grizzlies come through windows not so far from here, too.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 20, 2013 8:19pm
Billsmith: Thanks for the head's up about the CBC Radio. I've sort of forgotten about them, but with the internet, sure I can listen again.

I used to listen to CBC Radio at night on 740 CBT from Toronto, as their massive signal would literally bury Chester's very low-powered 740 WVCH at night. Now it's a commercial Canadian station that I can still get at night as the CBC moved many of their affiliates from AM to FM.

Sun, Apr 21, 2013 6:19am
740 AM still comes in pretty well most nights. They now are "Zoomer Radio" and play 50s and 60s standards and oldies, stuff that hasn't been heard on local radio since 1290 died (actually they play more rock hits than 1290 did).

All the CBC Radio One shows are available as podcasts or you can download them manually. You can listen to CBC Toronto and other stations in a live audio stream but I've gotten in the habit of listening to saved podcast files in Windows Media Player. WMP has VSC (Variable Speech Compression). You can speed up playback without the chipmunk effect and listen at up to two times normal speed (I usually listen at 1.4 to 1.7 speed depending on content and sound quality). For some reason, I pay attention better and remember better at the higher speed.

Sun, Apr 21, 2013 6:38am
The media did again, gang. Some of you said we could have another Richard Jewell and it looks like we do. Not so bad this time but still...

The New York Times says somebody on the Internet thought a Brown University student in Providence, RI looked like one of the bombing suspects in pictures the FBI sent out. The rumor that this philosophy student was one of the bombers went viral. Soon, the media trucks with their dishes are parked outside his parents' house in Bryn Mawr, PA and people with microphones and cameras are pushing and shoving on the lawn. The guy's sister says she received 58 phone calls from media types between 3 a.m. and 4:11 a.m. Friday.

These media types harass people all hours of the day or night for no good reason and call it freedom-of-the-press. They never apologize. Never show any basic regard for anybody else. They just rant about "freedom of the press" and the "public's right to know" when they disrupt or ruin people's lives.

The other nice thing about Canada's lack of a First Amendment is the media aren't allowed to get away with all the bad behavior and prejudicial behavior they do here. No wonder the media are trusted as much as lawyers and used car salesmen.

Meanwhile, the NY Times says the Koch Brothers, the super-rich oil billionaires who bankroll the Tea Party, are about to make a move to buy the company that owns the Baltimore Sun, Allentown Morning Call, Chicago Tribune and LA Times (among others). Media ownership was part of the plan they laid out a few years ago to get control of the country. The Koch Brothers' father bankrolled the John Birch Society half a century ago, so this sort of thing runs in the family. If they do pull this off, at least we won't have to listen to right-wing media types like Jensen and Rush whining about the left-wing media (which is like the tobacco industry sponsoring no smoking programs).

Sun, Apr 21, 2013 10:24am
Obama should be impeached and removed from office. Better yet, he should be grabbed up and taken to The Hague and tried as a war criminal.

He claims to have taught law-school courses in constitutional law and took an oath to uphold the Constitution but continues to ignore it.

His latest: He is denying the "suspect" being held in Boston his Miranda rights. He claims a public-safety exemption. The guy is in a hospital, in critical condition, can't even speak. But Obama is claiming he's now - still - a threat to public safety.

Obama assassinates people, including US citizens, with his drones and his military hit squads.

He employs torture.

He holds people without trial.

As a Lutheran pastor once wrote in similar times...

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. "

Sun, Apr 21, 2013 1:18pm
This is a special for Mr. Pizza....


Mike from Delaware
Sun, Apr 21, 2013 5:10pm
I don't understand why - when the cops caught the guy - they didn't give him his Miranda rights then, BEFORE they turned him over to paramedics to be transported to the hospital?

Of course, the problem NOW might be that he's probably unconscious since his capture, as he's apparently in critical condition. However, the moment he improves and comes out of being in critical condition and possibly unconsciousness, the cops should be there to give him his Miranda BEFORE doing anything else.

Two reasons, one: He's entitled to know his Miranda rights [maybe he hasn't watched any police/detective shows like Law and Order on TV so he doesn't know about those rights]; two: IF the cops don't get this straightened out, when this case goes to court [most likely a civilian court as he, I believe, is a US citizen, not military] the case will probably get thrown out due to the poor handling of the Miranda, so he'll walk [seen that a million times on those same TV police / detective shows like Law and Order]. If he's guilty and walks due to the lack of a proper Miranda by the cops, then there will be a loud hew and cry heard across the nation.

I don't get the public-safety thing either. That, to my mind, implies that yes the cops screwed up and didn't give him the proper Miranda, and Obama's trying to find away around that screw up - the lack of a Miranda - so this alleged bomber doesn't walk.

