WDEL Blog: Allan Loudell

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So, which stories / topics / issues capture your attention this weekend?

In Wilmington, the Williams Administration has promised new policing strategies, but they don't seem to have had much of an effect on the pace of street violence, including the shooting of a 12-year-old girl and a 17-year-old boy in Wilmington's Hilltop neighborhood. No arrests. No arrests either in August 11th's quadruple shootings. Meanwhile, Wilmington Police have charged a 12-year-old boy in connection with the shooting of a 17-year-old along North Van Buren Street. Perpetrators and victims are getting younger and younger.

Capitol Hill stumbles along toward a partial government shutdown as G.O.P. Tea Party hardliners blow apart House Speaker John Boehner's plan for steering through various deadlines to keep the Federal government funded and avoid a first-ever default. The civil war WITHIN the Republican Party broke out into the open on the Senate floor with a rare, heated exchange involving three Republican senators: Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) on one side; Bob Corker (R-TN) on the other side. Corker blasted Cruz and Lee for turning Senate proceedings "into a show," Cruz pointedly questioned Corker's loyalty to the Republican Party, for siding - in essence - with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV).

The United States and European allies profess satisfaction with the new tone projected by Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

From The NEW YORK TIMES: "Over salmon kebabs in his hotel on Wednesday evening, he bluntly told a gathering of former United States diplomats and Iran scholars that he would never give up his country's right to enrich uranium, but would swiftly resolve its nuclear standoff with the West. The next day he took aim at Israel's nuclear arsenal in a public speech in the morning, and at night wooed his country's influential, often skeptical diaspora with a banquet for 800. But amid the fervent diplomatic theater, intended to end Iran's isolation, it was at times difficult to tell whether Mr. Rouhani was a genuinely transformative Iranian leader, as his cabinet insisted, or a more polished avatar of the past, as his critics claimed..."

Out of the bloodshed at that mall in Nairobi, Kenya, emerges a tale of heroism & selflessness by Abdul Haji, a Muslim and son of a former Kenyan security minister. Haji rescued an American mother & her three daughters from the mall, as bullets were whizzing by, and grenades were thrown. Haji also fired back.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issues the highlights of its long anticipated report. Bottom line: Scientists can now say with extreme confidence that human activity represents the dominant cause of global warming. In 2007, the United Nations-sponsored committee said it was "very likely" that global warming emanted mainly from human activities. Now, the IPCC says it's "extremely likely." Sea level projections: Previously, 7 to 23 inches by the end of the century. Now, 10 to 32 inches.

A Maryland-based Ku Klux Klan chapter has been granted a permit to hold an event on the lawn area north of General George Meade's headquarters at Gettysburg National Military Park, Pennsylvania. The KKK launched a recruitment drive earlier this month at the Antietam National Battlefield near Sharpsburg.

Cory Booker - mayor of Newark, New Jersey, and the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from New Jersey - has been getting particular attention in the tabloids (and from the TV comedians) for racy Twitter exchanges with an Oregon-based, stripper, Lynsie Lee. Lee told TMZ: "We both have legal jobsm and we both are single adults." She also professed to have a "crush" on the "cute" Booker. Classic exchange between Booker and Lee: Booker - "The East Coast loves you and by the East Coast, I mean me." Lee - "SWell now I'm blushing." Booker - "It's only fair."

Booker has not responded directly to the stories. But according to a Booker spokesperson: "It's pretty well-known that the mayor talks with people from all walks of life on Twitter." Will all this negatively affect Booker's bid for United States Senate from New Jersey? If it's just this, I rather doubt it. Seems comparatively tame compared to a couple of married New York politicians. Perhaps Booker even wants this out for other reasons.

Michael J. Fox's new TV program premiered Thursday night to fairly decent reviews. Fox's debilitating Parkinson's disease is central to the show. Interviewed by Howard Stern, Fox confessed he drank heavily - at first - to deal with Parkinson's.

Posted at 9:07am on September 27, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:35am
It would seem Cruz's 21-hour Talk-a-thon is indeed making a difference.
Republicans are starting to listen to their constituents who are calling/emailing/blogging about de-funding ACA.
Pat Toomey has confirmed he is now voting with Cruz.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:40am
"A Maryland-based Ku Klux Klan chapter has been granted a permit to hold an event on the lawn area north of General George Meade's headquarters at Gettysburg National Military Park, Pennsylvania. The KKK launched a recruitment drive earlier this month at the Antietam National Battlefield near Sharpsburg."

I'm sure Pizza (among others here) is marking his calendar.

