WDEL Blog: Allan Loudell

Open Friday / Weekend Forum

So what's on your mind this weekend?

Here in Delaware, one breaking story at the end of the week: Federal officials unseal a 25-page indictment of three members of the Matusiewicz family. The Feds offer a haunting narrative that in the years before Thomas Matusiewicz fatally shot his ex-daughter-in-law at the New Castle County Courthouse, the Matusiewicz family mounted an unrelenting campaign to spy on, threaten, and otherwise harass Christine Bellford over child custody. (See our story)

Dover real estate developer Michael Zimmerman pleaded not guilty to a state criminal charge of making illegal, fraudulent donations to Jack Markell's gubernatorial campaign in 2008. Zimmerman stands accused of donating by using a "fictitious name or names, or in the name or names of another person." Also, "when the donor's true name and address" were unknown. This is the third time in under a year Governor Markell has confronted questions about inappropriate campaign contributions.

We're entering the peak of the hurricane season: Forecasters at the National Climate Prediction Center still say it'll be an active season, albeit slightly less intense than originally projected: In the range of 13 to 19 named storms, rather than the 13 to 20 named storms projected in May.

The United States has withdrawn diplomats from the U.S. consulate in Lahore, Pakistan, also warning U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Pakistan at this time.

Surveillance leaker Edward Snowden - now enjoying at least temporary asylum in Putin's Russia - has apparently lost Lavabit, his e-mail service.

From Der SPIEGEL on line:

"Has a U.S. company been bullied for providing encryption to Edward Snowden? In a posting on the site of e-mail service Lavabit, owner Ladar Levison alludes to government attempts to access users' data -- and denounces 'crimes against the American people'.

The latest casualty of the American government's on-line surveillance program seems to be Lavabit, the e-mail service supposedly used by Edward Snowden to protect himself against National Security Agency (NSA) snooping. In a dramatic letter posted on Lavabit's website Thursday, Ladar Levison, the company's owner and operator, announced that he had decided to shutter the site rather than become 'complicit in crimes against the American people'. Although it didn't include any mention of the NSA, Edward Snowden, or government surveillance, the letter seems to refer to a court order asking for cooperation in the U.S. government spy programs..."

Putin's Russia - now providing sanctuary to Snowden - has prompted a flood of op-eds and analytical pieces suggesting the country is cascading into a dark repressive era. For example, this headline & introductory paragraph in The DAILY BEAST:


"Putin's government bans 'homosexual propaganda'. Right-wing extremists torture gays. But no one in Russia seems to care..."

Cody Wilson - founder of Defense Distributed and designer of the world's first 3D-printed, plastic gun - predicts the U.S. government will have to revise laws as such homemade, unlicensed weapons rapidly multiply. A Canadian man reportedly successfully fired 14 rounds, using an all-plastic, 3D-print rifle.

The nasty feud between CBS & Time-Warner persists; some observers predict the dispute could drag on for weeks. (Although some say the September 5th start of the NFL season will force the sides to find a solution.) Starting a week ago, some three-and-a-half million TV viewers in key markets (New York, Los Angeles, Dallas) have been denied access to some of their favorite CBS shows, ranging from "Big Bang Theory" to "Big Brother". This comes following the collapse in negotiations between the "eye" network and Time-Warner over the fees cable/satellite companies pay broadcasters for the right to carry their respective channels. Industry observers say the impasse could drive viewers to seek new options that would overturn the television model.

Former Congressman & current New York City mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner shows more erosion in the latest poll. According to the latest NEW YORK TIMES / Siena College Poll, only 10% of Democratic voters now support Weiner, his worst showing since he first entered the race.

But as The NEW YORK TIMES noted in an August 8th story, African-American voters appear to be far more willing to look past sexual scandal -- even repeated sexual scandal. So black support for both Weiner and comptroller candidate Eliot Spitzer remains proportionally higher than among most other demographic groups of voters.

From The NEW YORK TIMES: "Interviews with black ministers, political leaders, scholars, and voter suggest two major factors at work: An emphasis in black congregations on forgiveness and redemption, and an experience, particularly among older black voters, of having seen their revered leaders embroiled in scandal..."

High-profile Dr. Sanjay Gupta - CNN's chief medical correspondent - had this to say about marijuana: "I was wrong". He's now come out in support of medical marijuana. Dr. Gupta apologizes for "not looking hard enough" at research on medical marijuana that suggests the weed can help treat various medical conditions.

