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Two Democratic senators: NSA still lying to Congress

Even now, the NSA isn't coming clean about the extent of surveillance.

That, from two Democratic members of the U.S. Senate.

The GUARDIAN and the Russian 24/7 English-language network offer more comprehensive accounts than I've seen elsewhere... (But do most Americans care?)



Posted at 7:51am on June 26, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:03am
RT is available locally on HD channel 35.4 (plus streaming online, Roku and on most cable systems).

The RT channel offers a good deal of domestic-US programming, including progressive talk host Thom Hartmann's "Big Picture", the investigative program "The Truthseekers," financial commentator Max Keiser, and interviewer Larry King.

The RT channel is antidote to the right-wing "stir up the crazies" programming of Fox and right-wing talk radio.

Speaking of lies: Turns out the tax inspector general, a Bush appointee, deliberately omitted from his formal report and his congressional testimony the fact that progressive groups were also selected for scrutiny to determine their eligibility for tax exempt status.

Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:41am
To answer your question Mr. Loudell...no, I don't think most Americans care.

Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:32am
No, Earl. Probably not. They could cite the NSA witnesses for contempt and perjury but then it would be up to Eric Holder to prosecute and he lies to congress, too.

Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:49pm
While we're at it, can we make it illegal for corporate archivers of personal information to store it too?

Check your online ads if you think they don't know everything about you...

Kind of ironic that there is such a big clamor over the NSA, when we already know, all they had to do was buy the information from an info dealer, and they could have everything about us at their finger tips..

As an aside, this controversy reminds me of those snippets of mafia testimony back in the day, when they knew they were under surveillance but did what they did with impunity.

The prosecutors had to interpret the data which would sort of go like this... "Can we expedite Two Fingers?" "Yeah, Shallow Reefer got a flat tire". "Flat Tire, huh?" "Johnny broke it off with a tire jack." "Oh" "There'll be buckets of fishes to pay". "Buckets of fishes..."

So no matter how much one surveys, there is still a way for the criminal element to get around it...

Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:49pm
kavips: I use AdBlock, so I see very few ads. But based on those I do see, they seem to know very little about me and most of what they know is wrong. At least reputable corporate advertisers have opt out and do not track settings.

"You are being watched. The government has a secret system: a machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it. I designed the machine to detect acts of terror, but it sees everything. Violent crimes involving ordinary people, people like you. Crimes the government considered irrelevant. They wouldn't act, so I decided I would. But I needed a partner, someone with the skills to intervene. Hunted by the authorities, we work in secret. You'll never find us, but victim or perpetrator, if your number's up... we'll find you".
- Person of Interest

Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:25pm
I am an American who does care. In fact, I just installed a super-high-tech total-kitchen-sink antivirus on my computer because even though I'm not doing anything that should be considered evil or suspicious, I consider the government to be more of a concern than any cyber-crooks out there. The Obama administration will use whatever statistics they can get on American citizens in order to discriminate against their political enemies. NSA data and the soon-coming implementation of Obama's health-care scheme is the perfect recipe to make determinations about who lives and who dies. Think I'm exaggerating? What did Kathleen Sebelius say when asked to intervene in the situation in Philadelphia of a 10-year-old girl with cystic fibrosis? "Some live and some die". Translation: Democrats live and Republicans (and Christians) die.

Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:35pm
To further expound on my previous point, homosexuals will receive unlimited medical treatment for any consequences of the legal expansion of their perverted lifestyles, while normal people, particularly white Republicans and Christians, will be allowed to die from diabetes, heart trouble, stroke, etc. Additionally, illegal immigrants will receive unlimited treatment, no questions asked, while white working people will be forced to foot the bill and be denied care because the government squandered it on rogue "victim" groups.

Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:57pm
Pizza: You mean the kid whose parents with political and media connections got a judge to circumvent transplant procedures and protocols without a proper judicial hearing, in order to give a kid an adult lung - and take that lung away from somebody else?
There are not enough organs for everyone. Are you an organ donor? Do you have a living will and have you given instructions to your physician and family members? If not, you have no business getting on your high horse about this.

Thu, Jun 27, 2013 3:20am
Pizza, if you installed the anti virus system to prevent the government from spying on you, you wasted your money. They already know everything in your computer.

I would tend to agree with BillS.. Use open source software because it is not run by one guy who can be compromised. And if you are really worried bout the best president we'll see in our lifetime, get software from the Chinese. If anyone knows how to block US Government hacking, it's the Chinese... But that still does not protect you from everything you send over the internet that gets stored to possibly be looked at later... Just think, someday they will read your words here (and a Republican will be president then) throw you in the Looney Bin because of this direct evidence that your are Crazy.... (There coming to take you away, hey, hey!) referencing a crazy song from our childhoods over here which you might not have heard in Belarus...

Found it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

Thu, Jun 27, 2013 5:12am
The best president we'll see in our lifetime happened 30 years ago, and I've been quite familiar with the "funny farm" song for the past 40 years.

Thu, Jun 27, 2013 5:13am
billsmith: I pay taxes, so I can get on my high horse about anything I want.

Thu, Jun 27, 2013 5:48am
Pizza: Defending is right to be an ignorant hypocrite. The founding fathers never intended the first amendment to apply to people like you. They intended it for people like them.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jun 27, 2013 8:21am
I'm going to stretch this, just a tad, to make the category the best President in modern times [so just for discussion's sake, we'll say that includes anytime from 1930 - 2013]. For me, that makes FDR the Best Prez in Modern Times. If I had to limit that to only within my lifetime [that's different for each of us], FDR isn't within that time, as Truman was Commander-in-Chief when I was born. I'd have to say it was Harry Truman. Truman inherited all sorts of things with the war winding down, including finding out AFTER FDR passed away, and when he had been sworn-in as the new Prez, that we had Atomic Bombs and then had to decide whether to use them to end the war. He had to deal with shifting from a war-time economy to a peace-time economy which presented all sorts of problems. He kept the coal unions from shutting down the nation when they threatened to close the nation's coal industry [back then, most of the US energy for electricity, powering trains, etc., came from coal], the trucking industry wasn't as large as it is today so the nation's goods moved by rail more so than today, plus passenger rail was still a major factor as the airline industry was far smaller than today. He threatened to nationalize the coal industry if coal workers striked. Would a Democrat today even threaten such a move against a union?? He was a no-nonsense, straight-shooting, an actual honest politician [good luck finding one today]. Probably the last "common man" to become Prez. Truman was a Democrat, but I doubt such a man could get the nomination in today's DEM party. I also doubt whether Truman could get nominated in today's GOP too. Anyhow, Harry Truman, in my opinion, is the best Prez in our lifetimes, but if we could stretch that back a few more years, than the title goes to FDR, in my opinion.

If I had to limit my choice to a Republican, then I'd pick Eisenhower. I heard a great interview with a biographer of IKE on NPR [ WHYY-FM's Radio Times] within the past month, and he brought out much about Eisenhower that most of us didn't know, but he was far more aware of what was going on than he let on to. He was pretty sharp and apparently did quite a good job during those Cold War, Joe McCarthy days of the 1950's.

Thu, Jun 27, 2013 9:27pm
billsmith: So who does the first amendment apply to? Dufuses like you?

Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:49am
I think you mean "doofuses." The founders were Renaissance men. Accomplished, educated, enlightened, successful. The constitution was drafted to protect the country from "the tyranny of the mob." They did not intended for the great unwashed to take part in public affairs.

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