If they are successful using this new maneuver, that means the cops could use this public-safety thing in other cases. THAT is a bad precedent. Who would have thought a DEM Prez would be the one to do something like that? This type of scheme sounds more like the stuff Bush/Cheney would try. Just goes to show that neither party is an honorable party and just another reason I'm an Independent.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Apr 21, 2013 5:22pm
I found this from CBS and it adds info that might clarify some of the issues.


Sun, Apr 21, 2013 10:57pm
This is strange. The autopsy on courthouse shooter Thomas Matusiewicz reveals he did have a brain tumor. That's what his widow claimed. But Beau Biden tried to keep the autopsy results secret, even from his family. Why didn't Beau want anyone to know about the tumor, even family? Wouldn't that information bring them a little comfort, knowing it was a brain tumor that made the guy go off and not just that he was a crazy person or a bad person?

Also interesting timing for this to come out now in light of the current gun debate.

Beau keeps acting like a spoiled, entitled son of the boss (SOB).

Sun, Apr 21, 2013 11:27pm
This is just an itch, but i think both Beau and The Governor have big plans for '16 and are trying now to mitigate or maximize either the negatives or positives as we approach "the build-up" phase.

Bottom line, is they are looking too far down range and not seeing what is going on in the present. Word of advice, gentlemen. Pay attention to now and get "today" right first; the future can take care of itself...

Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:39am
kavips: You're right. In fact, all politicians (enabled by the media) spend all their time running for the next office. Obama spent his entire career running for something other than the office he currently held. Two years in the Senate, and he hardly ever showed up because he was too busy running for president. Now that he hasn't anything to run for, he can finally pay some attention to the job.

The only thing Joe Biden should think about running for in 2016 is a seat on the condo board in Sun City. But what is really bad is all these political brats who think they are part of a dynasty. The local media have always given the Bidens a free pass. A little digging could uncover a major scandal and get somebody a Pulitzer but for some reason nobody wants to touch it.

Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:31am
Kavips: Thanks for the ride along the Russian highway. It's exactly as I remember it in Belarus! Truly an obstacle course.

Mon, Apr 22, 2013 7:50am
Wing-nuts like Psycho Jensen have been ignoring, censoring and blacking-out this...

The prosecution's case against Kermit Gosnell murder trial fell apart before they rested Thursday. Turns out the Chief Medical Examiner said on the stand he couldn't say whether any of the "babies" Gosnell is accused of murdering had been born alive. The medical examiner's office also had not filed birth or death certificates for any of the "babies" or fetuses, Gosnell is accused of murdering, which is required in any live birth. Gosnell might still face charges, such as violating Pennsylvania's rules for abortions, but this seems to blow homicide charges out of the water.

The anti-choice crowd who feel called on to tell people what sexual and reproductive choices they can make, and the politically-motivated DA who pandered to them, really jumped the gun on this one. Will Jensen offer a mea culpa? Probably not.

Heck, the right-wing talkers haven't even admitted that their endorsements of gold investments was really bad advice.

Mon, Apr 22, 2013 8:19am
bill: From the news stories I have read concerning the Gosnell case...the babies in question were stored in a freezer for a long period of time and there was no way to determine whether they were born dead or alive; however, multiple former employees have all backed up the charges of Gosnell murdering babies born live (some of these employees have themselves pleaded guilty in their participation of these murders).

And, you seem very concerned about gold...the reason the "right-wingers" buy gold is not for the investment value it is to have as a "safe haven". Just as one should have some extra bottled water, a few days supply of food and some cash on hand. BTW, right now is an excellent time to buy either gold or silver as prices are currently way down;)

Mon, Apr 22, 2013 9:29am
EarlGrey: I know that's the argument made in commercials for gold - usually in the form of an endorsement by a right-wing host. How is gold safe? It can decrease (greatly) in value. If somebody finds gold, the gold supply increases, and the price goes down. Gold can be stolen, lost or (for practical purposes) destroyed. Unless the entire economic system collapses completely, what's the point? Even in the context of total collapse, what are you going to do with gold? What will be available to buy with it? Will anybody be willing to accept it? And you have to trust those people advertising on right-wing talk radio and selling gold (maybe snake-oil on the side).

My grandfather never trusted banks. And right before FDR took the US off the gold standard (tying the US monetary supply to gold is considered a major cause of the Great Depression) he went out and got a bunch of Double Eagles and hid them. He died almost 40 years later and nobody ever knew where those coins are. I read a little while ago that somebody came across some gold coins and the Feds confiscated them.

Testimony, especially of ex-employees making deals to avoid jail time themselves, cannot be trusted. The Philly DA's office is notorious for railroading people and ruining lives to win cases and up its conviction rate. You may have heard the DA joke: A good DA can convict a guilty person; a great DA can convict an innocent one.