Posted at 9:04am on August 9, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 10:09am
The Atlantic estimates that market rent for the White House would be $1,800,000.00 ($1.8 million) per MONTH. Obama doesn't pay that. He lives there rent free (plus salary). Job benefits and perks are taxable. So how come Obama (or any prior residents) don't pay taxes on the cost of their free housing. Biden, too. Also all those preachers who get a house rent-free?

Meanwhile, the Daily Mail reports Attorney General Eric Holder ran up $4 million in travel expenses in less than four years on the job. Of course, Eric jets around in a Gulfstream V private jet that cost us $53.5 million.

If they collected taxes on Obama's housing, they could probably pay off Holder's jet.

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 10:17am
I see a lot of people have figured out how to "pirate" "The Dome" since CBS was blacked out on Time Warner cable systems.

The real scandal here is all cable customers HAVE to pay for all cable channels - even ones they don't watch. It's called bundling. It's a great deal for channel owners. Disney gets $5.50 every month from every cable subscriber for the rights to ESPN. Plus cable systems are forced to take other Disney-owned channels, along with ESPN. Other channel operators have similar deals.

The History — And Future — Of Cable's Bundling
For Time Warner Cable customers in major cities, the battle for the future of television is playing out before their eyes as CBS and the cable giant fight over fees. You might not realize it, but between a third and half of your cable bill goes directly to pay for channels like CBS or ESPN.

Why Hasn't The Internet Blown Up Cable TV's Business Model?
The Internet has a history of blowing up business models. Now we buy music by the song, and who needs the newspaper for classifieds? But cable television hasn't budged much. You're still forced to buy a bundle of channels, whether you watch them or not.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Aug 9, 2013 10:36am
Billsmith: thanks for the NPR link.

How I keep the price of watching TV down is buy the Broadcast only service from XFinity, so I get all the broadcast, plus the weather channel, INSP, EWTN, the County Channel, plus all the Hispanic channels, and shopping channels. Then I buy Netflix to watch all sorts of shows online, and via DVD. Total cost per month for both cable and netflix = $30.00.

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 11:11am
MikeFromDelaware: I'd go for the opposite. I'd just as soon forgo the off-the-air channels, which I can get just fine the old fashioned way, but get the cable channels I'm interested in (and only those channels I'm interested in).
I do appreciate the Oldies TV sub-channels: Cozi (10.2), Antenna (17.2), This (17.3), ME TV (69.3) and RTV (69.4).
Cozi runs profiles of the channel's fans, including a Wilmington chiropractor who is a fan of the Lone Ranger (and the guy has a Lone Ranger costume complete with mask and six guns).

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 11:45am
You mean you people still watch TV? Do you walk around with transistor radio's too?

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:04pm
One thing not mentioned here that I'll throw out, is that no one has put together the pattern of big papers bought up recently. The LA times; The Boston Herald, and the Washington Post, were all snatched up by buyers active in the fringe Conservative movement. It is as if they said: we can't win the demographics war, so we will control the message.

Those of us who view and read a lot of media, instantly recognize that most of the investigative journalism in the main American media, is handled by those three papers. The majority of our media was already slanted towards a corporate viewpoint. Losing these three means investigators will now have to go outside the main stream media to publish their findings.

I believe there will be a ready market off shore, and that the choosing of Snowden's outlet, is a sign of things to come. After all, American cloud technology is collapsing offshore now, because anything American is no longer trusted.

Allan. Do you know by chance of what types of retaliation WDEL would face if it broke a story like Snowden's? Because of that, would it pass over the opportunity? And would it wait, on a breaking story involving local politicians? Considering Lavabit, I'd guess yes.

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:02pm
kavips: I too was surprised Mr. Loudell made no mention on his blog about WaPo selling to Libertarian Bezos...but I thought the LA Times was still up for sale?

The Libertarians are starting to gain influence in the media and the old guard types are losing viewers/readers in droves. I just read today that Ron Paul is starting his own internet news channel in the near future...that should be interesting ;)

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:08pm

Allan Loudell
Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:47pm
Sorry Earl Grey... The sale of The WASHINGTON POST was certainly one of the week's more interesting stories.

I didn't post a blog about it, but I have done several interviews, one or two posted as podcasts...