But the question is: Why would a radio station, even a right-wing radio station, choose to promote such an event? Church carnivals are one thing. But even TPs and RRs should know what the Klan is.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:24am
The 12-year-old charged in the shooting is on probation for a list of other offenses. Parenting? Obviously not. Neuter this thug before he starts recreating and the cycle of zero parenting continues...

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:08am
bill: My hope is that more people will show up to protest the Klan's event at Gettysburg than the numbers showing up for support.
Many years ago the Klan was given a permit to march down Woodward Avenue in Detroit...they only did that once as the crowd opposing the racists dwarfed the number of idiots in sheets.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:37am
"Perhaps Booker even wants this out for other reasons..."

LOL... :)

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:38am
"Out of the bloodshed at that mall in Nairobi, Kenya, emerges a tale of heroism & selflessness by Abdul Haji, a Muslim and son of a former Kenyan security minister. Haji rescued an American mother & her three daughters from the mall, as bullets were whizzing by, and grenades were thrown. Haji also fired back.

Interesting..so both this hero (Abdul Haji) and an ex-Royal Marine saved lives with a conceal-carry weapon.

And our president just signed the UN Gun Ban Treaty...

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:51am
As for Gettysburg: In Maryland, it used to be Cecil County that was the hotbed of KKK. That got shut down by a very similar parade here in Newark. In the end, the big fearful KKK turned out to be only six 13-15--year--old boys who walked down Main Street Newark protected by a phalanx of 30-40 policemen, with a crowd of American citizens waving American flags numbering well over 60,000 booing them all the way...

The cross-burnings and graffiti stopped immediately. If the KKK are now recruiting in Sharpsburg which is outlying from the D.C. area, that is similar to how Elkton on the outside of Wilmington's urban influence. They seem to try to set-up camp just on the edge of the line of racial infusion as it spreads from various City Centers.

By allowing this demonstration and encouraging an overwhelming protest to the contrary, is exactly what is needed to put racial intolerance in its grave. We have the right to Freedom From Fear. Which is why there needs to be a counter response. To allow this parade, with no counter response from the citizens of our country, would instigate trouble because when something operates in a vacuum, it seems to make such feelings be deemed legitimate and ok.

As with anything. If lingering feelings are there, best to get everything out in the open.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:00pm
Above is a perfect example of what's wrong with America:

Arthur: "Neuter this thug before he starts recreating and the cycle of zero parenting continues..."

Hmm. Isn't that what they used to do with slaves 150 years ago? Yeah, why it is. That was in "Django Unchained", the Quentin Tarantino film of last winter. My. We've gone full circle, Arthur, haven't we?

Perhaps we should also consider other options:

Hmmm. Or we could give him a mentor, or maybe turn him over to Christ... or ship him off to a ranch out west where he could fall in love with a horse and become an outstanding citizen of a Western State.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:03pm
Earl. The terrorists also had conceal and carry weapons.

Whenever you, yourself, cherry-pick, you usually wind up getting the pits. lol.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:35pm
kavips: The terrorists did not have concealed carry machine guns... They apparently had a stockpile of weapons at the mall in a storefront rented by the terrorists.
"It is highly unlikely that the bulky versions of GPMGs (General Purpose Machine-Guns) IEDs (improvised explosive devices) and RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) launchers could have been carried into the shopping mall by the terrorists who had initially gained entry pretending to be tourists even if some of them were, as the authorities claimed, men enveloped in niqabs."

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:35pm
The KKK was the Tea Party of 80-90 years ago. Similar in "philosophy" and in political prominence.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. (The more things change, the more they stay the same.)

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:04pm
You're correct! Kavips, it is what is wrong with America. The continuing cycle of children becoming violent criminals because there is no parental guidance or support. I am sure if you contact the judge that sentenced him and went through the process of gaining custody, you could help him. Let me know when you do that!

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:43pm
I'm a bit confused. It seems that some are implying that WDEL is promoting the KKK rally in Gettysburg? I haven't had the radio on today, so has WDEL been promoting it, or reporting the story during their local newscasts? Or did the story air on the national CBS Radio newscasts? There's a big difference. WDEL and CBS both report news, good and bad.

WDEL shouldn't promote it for example:[use Top 40 hype voice] OK gang, this weekend why don't you head on out to Gettysburg so you can see some real cross burning as the KKK will be setting up camp there. WDEL will be there live covering the festivities so if you can't make it to Gettysburg tune in to 1150 for a blow by blow account of the fun. That should be lots of fun....

THAT's promoting an event.

Reporting vs promoting. Unfortunately, in a society like ours, even evil folks like the KKK or Nazi's can legally get a permit to spout their crap. Just as those oppose can also do the same. It is news, granted bad lousy news, but news none the less.

