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POLITICO: Former President Clinton splits with President Obama on Syria

Ex-President Clinton signals his impatience with President Obama's reluctance to get too involved in Syria, by aiding the rebels.

So Bill Clinton joins Senator John McCain in pressing for a more forceful U.S. role. Does Bill box Hillary in? Or no, Hillary Clinton - as a U.S. senator and as secretary of state - was quite the interventionist herself (which arguably cost her the Democratic Presidential nomination in '08).

Here's the story from POLITICO...


From The NEW REPUBLIC on line this week, an analysis arguing that the high-ranking women in the Obama Administration are the second-term interventionists...
(Ironic that Susan Rice, so maligned from the Right, might share John McCain's - and others' - propensity to interventionism, albeit perhaps for somewhat different, "humanitarian" reasons)


You can hear my interview with Tod Linberg about his article:

Audio Here

Posted at 2:28pm on June 13, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Thu, Jun 13, 2013 3:45pm
The Syrian rebels continue to hold two Orthodox bishops captive somewhere. They were kidnapped many weeks ago, with little mention in the media. There has been no show of concern from the Administration. We need not interfere in support of the rebels. We need instead to show our distrust for them and speak out on behalf of the kidnapped bishop and the many Christians murdered by the rebels. Do we want to support another Egypt still in revolt?

Thu, Jun 13, 2013 6:47pm
There are so many skirmishes going on in so many places that we can't possibly get involved in all of them. I don't think there's a right-or-wrong answer here. The question we really need to ask is whether or not today is September 10th, 2001 or December 6, 1941. If the answer to either is yes, than we must get involved to prevent tomorrow from happening to us.

Thu, Jun 13, 2013 7:27pm
Depending on what happens in Turkey overnight, there could be a new implosion in the area.

Funny thing about Turkey is the hard line the government is taking over a private acquisition of a park that is almost equivalent to a national park over here. That is all it is about. A corrupt crony sweatheart deal to a developer friend giving him the right to build over top the park, and people saying "no, this is our park!" Passions are very high, Turks are willing to die to protect that park, and the government if it doubles down, could be brought down. And it was considered invincible just 15 days ago.

Getting into Syria to have the region shift on us in a second is a mistake. Best to do nothing and pretend like we are doing all we can.

Between Clinton and Obama, keep in mind as Clinton said himself, "I don't have all the information HE has. HE might know things I don't, that make a difference in the outcome."

Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:16pm
Okay. So now I see we are going into Syria. Red Line crossed and all that. ..

Forgive the skeptic in me, but this makes the Clinton disagreement look like it was just floating the idea before committal.. Press was fooled into thinking it was a breech between the two. Time-line will show we already were making plans before Clinton's outburst.

Remember, the first call Obama made upon securing the election was to Clinton. You can't tell me that Clinton would surprise Obama by getting in front like that and come out for Syria. Come to think of it, didn't Biden do something similar with gay marriage this time last year, and the media treated it like a gaffe? Is there a pattern here? Or am I the only one to see it?

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 4:38am
Both Clinton and Obama did not serve but seem to have no problem sending others to die. And Dubya hid out taking flying lessons in the Texas guard and started two wars.

War: What is it good for? Quite a lot.

Boosts economic numbers, including jobs. Makes rich people richer. Gives politicians a blank check and immune from criticism as they grab for power. Gets people's minds off scandals and domestic spying. Boosts news ratings and ad revenue. The media even get to have it both ways; when interest lags, they get ratings back up by attacking the war and doing mea culpas for their earlier cheerleading.

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 9:03am
JimH: Well said.
Have "we" learned nothing from Egypt and Libya? Or are the decision makers in our country intentionally trying to build up Islamist countries that hate Christians, Jews and the US?
Coptic Christians are being killed/crucified and their churches burned down in Egypt...and just yesterday an Egyptian leader expressed his true feelings for the US and Jews when he forgot the meeting was on live TV. (Long story/short...he hates both Jews and the US) So much for our "ally" Egypt.

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 9:10am
War: What is it good for? Quite a lot.

Boosts economic numbers, including jobs. Makes rich people richer. Gives politicians a blank check and immune from criticism as they grab for power. Gets people's minds off scandals and domestic spying. Boosts news ratings and ad revenue. The media even get to have it both ways; when interest lags, they get ratings back up by attacking the war and doing mea culpas for their earlier cheerleading.

billsmith: sadly I agree with all of your points above and think you nailed the real reasons for why our country will be involved in Syria :(

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jun 14, 2013 10:20am
JimH: Amen, I agree.