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:54pm
I think you mean The Boston Globe, sold to the owner of the Red Sox, not the Herald, once owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:23pm
oh wow. The Globe is what I meant. I did say Herald, didn't i.. Obviously the Herald breaks no stories. I was definitely referencing the Globe.

But it is interesting to note the Libertarian influence while that subject came up. Somewhere I commented that if one thinks Libertarian, one can explain the Supreme Court, one can explain what "does" get passed by Congress, and one can explain what is happening in state legislatures across the nation.

It seems like Libertarianism is taking over, just not doing so with a single political party, but instead is a combination of the libertarian wings of the two old parties joining to push the policies through.

I think it was the response to Allan saying on air, in regards to the Supreme Court, "conservative one week, liberal the next, one doesn't know what to expect."... that I said that if one uses the Libertarian model, the court is very consistent. Another completely unrelated case to this theory, is to look how Rand Paul's stand resonated around the country? And I just saw the headline only days ago, that progressives were losing their libertarians...

Just a set of random happenings within a fit pattern, just thought I'd mention it.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:59pm
Billsmith: Yes there are some cable stations I wouldn't mind getting, but it isn't worth an additional $68 dollars per month to get them, to me. So my system is far less expensive and is way more TV viewing than I need or would ever watch.

What's great about Netflix is they have all sorts of movies ranging from documentaries [some from History Channel, PBS, and other sources], yes Christian and other faith's spiritual type movies [Luther was one we watched there], plus a ton of very old and recent movies of every genre you can imagine, and a ton of TV shows.

Right now my wife and I are enjoying the older version of "Law and Order", "NCIS", "Cold Case". We also are watching "The West Wing" [didn't get to see this show when it was on originally - a great show showing how the Presidency works], plus the original Star Trek, Star Trek the Next Generation, and Everybody Loves Raymond, Perry Mason, and even Leave it to Beaver [yep a chance to flash back my childhood, of a quieter /safer world for kids in the late 1950's], my wife also watches "chick flicks" and a show called "The Cake Boss' all via Netflix; when we want to watch it [not when the network says] and with no annoying commercial breaks. For me a far better bang for my buck than cable/satellite/Fios, etc.

Kavips: My wife and I watch Netflix online via our computer or she watches her chick flicks on her "Galaxy" and I watch Star Trek and documentaries via my IPod. The DVD's we get from Netflix and the few "over the air TV shows we do view [Blue Bloods and NCIS during the winter and not in reruns and ocassionally PBS Newshour or the Prez State of the Union type stuff] on our TV or Radio. The Prez Debates weren't always available on TV stations we receive, and many times weren't on WDEL or NPR so then we'd go online to CNN or MSNBC or FOX [depending on who was carrying the debate to view there].

Sports wise, I just don't enjoy sitting for 3+ hours watching the Phillies/Orioles, or the Eagles/Ravens, so I am very low tech there, and listen to the games on the radio via WDEL. IF at work for a day game as I can not get 1150 WDEL at work, but only get WDEL on line [listen to Al Missetti that way] and the games aren't carried online [due to MLB rules], so at work I listen to the Phillies on a Philly FM station.

I also use the computer and at home my IPod to listen to Lutheran Public Radio for some beautiful worship music, also I Heart Radio and have created a couple of station's there with music I like.

So I think [for a 62 year old Luddite] I'm pretty diverse in how I use today's media to get the programming both visual and audio I like.

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:01pm
MikeFromDelaware: Out of curiosity, have you been noticing a number of bad DVDs from Netflix? I had Netflix for several years but the last year or so once or twice a month I get a DVD that was unplayable (scratched, cracked). That's in addition to DVDs that needed cleaning. I finally dropped the DVD service. In the months when TV goes into re-runs, I go back to the streaming service. There's often a wait for new movies when they come out on DVD, so now I go to Redbox for those (no wait and no bad DVDs but you do have to take it back to the supermarket).
We are supposed to get Aereo (aereo.com) shortly, so we won't need cable for OTA channels (it's already available in New York, and I understand they are doing a brisk business with TWC customers).

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 6:49pm
I heard a clip from Colonel Muammar Obama's so-called news conference (in reality, another "fool the people" conference)
about how he's "comfortable" with the NSA spying program and then gave lip service to "appropriate reforms" to address privacy concerns. Hey everybody, don't drink the kool-aid here. Of course he's comfortable with it - he expanded it to purposefully and lawlessly strip away the rights of all Americans, especially Christians and Republicans. By the time he's through implementing further intrusions along with his health care scheme, Vladimir Putin's Russia will look like a paradise by comparison.