Besides if Gosnell were killing live-born babies, why keep the evidence frozen? Not getting rid of the evidence suggests Gosnell did not have a guilty mind (mens rea) or criminal intent.

Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:28am
The reason for gold/silver is the same concept as needing a fire extinguisher in one's home (just in case of an emergency).
I'm not saying that it's wise to invest tens of thousands in gold/silver but if over the next decade or so our paper dollars lose more of their value due to inflation, and other countries get away from the US dollar for trading, then the price for precious metals will go up...the reality is that neither silver nor gold change in value/price, instead it's the paper money losing it's buying power due to inflation and over-printing.

btw, if anyone does buy...buy local not from those "interweb dealers".

Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:41am
The coins confiscated by the feds were never actually released into circulation...someone took them home from the US Mint and put them in a safe.

Tue, Apr 23, 2013 11:42am
These idiots can believe whatever they want but they have no right to let their kids, too young to make up their own minds about anything, die.

It doesn't say how many other kids these despicable people have but those kids should be taken away from them and then both should be required to undergo involuntary sterilization. After that, make them work 80 hours a week as janitors in a children's hospital for 10 years.

2nd child of Pa. couple dies after only praying

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A Philadelphia couple — serving 10 years' probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor — has violated their probation now that another of their children has died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith-healing.

Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner said at a hearing they violated the most important condition of their probation: to seek medical care for their remaining children.

The couple is on probation after a jury convicted them of involuntary manslaughter in 2010 in the death of their 2-year-old son, Kent, from pneumonia.

Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:07pm
Hey, Psycho Jensen: Are the right-wing biased media now ignoring, blacking out, and/or censoring that the judge in Kermit Gosnell's trial has thrown out three murder counts and six counts on lesser charges after the prosecution rested?

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:07am
It's a bizarre world in which people who lament the murder of children born alive as well as late term abortions are called, "psycho," yet the testimony of witnesses to such crimes are laughingly dismissed by self-righteous observers. A baby crying on a shelf has no meaning in their world. As for the babies in the freezer... why were there babies in a freezer for a long period of time? Does this comply with PA law? What were Gosnell's intentions with the remains?

Yes, in today's world these are questions asked only by "psychos." Expect the billsmiths of the world to come after such questioners with pitchforks and torches.

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:13am
rjensen: Too bad. What you say happened is what the judge threw out. And you talk about "bias." Even Fox was ignoring this non-story.

Restore the fairness doctrine. Makes the Jensens and Rushes of the world run like garlic does to vampires.

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:17am
"The medical examiner could not prove the babies were alive when they were born but also could not prove they were dead. Toxicology reports showed no evidence of Digoxin, a heart medicine that slows the heart, in their systems. Digoxin is used to ensure the child is dead before the abortion procedure. Cross testified she only saw Gosnell use the drug twice, and even that did not work. She would tell Gosnell the baby's heartbeat slowed when, in fact, it remained normal.
Judge Jeoffrey Minehart threw out five counts of abuse of a corpse, regarding the baby feet found in jars all over the office. Gosnell claims he kept them for DNA purposes.
Four first-murder charges remain intact, including that of the baby reportedly born in a toilet. Cross said the baby was swimming in the bowl and trying to get out before it died. Gosnell is still charged with third-degree murder of 41-year-old patient Karnamaya Mongar and other related offenses."

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:52am
EarlGrey: No prima facie case. Reasonable doubt. Failure to meet the burden of proof. Words to live by. Words that protect us all.

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:17pm
Four first-murder charges remain intact, including that of the baby reportedly born in a toilet. Cross said the baby was swimming in the bowl and trying to get out before it died. Gosnell is still charged with third-degree murder of 41-year-old patient Karnamaya Mongar and other related offenses."

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:50pm
Rick Jensen said,"It's a bizarre world in which people who lament the murder of children born alive as well as late-term abortions are called, "psycho," yet the testimony of witnesses to such crimes are laughingly dismissed by self-righteous observers. A baby crying on a shelf has no meaning in their world. As for the babies in the freezer... why were there babies in a freezer for a long period of time? Does this comply with PA law? What were Gosnell's intentions with the remains?

Well said.

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 9:20am
"During the proceedings, Judge Jeffrey Minehart threw out three counts of murder and five counts of corpse abuse, as TheBlaze previously reported. On Wednesday, however, the justice had a change of heart, reinstating one of the murder charges that he had tossed just 24 hours before.

Citing an error in judgement, Minehart recanted axing the murder charge for “Baby C,” the child who was purportedly alive for 20 minutes before its spine was cut. Some of Gosnell’s own staff members have reported seeing the baby breathe and move before being killed, LifeNews.com reports.

The Atlantic adds the following: “Baby C was moving and breathing for 20 minutes before an assistant came in and cut the spinal cord, just the way she had seen Gosnell do it so many times. And these were not even the worst cases.”


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