My guess is those Kluxers would be equally upset if WDEL did a news story on a Gay/Lesbian Pride parade at Gettysburg. That too is news and would be reported. Or when St. Anthony's in Wilmington has the St. Anthony day parade in Little Italy where the Zoli Band parades playing Catholic hymns and old Italian songs, with a statue of St. Anthony being carried, etc, in a procession. Again any of these groups can get a permit to have such a parade/event. All of these are news. Granted the St. Anthony parade won't make it on CBS Radio News [not as controversial as the KKK, Nazi's or GLBT], but sure WDEL will report it as it is news for us here in Wilmington.

It is one of the thorny things about a democracy, it either works for all or it works for none.

Allan Loudell
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:21pm
Just a casual mention on this blog (above). That's it.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:53pm
MikeFromDelaware: Once upon a time, when there were standards in journalism, responsible outlets would not mention something like a KKK rally - especially one over a hundred miles and more than a two hour drive away. Mention, formal or casual, is promotion. Or as P.T. Barnum said, "I don't care what they say about me, just make sure they spell my name right!"

And these ethnic or "pride" events are not news beyond telling people traffic will be messed up. They are promotion and much of what passes for news is just that. Newspapers call them puff pieces. Broadcasters call them "public service."

But whatever you call it, it is telling Allan Loudell found a KKK rally in Gettysburg worth mentioning.

Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:25pm
This thread has gone to ridiculous...clearly neither Loudell nor WDEL are promoting the Klan rally.

Has anyone here read the accounts on what the terrorists (that is the sensored word for how I feel about these pigs) did to their hostages during the seige at the mall? Why does no one seem to be following up on this?

"Soldiers told of the horrific torture meted out by terrorists in the Nairobi mall massacre yesterday with claims hostages were dismembered, had their eyes gouged out and were left hanging from hooks in the ceiling.
Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed with pliers before being blinded and hanged.
Children were found dead in the food court fridges with knives still embedded in their bodies, it was claimed."


And here is a link to the hero Mr. Loudell spoke of in the subjects above...amazing story of bravery.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:50pm
So the only mention of the Kluxers dragging their pillow cases & sheets to parade around an American landmark is Allan mentioning it here? From where I sit that\'s hardly promoting the event.

I\'m sure all of us here are appalled that those evil sick wackos can get a permit to parade anywhere much less at a place of major importance to our nation like Gettysburg. All Allan did was bring it up. So in discussing it to keep on topic, even though it makes me want to puke that scum like that call themselves Americans & some even think they are Christians which really gets me fired up; as legal citizens they get the same rights as us. It has to be that way or none of us would be guaranteed those rights. It either is for all or it will only be for the privileged. So I\'ll hold my nose.

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 1:15am
Actually, Mike. The pillow cases they brought to wear, had the eye holes cut way too far apart so they couldn't see. They were ordered to wear them anyway, and so they did. They were like kids playing blindman's bluff stumbling down the street.

You have to be stupid to hate someone because of a gene that makes melanin in their skin.

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 5:14am
This just shows who is really a right-wing talk show host since he is the only one promoting the Klan. Maybe some forget that KKK hated "Katholics," too.
At least there remain some responsible elements in the media.
It's also clear that the people defending this Klan promotion here are KKK sympathizers. The TP/RR is just the KKK in street clothes, with corporate funding and better PR advice.
So, Earl and MikeFromDelaware, will you be joining Pizza in Gettysburg?

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 5:22am
Five myths about Jesus


Sat, Sep 28, 2013 5:58am
Other media are promoting the KKK event...

White supremacy group KKK has been given approval to stage an event at historical Gettysburg Park next week

* The event will be held at Gettysburg National Military Park in Pennsylvania on October 5
* Park officials say it is their right under the First Amendment
* The group held another rally in early September

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434992/Ku-Klux-Klan-given-approval-stage-event-Gettysburg-National-Military-Park-week.html#ixzz2gBCsu72A


The NY Daily News (Archie Bunker's newspaper)
Fox News (right-wing talk presented as "journalism")
LA Times
Delaware County Times

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 6:07am
Billy Graham's grandson claims 'evil' Evangelicals are 'worse' than Catholics for sex abuse

* Explosive statements warn of an 'evil within our midst'
* Evangelical Christians 'sacrificed souls' to hide sex abuse and have 'got the Gospels backwards'
* Grandson calls Christian missions a 'magnet' for abusers which recycle sicko priests

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2435552/Billy-Grahams-grandson-sex-abuse-claims-Evangelicals-worse-Catholics.html#ixzz2gBFfRjeA