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 7:02pm
I think David Matusiewicz is probably guilty as sin and that
part of the "unrelenting campaign" involved conspiracy to commit murder. What they likely didn't count on was that ole Pops would then kill himself and leave them standing holding the bag.

I've watched enough Investigation Discovery to know that they all say they're not guilty and they all say they still love the person they killed. In the end, the joke is on them.

Fri, Aug 9, 2013 11:20pm
"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 12:05am
"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 2:25am
I guess that means a liberal is a man with two perfectly bad legs who only walks backwards.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 2:40am
With regards to the "I love boobies" bracelets, I would agree with the ACLU and the court that the bracelets are for all practical purposes harmless.

However, if the bracelets had said "I love Jesus", I'll bet the lawsuit would have been against the students wearing it and that they would be ruled against based upon "separation of church and state".

I think Bill Smith should celebrate the fact that Christianity is the only religion that suffers discrimination. Kinda reminds me of Saul of Tarsus before he was struck blind and received a grand revelation from God and subsequently becoming Paul the Apostle.

God is after you, Bill.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 8:33am
Inside the Obamas' $7.6 million Martha's Vineyard vacation home complete with ocean views, infinity pool, basketball courts and a guest house for secret service agents

* First Family return to elite vacation spot after skipping annual holiday before last year's election
* Four-bedroom Chilmark House has tennis and basketball courts

he Obamas are getting ready for their annual eight-day vacation to Martha's Vineyard, where they will stay in a $7.6 million vacation home with views of the Atlantic.

The First Family have been vacationing in the Vineyard for years, but this is the first time they will stay at the luxury four-bedroom Chilmark House designed by architect Rick Sundberg.

With wall-to-ceiling windows, the 5,000sq ft home has stunning views over the ocean, as well as an infinity pool, tennis courts and a half basketball court. ...

Half the cost of the President's holiday is met by the taxpayer, and the Obamas pay for the remainder, although they have met the full cost of the vacation home, which is owned by private equity expert David Schulte, according to Bloomberg. ...

It is estimated the cost of the entire vacation, including the 75 rooms booked at a nearby hotel for staff and security, could reach $2 million.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2388535/Inside-Obamas-7-6-million-Marthas-Vineyard-vacation-home-complete-ocean-views-infinity-pool-basketball-courts-guest-house-secret-service-agents.html#ixzz2bZK63BIt

So the taxpayers pay for this guy's vacations, too? And he doesn't even pay taxes on all these perks. And the mainstream media so enthralled with the story of the "history-making first African American president" looks the other way. Even Fox.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 8:37am
Based on what I've seen here the last couple of days, I would ascertain that nobody, not even Kavips, supports Obama anymore.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Aug 10, 2013 9:27am
Billsmith: in the 2 years I've had Netflix, we've received 2 cracked DVD's and two that had a section that wouldn't play so we'd have to skip to the next section missing about 5 minutes of the story. The cracked DVD's are probably due to shipping back and forth via US Mail [no offense intended Mr. Pizza]. I'm surprised there hasn't been more cracked DVD's. The finger prints on DVD's is the same problem I have with audio books from the library. Yep, got to wipe them before playing to avoid the skipping or stuttering effect.

Of course I tend to view older [read not as popular] movies and TV shows so they may not get as wide of selection as the popular hot stuff most folks want. That may account for why we've not had as much negative issues as you might have experienced.

Billsmith said: "We are supposed to get Aereo (aereo.com) shortly, so we won't need cable for OTA channels (it's already available in New York, and I understand they are doing a brisk business with TWC customers)."

TWC probably hasn't made any friends in the NYC market as CBS is, I believe the #1 TV network, so cutting off their paying customers from CBS probably is helping Aereo get their business off the ground rather successfully. The Fall shows will be starting up including the NFL [what would a Sunday afternoon be like without CBS's coverage of the NFL for those who will sit and watch football]. If I were a TWC customer, I'd be steamed, as that's the one network my wife and I actually watch in real time each week on Tuesday and Friday nights, for NCIS and Blue Bloods when not in reruns.

On to Obama's vacation and us paying for them.