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 1:39pm
Christian compassion at work. If Muslims kill each other, it's OK. If Muslims kill Buddists, it's OK. But if some Christians get killed, oh, no! Let's have another Crusade, Where is Richard the Lionheart when you need him.

And if Christians are getting killed, notice how some people are eager to jump to the conclusion that it's about religion - not political opposition. Christians have a mass persecution complex. And besides, persecution is what Christians do whenever they get the chance, so they figure Muslims must do it, too.
Christian Education in Action:

American boy, 15, forced to withdraw from his Christian school in upstate New York after being relentlessly teased for his Canadian heritage... by his PRINCIPAL and TEACHERS

Ostracized: Noah Kilpatrick said he was ostracized by his principal and publicly humiliated in front of his classmates for being born in Canada

Noah Kilpatrick is an American citizen who has lived in New York for the last ten years. However, he was born in Ottawa, Ontario, and remains proud of his Canadian heritage.
He says jokes about from two teachers at Faith Fellowship Christian School in Watertown, New York, went too far. Eventually, he said, he was being openly mocked in front of his classes and even at a school assembly.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341413/Boy-15-forced-withdraw-school-relentlessly-teased-Canadian-heritage--TEACHERS.html#ixzz2WDHaGezw

What would Jesus do?

And this kid isn't even Muslim. Just Canadian, in a town close the border.

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 2:20pm
I feel sorry for the kid from Canada...but no one beheaded him and no one killed his family members because he was a Canadian...the principal and students may have been insensitive, but no one died.

Allan Loudell
Fri, Jun 14, 2013 3:32pm
I saw that story. Almost included it in my weekend forum, but was rushing.

Granted, no violence, but still absolutely inexcusable and a sad commentary. Once again, narrow-minded U.S. ethnocentrism.

Really, it's so absolutely unimaginable.

It also underscores inexcusable stupidity, considering Canadian currency lately has exceeded U.S. currency in value. What sort of life lesson are the other students learning?

It's appalling that the parents don't call for the head of that principal & the teachers involved (unless that has subsequently happened).

Allan Loudell

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 4:36pm
Allan Loudell: The CBC has a more detailed story. They say the family feels ostracized and intimidated in the community and is thinking of returning to Ottawa. Apparently Watertown isn't Mayberry.


Fri, Jun 14, 2013 10:01pm
And so yet another war is about to begin under this president...I thought "O" was supposed to end all wars and bring all our troops home.

How about we bring ALL our troops home instead of deploying more overseas.

Anyone else wonder what happened to all the Hope & Change?

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 10:36pm
Bill Smith goes off the deep end whenever he gets on the topic of Christian persecution. Percentage wise, the number of bad Christians is 0.00000001%. Percentage of bad Muslims doing the same is 0.00000002%. Therefore some might surmise that Muslims are still 100% more dangerous than Christians...

Fri, Jun 14, 2013 11:04pm
Going into Syria gives Iran more negotiating power in that region. Iran has control over the Hesbollah, and historically has been closely tied with Syria. As Americans begin dying for no reason, and we begin to negotiate ourselves out of a hopeless situation, we will be bargaining with Iran over our extraction, and the nuclear problem will have to go unmentioned, It must be dropped because we can focus only on one thing at one time. That is not a derogatory comment. That is a negotiating truth. You can only negotiate on one point at one time, settle it, then move to the next! As we get desperate to pull out of Syria, Iran can say they will agree on Syria but we must let them have nuclear weapons. What are we going to say? In that case we will stay in Syria forever? You can never have nuclear weapons. Go ahead, kill our sons and daughters cause we don't care? That is us going into Syria is going to pan out.

Syria needs to continue under Russian influence for the grand scheme of things to work out. If that area suddenly explodes into a religious war, the US and Russia and possibly China will be required to unite to extinguish the blaze. And it will probably require a massive large scale extermination of all types of Muslims until they finally decide to coexist within the world, and that fighting over the proper successor of Mohammed is so 7th Century. That said, it is probably time to engage China in the Mid East, since our needs for oil and natural gas are now able to be met with domestic drilling. It would be good for us if we let China do so. it would be like an executive giving an overwhelming, back breaking project to his rival to minimize his future threat. The budding rival willingly takes it on because he knows that if he succeeds where this rival failed, he would then be given the key to the executive washroom.

The mideast (since 1974) has been a boil on our backside for long enough. Time for someone else to bear it. We should turn our attention to.. Africa... At least our current president was born there... lol, lol, lol.

Sat, Jun 15, 2013 11:52am
So, kavips, where did you get those numbers? Make them up yourself? Or from some preacher who made them up?

Mon, Jun 17, 2013 2:20am
billsmith: You're pretty good at making up numbers. Why don't you come up with some?

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