Pastor’s daughter writes scathing open letter to 'despicable' father who abandoned her after she was conceived out of wedlock - telling him to 'go to hell'

* LaShonda Matlock claims preacher father Bill Adkins ignored her for the first 33 years of her life
* His church was only FIVE blocks from her childhood home
* The preacher sent her a cease and desist order to leave him alone - when she was only six-years-old
* He responded to the letter by asking her to appear in front of his congregation, she declined, saying therapy would be more appropriate

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436136/Pastor-Baill-Adkins-daughter-writes-scathing-open-letter-father-abandoned-telling-to-hell.html#ixzz2gBFpaNIL

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Sep 28, 2013 9:29am
Billsmith: If you read my comments and believe I'd go to Gettysburg in support of the Kluxers, I'd have to question how well you read and possibly the idea that you are intolerant to anyone who doesn't see the world exactly as you.

I guess that means you believe that ONLY legal Americans who have YOUR views can have the rights under our Constitution? If some folks said the GLBT folks couldn't parade around promoting their lifestyle, my guess is you'd be rather upset about someone wanting to keep you from your rights. Face it many folks view homosexuality as evil and would be as upset about those folks parading around as the KKK [and not all of them are Christians either].

So as evil, stupid, and disgusting as these morons of the KKK are, they are legal Americans and have the same rights as you or I. I'd defend your right to march in a GLBT pride parade, I'd hope you'd back my right to march in a Christian celebration parade. THAT is not me supporting those scum. It's the law and it applies to all legal Americans. What makes this work is that those opposed can also parade to counter the scum. So maybe the question should be ARE YOU going to Gettysburg to protest their march?

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 10:35am
Billsmith: I won't be going to Gettysburg that day as I have another previously scheduled event to attend.

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 10:56am
MikeFromDelaware: I am concerned that you would equate the KKK rally with a gay pride event or a church festival. The KKK has the right to hold their events; they do not have the right to have them promoted or approved of by reasonable and responsible people.
Gay pride events are not anti-straight. KKK events are anti-Black, anti-Jew, anti-Catholic... You seem to consider not judging the same as condoning evil.

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 1:39pm
billsmith: You have somewhat of a point, but then we live in a culture that doesn't clearly define evil. Homosexuality is evil, but the lie has been drummed into enough minds over a long period of time that it seems to have become truth to many.

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 1:57pm
Pizza: Evil or not, what consenting adults do is none of your business. You are the one who rails against government involvements and intrusions and you turn around and want to send the government into people's bedrooms. You complain about the "nanny state" but you want to tell people how to live, how to feel and whom to love. Inconsistent, eh?
Do you have a problem with miscegenation, too?
People who get so worked up about what gays are doing, must find it really tempting.

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 3:58pm
Hey Bill, to the contrary. I'm not after what they do in their bedrooms. My issue is that they've hijacked a legitimate institution called marriage. Gay marriage is not marriage, and legalizing it is an intrusion on legitimate marriage, which is between a man and a woman. If they actually kept their activities inside the bedroom rather than flaunt it in the faces of decent people, nobody would care. Now that this perversion is legal and protected by so-called "rights", we'll now be expected to pay the bill for the consequences their activities bring upon both themselves and society. If you think the last AIDS epidemic was bad, just wait another 10 or 15 years. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Sat, Sep 28, 2013 4:57pm
Pizza: If you take away special benefits from all married couples, then it won't much matter if gays marry or not. But as long as some couples (i.e., straight couples) get them, then gay couples should, too.
Also, if you can get straight people to stop flaunting, too, then maybe gays would feel less need to do so.
But it's clear the real issue is you have made a judgement on homosexuals and homosexuality based on religion and you want to impose that religion-based judgement - through force of law - on people who don't share it.
MikeFromDelaware keeps telling us Christians don't judge. I guess your Bible had the page torn out.
And you don't have to be gay to get AIDS or spread it. And the fact that gays are entering into monogamous unions - that is, marriage - would make a future epidemic of a sexually transmitted disease less likely. I'd think you'd be in favor of that - if your judgements weren't so clouded by prejudice.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Sep 28, 2013 9:09pm
Billsmith: You make a number of good valid points.

I agree that religious festivals/parades, and gay pride parades are not anti-anyone so yes they are of a different breed than the KKK and the Nazi groups. Frankly I wish they weren't allowed to spew their garbage, but that's not how our society works.

I agree that homosexuality is not evil in the way the Kluxers are an evil. What I do belief and I'm not trying to offend you, but prior to the fall [Garden of Eden] there was no sin, no pain, no problems for Adam and Eve. When they allowed themselves to be tempted by Satan and then did take a bite of the forbidden fruit [we all call it an apple], then sin entered the picture. They were kicked out of the garden, weeds, pestilence, etc, as part of the fallen world arrived. Also birth defects, pain in child birth, miscarriages, illness, death, etc, etc. I believe THAT's when homosexuality began, after the fall as part of the fallen world.