Does anyone have any info showing how many vacations the past Presidents [going back to say FDR] have taken and how much of it was paid for by the taxpayer?

I don't like what appears to be way too many very expensive vacations Mr. Obama and family have been taking, especially as they've been being paid for by you and I , the tax payer [apparently at least 1/2 the cost {based on what Bill said above}, but if he can give the trip a "business reason" probably we pay the entire cost].

But before we get all worked up about it, it would be good to compare Obama to the others Prez in modern times [back to FDR, if possible [as Mr. Roosevelt is the gold standard for DEMS and most Americans, who aren't TEA folks, easily would be considered the best Prez of the 20th century]. This way we're comparing Obama with his predecessors.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 11:33am
The vacations are the least of my concerns. The fact that he's hellbent on turning America into a police state is what scares me, and you can't say at this point that I'm exaggerating. All you have to do is listen to the horse's mouth. You don't need Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, or even Loudell to tell you what he's up to. The press conference yesterday said it all.

Now on to the next item: "Neighborhood Equality". HUD is initiating a program to bring "diversity" to neighborhoods that ostensibly don't have enough. What that means in plain English is that neighborhoods where people have paid extra in order to shield themselves from crime will be targeted by HUD, especially if they're all white. So, the government will once again loan money to low-incomers to buy houses they can't afford so that eventually all neighborhoods will have the same amount of crime and criminals regardless of what you paid to get in. Of course, that will also result in declining property values. Of course, having traveled to Eastern Europe several times, I've seen just how famously this has worked.

And I thought registered sex offenders in middle-class neighborhoods were a problem.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 12:03pm
Here is the paper (PDF) the NSA released yesterday explaining what they do or don't do, if anyone else is interested...


Sat, Aug 10, 2013 12:51pm
At the bottom of that position paper (above) is this, which pretty much absolves Snowden as a criminal and elevates him to a patriot.

"In addition to NSA's compliance safeguards, NSA personnel are obligated to report when they
believe NSA is not, or may not be, acting consistently with law, policy, or procedure This self-reporting is part of the culture and fabric of NSA. If NSA is not acting in accordance with law,
policy, or procedure, NSA will report through its internal and external intelligence oversight channels, conduct reviews to understand the root cause, and make appropriate adjustments to constantly improve."

Which means if and when one thinks the chain of command is contaminated and reporting will cause one's own demise to protect that contamination's existence, one, in order to fulfill that obligation, is required to circumvent that chain to provide an outlet of one's concerns to those in charge. According to our Constitution, that is the American People.

Right here, we have proof by the NSA itself that Snowden was fulfilling his obligation and was not a traitor to the United States of America.

Done. Signed and sealed.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 1:36pm
Translation: Pizza doesn't want to live next door to N*****s.

Seems that Pizza would like living in Russia. His and their attitudes toward "sodomites" are so alike.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 2:25pm
billsmith: For your information, Mr. Smart Aleck, I have a black living on one side of me and a Mexican living on the other side. Neither are a problem.

What I don't want living next door are drug dealers and other types of criminals, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Of course, you wouldn't understand that because you're a criminal coddler.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 3:47pm
By the way, Bill, I do agree with Russia about Sodomites and I also agree with God about Sodomites. Now if you want to call me a "racist, bigot, homophobe", I think you know what Dirty Harry would say.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 5:58pm
Pizza, you're funny. So, you claim the neighborhood equality program's purpose is move criminals into good neighborhoods? Criminals already have more than enough money to move into better neighborhoods than your's.

Interesting you quote "Dirty Harry."
Gonzales: There is one question, Inspector Callahan: Why do they call you "Dirty Harry"?
De Georgio: Ah that's one thing about our Harry, doesn't play any favorites! Harry hates everybody: Limeys, Micks, Hebes, Fat Dagos, Niggers, Honkies, Chinks, you name it.
Gonzales: How does he feel about Mexicans?
De Georgio: Ask him.
Harry Callahan: Especially Spics.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 6:21pm
billsmith: Go ahead. MAKE MY DAY!

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 7:43pm
Harry hates everybody. So does Pizza.

Sat, Aug 10, 2013 11:13pm
So does Bill.

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 2:25am
I think there's a misprint in the Daily Beast's headline. I think they actually meant this:

America: The Next Third Reich

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:42am
Pizza: If fascists like you get their way, that's what it will become.

