Interesting article Allan. This is a dumb thing for the G.O.P. to do. They apparently want to help the DEMS win 2014 and 2016.
The general public is affected in numerous ways, as the article describes, but one thing that should be noted was the last iten of their 12 things that could affect the general public:
"Would a shutdown save the government money?
Probably not. The CRFB reports that estimates vary widely, but “evidence suggests that shutdowns tend to cost, not save, money.” Putting contingency plans in place costs money. And during a shutdown, user fees and other charges are not collected. The last shutdown cost the government $1.4 billion, according to an estimate by the Office of Management and Budget."
$1.4 Billion dollars wasted in the last government shut down. Yet the Congress still gets ITS pay. Never any risk for them.
If I were a Republican [I'm a registered Independent] I'd be telling my leadership to NOT do this. You're simply hurting the American public, and this is NOT the solution to getting your way. You'll make many Independents and probably a number of non-TEA Republicans vote DEM in 2014 and 2016.
People are tired of the games, where you play games, we get hurt. You get paid, we get the short end of the stick.
Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:03pm
Much of blame lies with right-wing talk radio and the hosts who pander to anger, ignorance, and hatred. They stirred up the crazies and this is the result.
Mike from Delaware
Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:11pm
According to the latest poll, and CBS News, the TEA party is not all that popular. Time for G.O.P. members to cut their losses and divorce themselves from the TEA party.
"Only 22 percent of respondents describe themselves as supporters of the Tea Party in Gallup's latest poll - a number that nearly matches the record low 21 percent of Americans who described themselves as Tea Party supporters in a similar poll at the end of 2011. By contrast, toward the end of 2010, 32 percent of Americans described themselves as supporters of the Tea Party."
MFD: The Tea Party may be small, but we're mighty!
Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:43pm
MikeFromDelaware: Polls don't matter. The House has been gerrymandered into safe, one-party districts and the Tea Party dominates primaries (remember, it's happened here). Republicans who don't follow the Tea Party line don't get re-nominated, and in these districts, the Republican nominee always wins. Even Republicans who recognize the tea people are crazies can't afford to cross them.
Their predecessors, the Southern Democrats, were able to put a choke-hold on the Democratic Party and the Congress for a century. Nixon got them to cross over and now they have a choke-hold on the other side.
Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:59pm
That's right Bill, and don't you ever forget it!
Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:25pm
Pizza: It's amazing how you can claim to be so patriotic and revel at the thought of bringing down the government and the economy. OK, it would be amazing if I took you seriously. Nobody takes Cliff Clavin or Newman seriously either.
Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:22pm
Neither do they take Bill Smith or Mark Rice seriously.
Mike from Delaware
Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:48pm
Billsmith: You're right. The TEA folks have got a stranglehold on the G.O.P. & may kill that party if the G.O.P. doesn't stand up to them & soon.
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:26am
MikeFromDelaware: When you say "G.O.P.," exactly whom do you mean? And where and how are they supposed to "stand up?"
The game is set up so a determined minority can block or derail most anything. Look forward to perpetual gridlock in government.
Time to scrap primaries and bring back the smoke-filled rooms.
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:53am
The feeble Republicans are dying. Every day, new Democrats are born; the old Republicans die. This absurd cult (lol of elephant worshipers) will be considered by future generations no different than those supporters of slave masters who joyfully and gleefully rejoiced in seeing the blood of black people oozing from beneath the cat-o-nine tales; no different than those tobacco ad agencies who marketed a toxic product to ensnare and kill tiny children; no different than a corporation that weans children off breast milk onto formula, then forces the mothers into prostitution to pay for the formula they sell; no different than those protecting the sweat-shops, encouraging child labor, or opposing minimum wage. Republicans will forever be considered as obstructionists by all, pure evil by some, from whom the world will be excessively glad when they are gone.
Republicans' children will, across their lives, be apologizing for their parents' actions. Their grandchildren will be apologizing for their grandparents all their lives. Their great-grandchildren will be apologizing for their great-grandparents for the rest of their lives....
