Days after Swedish Royal Visit to Delaware... Sweden in flames
The 'eye-for-and-eye' attack by two men near London's military barracks is the European story dominating our media this week, but Sweden has seen four successive nights of rioting, and the unrest is spreading.
A plea for calm from Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt Tuesday fell on deaf ears.
The immediate catalyst: The fatal police shooting of a 69-year-old man - said to have threatened cops with a machete - in the Husby, a "suburban" district of Stockholm dominated by people of Middle-Eastern & African origin.
Protesters insist this shooting was not some isolated event, but follows police beatings and derogatory remarks from officers.
Yes, this is happening in idyllic, utopian Sweden, a nation that did comparatively well during the global financial crisis. Indeed, Sweden has enjoyed a reputation as one of the richest and most stable countries in the world... the country that brought us ABBA & Ace of Base, Volvo, and Ikea.
But, beneath the surface, things have been unraveling. Successive Swedish governments have been reducing the role of the state for a couple of decades, triggering the most rapid acceleration of inequality for any advanced OECD country.
Couple that with mounting youth unemployment, especially among young people from immigrant families.
Swedes are debating multiculturalism - whether immigrants are learning Swedish fast enough (Sound familiar?) - and basically whether Swedish society will ever be able to truly integrate these immigrants.
More fuel for the anti-immigration backlash in Europe...
Coverage of the story from Radio Sweden on line...
"Days after Swedish Royal Visit to Delaware... Sweden in flames"
Are you inferring a causal connection?
Thu, May 23, 2013 12:25pm
Bill, back in the 70's Britain's Lord De La Warr paid a visit to our fine state. Some commemoration of our being named for his ancestor. He left and went back home. Within a couple of weeks, he was run over by a train and, of course, killed.
There may indeed be a connection!
Thu, May 23, 2013 12:32pm
The 10th Lord De La Warr - William Herbrand Sackville - fell in front of a train in 1988. It was ruled a suicide. He was 66.
The late Marie Torre at my last station interviewed him.
However, he reflected Delaware's British heritage long after the establishment of the New Sweden colony.
Thu, May 23, 2013 8:34pm
Can we finally admit multiculturalism doesn't work? It divides rather than unifies.
America was great because we embraced immigrants who actually wanted to be Americans, wanted to know American history, wanted to work hard and wanted to learn English. That concept may sound old-fashioned and archaic but it worked. Our Greatest Generation is an example of what America was and could possibly be again.
Thu, May 23, 2013 9:00pm
Well, hells bells! We're having all the same inequality problems and we've been increasing, not decreasing government.
Could it be both countries need to promote individual responsibility? Also, both countries have been sticking up their middle finger and cursing God. Could that also be part of the problem? I know Kavips and Billsmith don't think so, but who cares about them anyway?
Thu, May 23, 2013 9:04pm
I just noticed the headline that the Wilmington fire chief will no longer carry a firearm. Talk about stupid. This guy just made himself a target for any criminal who'd like to set him up! Why did they tell the press they were carrying in the first place? Isn't it supposed to be CONCEALED carry?
Thu, May 23, 2013 9:32pm
Pizza: Just because it's called a "firearm" doesn't mean you can use it to put out fires."
What does the fire department do? They put out fires.
Remember that. There will be a test.
If there's a god and this god is going to get angry at anyone, it will be angry, hate-filled people who create an angry, hate-filled god in their own image. I stick up my middle finger and curse people like you and your god-concept. And the troubles in Sweden are not caused by any god but (to paraphrase PBS) by people like you.
Swedes are nice people. They join the ELCA. Germans join the Missouri Synod.
Thu, May 23, 2013 10:43pm
billsmith: Like I said earlier, who cares what you think anyway? Certainly not me!
Fri, May 24, 2013 4:06am
Pizza: I wouldn't expect you to. You only care what Rush thinks because he tells you what to think.
Rule of thumb: Places that deliver sell lousy pizza. Tom Monaghan is a right-wing religious nut who sold out to Mitt. Several organizations have organized boycotts for political reasons, as if crap pizza isn't reason enough.
What would somebody named Monaghan from the sticks in the middle of the country know about pizza any way?
Fri, May 24, 2013 6:23am
Hail Maha Rushy!
Fri, May 24, 2013 6:44am
Interesting thought. Unrest has always been inbred in our immigrant community. From 1890 thru the 1930's, the immigrant population now part of America was full of revolutionaries, anarchists, and proletarians. The fact that someone above was praising the American system of that time, shows how far we've come. We've forgotten completely about the bad, and only remember the good.
The point is: Though is it easy to blame Muslims as being different and horrible radicals, none of us would think twice about trusting our very lives to a foreign doctor who hailed from Saudi Arabia, Dubai, or Lebanon. We must remember these violent acts are only the tiniest part of the Muslim faith. Just as we were appalled at our nation's KKK, most Muslims look down on their violent brethren too.
After all. America had its riots too.
Fri, May 24, 2013 6:46am
That said, what is really important is that on Allan's list delineating Sweden's donations to the world... Swedish meatbals were left off.