I see on another message board a discussion that callers on talk shows are shills. They are actors hired to call in and speak from a prepared statement or outline. There are companies in business to provide caller "talent" to talk shows. Open forum? No way! The whole thing is rigged. We know it's always been true of those "testimonials" in commercials and those eager and excited audience members in infomercials. Well, talk-show callers are fake, too, and hired to deliver prearranged straight lines to the host, and softball questions the host can bat out of the park. Talk shows want to "stir up the crazies" but they don't want people who sound crazy.

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 10:47am
billsmith: It's unlikely fascists like me will get their way. Fascists like you have been getting their way for the last 40 years, so you should be celebrating. Once you and the public park poopers from Occupy Wall Street take over, fascists like me will be forced to seek asylum in Russia or even China.

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 10:55am
I predict the next big movement to be for the legalization of sex with children and child pornography. Who do I think will spearhead this movement? Who else but the great professional lawsuit filer himself: RICHARD KORN.

Richard has the experience, knowledge, and expertise to get the job done as the NAMBLA poster boy.

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 11:07am
Pizza, not only are you an ignorant, hate-filled bigot. You are a liar. Did you make up the story about Occupy protesters "pooping in the park" or did you get it from some professional liar and media ho like Rush, Fox or Breitbart's "ghost" writer (a ghost for a ghost).

You hate the government so much but you work for the post office and have no problem taking all those government benefits the rest of us pay for. Klavin, Newman and Pizza. That could be a song. Has anybody here seen my old friend Pizza. Can you tell me where he's gone. He hated a lot of people...

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 1:19pm
Hey Bill, guess what. I PAY for my government benefits, unlike your pooping freeloader friends at OWS.

Furthermore, the post office is authorized by the constitution whereas the EPA, HHS, HUD, and other departments of tyranny are not.

By the way, Bill, YOU are the bigot. Regardless of what
the revisionists say, America was founded as a CHRISTIAN nation, and bigots like you are trying to take away my right to even preach the gospel.

Better repent in sack cloth and ash and turn to the one true God before it's too late.

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 1:27pm
"America was founded as a CHRISTIAN nation>"

That's a lie, Pizza.

In the words of Harry Belafonte: "Shut your mouth. Go away."

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 1:53pm
Hey Bill, Harry Belafonte is one of the biggest racist bigot homophobes on the planet. He kisses up not only to Obama, but Castro, Chavez, and any other commie thug you want to name.

I think ole Dirty Harry should shut HIS mouth and go away!

However, I don't want you to go away, Bill. You're too much fun.

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 2:14pm
Hey Bill, here's my proof about the OWS poopers, and it didn't come from any "right wing" news sources. Why, it
even has pictures:


Sun, Aug 11, 2013 3:33pm
You lie. The article states it was one guy ..."despite the best efforts of many of the protesters to keep the area clean."

Funny thing is, the tea people and the occupiers have so much in common but you are so consumed with hate and anger you can't let yourself see it.

Why is it such sickos are drawn to work in the post office?

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 3:54pm
Hey Bill, why don't you go join your pooper friends and protest? Perhaps you can eventually get bigots like me deported!

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 4:31pm
Hey Bill, I just thought of an even better idea. Why don't you sail away on Belafonte's banana boat?

Sun, Aug 11, 2013 4:35pm
Better yet, you could sail that banana boat to a banana republic. Wow, I'm SO BRILLIANT!

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:49pm
Seems like maybe a breath of some fresh air is needed here.

I encourage all of us here to take 3:47 minutes to listen to a very nice arrangement of the Prayer of St. Francis that I've posted at the end of this post.

The Origin of the Peace Prayer of St. Francis

by Dr. Christian Renoux, Associate Professor of the University of Orleans, France

Origin of this Prayer

The first appearance of the Peace Prayer occurred in France in 1912 in a small spiritual magazine called La Clochette (The Little Bell). It was published in Paris by a Catholic association known as La Ligue de la Sainte-Messe (The Holy Mass League), founded in 1901 by a French priest, Father Esther Bouquerel (1855-1923). The prayer bore the title of 'Belle prière à faire pendant la messe' (A Beautiful Prayer to Say During the Mass), and was published anonymously. The author could possibly have been Father Bouquerel himself, but the identity of the author remains a mystery.