The ridiculousness of Republicans today shows they cannot be trusted, with anything. Trusting any Republican is more dangerous than putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger. I thank Mr. Pizza for honestly expressing his views and proving this exact point consistently on this thread...
Mike from Delaware
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:11am
Billsmith: I mean the more main line moderate Republicans when I refer to GOP vs TEA. That moderate group seems to be a dieing breed in that party.
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:31am
Let's put the Republican philosophy in historical perspective.
The Republicans lost the vote in both chambers to stop Obamacare.
The Republicans lost a General election to stop Obamacare.
The Republicans lost the Supreme Court to stop Obamacare.
Now they are going to shut down government? Because with no government, there can then be no Obamacare...
Ha, ha.. They are so stupid. (They haven't figured out with no government, there will be no Congressional Paychecks either; wait a month)...
Imagine if the the Democrats had shut-down government over the Iraq invasion.
Imagine if the Democrats had shut-down government over implementing tax-cuts.
Imagine if the Democrats had shut-down government over Citizens United.
Imagine if the Democrats had shut-down government over No Child Left Behind.
Imagine if the Democrats had shut-down government because the Republicans ran us out of a surplus into the most massive debt in history.
Imagine if the Democrats had shut-down government because the Republicans specifically looked the other way when Wall Street began risky investing with American depositors' money.
Today there would be no Democrats... I certainly don't think the Republicans will have any chance in 2014, or 2016, if they persist.
They are not worried Obamacare will fail. They are worried it will succeed.
Because it already has.
Anyone who is a Republican will have to wear that label of being one, like Mr. Pizza. Defiantly. It will become the equivalent of a Hillbilly's facial hair. Sort of an emblem like: I'm so stupid, I'm proud of it. Wearing a button saying "I'm proud to be a Republican" will become the new trend, like letting one's pants sag so low one's butt shows... It will be their way of saying, "I'm so stupid, I'm proud of it"
One has to wonder: How can Charlie Copeland, as head of Delaware's Republicans, ever show his face in public? He can say "don't worry", but while he talks and his audience is silent, his entire audience is thinking "you're so stupid, you are actually proud of it."
Likewise, how can Rick Jensen go on the air, and deride Democrats and even Obamacare over the airwaves, without nominating himself as "Weasel of the Week?" How does a rational, well-thinking individual go on with daily life, after being proven so incontestably wrong in his assertions? For while Rick is monologuing, his entire audience is thinking... "Oh, my, goodness, He is stupid, and he is actually proud of it?" How does any current legislator who was elected under the Republican tag, not call up the Department of Elections this very day, and change himself from a Republican to a Democrat? Knowing full well, if he/she doesn't, ... when he/she gets up to speak in 2014, this audience politely will be non-responsive, but will be solely thinking... He's stupid, and he's actually proud of it?
How can anyone say they are a Republican in public, on a public forum, or even in private, and not know, everyone else will be thinking under their breath, "They are so stupid, and THEY ARE PROUD OF IT....
I thank Ted Cruz for bringing it home to all America. Perhaps he should have just let his pants sag a little over his butt to achieve the same effect? He wouldn't have had to go to all the effort and expense to get a catheter inserted.....
Yeah... go ahead and say it... :)
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:53am
MikeFromDelaware: The so-called "moderate group" doesn't have a snowball's chance of standing up to the "TEA." Just ask Christine O'Donnell. Better yet, ask Castle.
Mike from Delaware
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:57pm
Billsmith: you make a good point and one that could make the GOP as irrelevant as they were during the FDR years.
Sat, Sep 28, 2013 1:08am
Not only are they irrelevant, but they are now jokes.
Sat, Sep 28, 2013 10:27am
Kavips: The joke is on you!
Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:06am
Easily said; impossible to prove. Remember on the other hand we prove conservatives are jokes ALL THE TIME... we never say it though, just prove it.
There is always a use for a patsy though. I'm sure in Belarus they acknowledge this too, that when Hitler was defending Berlin long after he should have given up, since no adult would stay and fight, he armed little boys who were taught to aim and fire machine guns. ... You play that same role for Republicans well.
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