Fri, May 24, 2013 7:39am
kavips: And the US has always had anti-immigrant and anti-minority hatred and persecution. Usually, the next-to-last group wants to slam the door on the most recent arrivals. It is funny you - of all people - would call protesters and organizers "revolutionaries, anarchists, and proletarians." It was phrases like that the elite robber-barons of the day used to justify turning national guards and state police on picketers trying to organize into unions. I would have thought you would be on the side of people who peacefully "assemble or petition the government for redress of grievances." Peacefully, at least until corporate and government goons show up and start shooting and swinging clubs.
Mike from Delaware
Fri, May 24, 2013 8:02am
Billsmith and Kavips: Speaking of the US back at the start of the 20th Century, I was listening online yesterday and will finish this morning, listening to a program about Henry Ford and his times on WBUR[NPR]Boston's On Point podcast. So far pretty interesting. Here's the link if you guys are interested.
Yes, earlier immigrants did have all the issues kavips mentioned above... But, at the end of the day, they were actually proud to be American citizens.
They didn't migrate from other parts of the world to live off the social programs of this country, and they didn't try to turn this country into the one from which they had just fled.
They came to America for freedom, and a better life for their families. "We must remember these violent acts are only the tiniest part of the Muslim faith. Just as we were appalled at our nation's KKK, most Muslims look down on their violent brethren too."
It's true that only a very small fraction of the Muslim faith community are radicalized Islamists who want to kill infidels... The problem is that most of today's terrorism seems to be done by people claiming Islam as their religion.
A closer good/bad ratio comparison can be found in the example of motorcyclists...99% are fine upstanding citizens who simply want to enjoy riding around town on two wheels... but 1%ers are violent gang members. Just as Hell’s Angels and Pagans are 1%ers of motorcycle culture, so too are radical Islamists the 1%ers of Islam.
So why not have law enforcement/FBI/DHS/IRS keep a careful watch over and arrest these violent 1%ers as they are caught breaking our laws?
Yes, our country is (and always has been) a Melting Pot…but if you continue to add small amounts of poison to the mix it will contaminate the entire Pot and destroy America.
Mike from Delaware
Fri, May 24, 2013 3:41pm
EarlGrey: Well said.
Fri, May 24, 2013 6:44pm
Earl: When they got here, your people were probably considered "poison," too.
And you really don't want to start counting and comparing the amount of violence done by Christians and by Muslims. You also don't want to compare how Christians have been treated by Muslims and how Muslims have been treated by Christians. You won't like the result.
When oppressed people fight back, people like you call it "terrorism."
Sat, May 25, 2013 2:53am
billsmith: You're oppressed by the devil.
Sat, May 25, 2013 6:29pm
Pizza: Yahweh oppresses. Lucifer possess.
Sun, May 26, 2013 11:36am
BillS... Only if you let them... We have free will and can choose not to be oppressed by God, or possessed by the devil.
Although we blame circumstance for our lot, in reality, we got there by our own decisions.....
Looking above, I realized I could have put quotes around "revolutionaries, anarchists, and proletarians." so it was more obvious I was paralleling the sentiments during the last century's beginning... That said, even without the quotes, it is very hard to see how one could make a jump that I was arguing for crackdown and oppression... You were right in thinking I would be on the side of those "redressing their grievances" in a public forum.
Which segways into what's on the news this weekend, where a protester interrupts Obama's speech with anti- drone sentiments. Eventually she is removed for disruptive purposes, but what is most intriguing is that she is like the old woman in the Princess Bride who is really arguing the position of the inner core of Obama himself... I got the goosebumps feeling it was God was speaking through this woman directly to Obama to do something.... We know Obama was anti drone in his first campaign, but we also know under him, the drone campaign has escalated to killing over 4000 people.
As one watches one gets tired of the interruptions and wants the lady to shut up... But had she never spoken, events would progress unaltered into the future as does any physical object on the move until a counterforce is applied to stop it....
So the video footage does multiple things. One the first layer is is a disruptive protest, and dis-respective to all those others attending. Second layer, one realizes the protester and president are on the same side of the same topic. Third, the protest must continue until the lady is removed because to protest once and sit down, then have the answer spoken by the president, makes light of the dangerous morality the US is treading when it persists in sending our ninji force (drones) into other's homes because of something we think they said.... To sit down after one protest would be as if that British Lady after the hacking, got her answer and walked away... So again the third layer is realizing that this must be played out to the end to her removal... The fourth layer, is after the removal, realizing what a great nation this is, that such an event could happen...
Too bad she didn't just throw a shoe at the Chicago, race-card playing political ho like that guy did at Dubya, the drunk, stupid little twerp.
Actually, I bet you approve when somebody demonstrates against White presidents. "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" "One, two, three, yell 'Richard Nixon, burn in hell'." You are a racist. You give this unqualified, unprincipled jerk a pass because he's (half) Black. You vote for him because he's (half) Black. That's just as racist as the wing-nuts who hate him because he's (half) Black. Of course, he didn't become Black until he decided on a political career. Like all those people who become American Indians when there's a treaty money pay-out.
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