The prayer was sent in French to Pope Benedict XV in 1915 by the French Marquis Stanislas de La Rochethulon. This was soon followed by its 1916 appearance, in Italian, in L'Osservatore Romano [the Vatican's daily newspaper]. Around 1920, the prayer was printed by a French Franciscan priest on the back of an image of St. Francis with the title 'Prière pour la paix' (Prayer for Peace) but without being attributed to the saint. Between the two world wars, the prayer circulated in Europe and was translated into English. Its has been attributed the first time to saint Francis in 1927 by a French Protestant Movement, Les Chevaliers du Prince de la Paix (The Knights of the Prince of Peace), founded by Étienne Bach (1892-1986).

The first translation in English that we know of appeared in 1936 in Living Courageously, a book by Kirby Page (1890-1957), a Disciple of Christ minister, pacifist, social evangelist, writer and editor of The World Tomorrow (New York City). Page clearly attributed the text to St. Francis of Assisi. During World War II and immediately after, this prayer for peace began circulating widely as the Prayer of St. Francis, specially through Francis cardinal Spellman's books, and over the years has gained a worldwide popularity with people of all faiths.

For more information : see the book by Dr. Christian Renoux, La prière pour la paix attribuée à saint François : une énigme à résoudre, Paris, Editions franciscaines, 2001, 210 p. : 12.81 euros + shipping (ISBN : 2-85020-096-4). -- Order From: Éditions franciscaines, 9, rue Marie-Rose F-75014 Paris.

The English translation of the Peace Prayer:

Lord make me an instrument of your peace

Where there is hatred,
Let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is error, truth;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, Joy.

O Divine Master grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled
As to console;
To be understood,as to understand;
To be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive,
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.


Even though St. Francis apparently didn't pen these words, it does describe the sort of life he attempted to lead.

This song reminds me of how Christ was and how I'm to be as one of his followers. Unfortunately I fall so far below this standard on a daily basis, and am grateful for the love, grace, and forgiveness of God and his son Jesus Christ. This song reminds me of who I'm called to be in Christ. Even for those who don't claim Christ, the model that this song describes is worthy of anyone, not just the followers of Jesus. What a wonderful world this would be if all of us could come closer to living as this song describes. Enjoy.


Sun, Aug 11, 2013 9:16pm

Sorry to jump topics on this thread again... Allan, perhaps you've covered this in your talks to Cairo, but i was just belatedly reading a personal account from Egypt and came across this...

"The protests calling for Morsi to resign were larger than those calling for Hosni Mubarak to resign two years ago. By some accounts it was collectively the largest political protest in the history of the world. The split-screen presentations shown by a number of Arab and western news channels as these events unfolded; on one side of the screen, a pro-Morsi demonstration, on the other side, an anti-Morsi demonstration; were completely farcical. They created the ludicrous false sense of equivalency that simply didn’t exist."

Until I read this I always believed in that equivalency. Could you or have you already, gotten verification on those numbers? Obviously, there is no polling going on over there right now. Just looking for either a confirmation or dismissal from your source in Cairo itself. For that would preclude whether this was a "coup" or a massive revolt/revolution of the people.

Allan Loudell
Mon, Aug 12, 2013 5:48am

From everyone I talk to in the Middle-East, Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood governed so ineptly, they alienated all but their hard-core supporters.

Allan Loudell

Mon, Aug 12, 2013 8:06am
"From everyone I talk to in the Middle-East, Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood governed so ineptly, they alienated all but their hard-core supporters."

And this differs from Dubya how?

Mon, Aug 12, 2013 6:29pm
Here: I'll post this for MR. Pizza... I know he'll enjoy this expose on how the US made an huge error in calling off the talks with Putin it was a dumb thing to do.


Mon, Aug 12, 2013 6:45pm
and here is a cautionary comparison of the new Egyptian leader, Sisi, with Colonial Muammar Gaddafi of Libya. Eerie similarities.


Mon, Aug 12, 2013 8:34pm
Kavips, looks like you're starting to wise up a bit.

Tue, Aug 13, 2013 1:13am
Perhaps. I was in ShopRite and picked up a bag of potato chips. They were Wise.

Tue, Aug 13, 2013 6:50am
Personally, I prefer Herr's, but I believe both are Pennsylvania chips.

Tue, Aug 13, 2013 10:59am
I didn't take Herrs. She'd hit me.

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