So just as someone is born with some imperfection [not their fault] so the homosexual [ again not their fault they can't control the genes that cause them to be gay/lesbians any more than a bald man can control the genes that made him lose his hair by age 40. So I don't see homosexuality as evil, but part of the fallen world. So just as being born a Diabetic, or blind, etc, etc, are not part of God's perfect plan, but the result of the fallen world, I don't believe homosexuality is either, and the gay/lesbian folks don't have a choice, something in their genes has caused this to happen, so its not evil and there is a major difference.

So the church may not want to marry same sex folks, because that's not part of God's perfect plan, but the state shouldn't have that as an issue being a secular institution.

I realize the Mrpizza won't agree with my interpretation, but again falling on what Galileo said, scripture is never wrong, but our understanding [interpreting] it may be and might change as our learning and understanding grow. So I don't believe the GLBT folks should be discriminated against [you made a good point about government benefits/insurance benefits/inheritance, etc, etc for straight marrieds, and why the GLBT folks want that same benefit]. There's no reason they shouldn't have those benefits. I also agree that by having a monogamous relationship rather than a bunch of one night stands, etc, they spreading of all sorts of sexually transmitted diseases should be less likely, which is a good thing.

I have no problem with the state performing marriages for all straight and gay as is done in Europe and then for those of us who desire to have our marriage consecrated by God in his church, we can then go do that. That would solve that issue and put the church out of the marriage business. As it is now they are licensed by the state to perform marriage, so make that a government function so the church doesn't have to bother, but the church can do its own religious marriage ceremony before the Lord.

So on this issue I'm more liberal than many of my fellow brothers in Christ, but probably not as liberal as other Christians and you are on this issue. That's where I come in on this.

Again, you made a number of good points in your several replies since my last posting this morning.

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 1:55am
Allan, here is link you might be able to flesh out; it involves Common Core and with your contacts at both Politico and the Delaware Chamber of Commerce, this may help give you a leg up on some interesting questions, were you to interview them on either your noon hour or afternoon broadcast....

The Common Core Standard is in trouble politically.. Here is the politico story and an Educational Week link on the exact same topic for good measure...



Sun, Sep 29, 2013 6:33am
MikeFromDelaware: I appreciate you are trying to be reasonable and to do the right thing. I just wish you wouldn't try to argue your opinions based on a literal and fundamentalist interpretation of scripture. You have said in the past that you are not a "creationist" and do not consider the Bible a scientific text. Then you turn around and use the Genesis myth to support your conclusions on various scientific and medical issues. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

Also note that many Christians do not take Genesis literally (probably including Galileo).

Baldness caused by original sin? Now you are telling all the bald people in the world that there is something wrong with being bald and baldness is some sort of punishment?

Diabetes is punishment? OK, but for what people eat and how much of it they eat. No more, no less.

And how do you explain homosexuality in animals (not burdened with original sin)?

The glbtg website has a review (currently) of the position of different Christian denominations on homosexuality you might find interesting: www.glbtq.com

PS: Eve was tempted by a walking, talking (and "crafty") serpent. Satan is not mentioned. And Eve's "sin" was seeking "knowledge" (of good and evil). Are you (and Genesis) saying ignorance is good? (In "1984" Big Brother said "ignorance is strength.") And why would a supposedly "just" deity punish everyone for the sin of a remote ancestor? Also note that "original sin" is not in the Bible and is not a doctrine in Judaism (or even the Eastern Christian Church). St. Augustine of Hippo thought up that one.

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 7:26am
The rich are getting even richers. The gap between the one percent, and the one per cent of the one percent, is even greater than it was in the gilded age.

Forbes says the 400 wealthiest Americans saw their collective wealth rise about $300 billion, or about 750 million each. That average gain is bigger than any Powerball jackpot ever. The 400 wealthiest Americans are worth a record $2.02 trillion, roughly equivalent to the GDP of Russia. That is a gain of $300 billion from a year ago, and more than double a decade ago. The average net worth of list members is a staggering $5 billion, $800 million more than a year ago and also a record. And the 400 wealthiest excludes some 600 other billionaires (with fewer billions in personal wealth).

The Koch Brothers are there with $36 Billion each. More than enough to fund the tea party and get people hating the government and occupiers.
But nobody from Delaware made the cut. Apparently the DuPont family fortune has been spread too thin (or chemicals aren't what they used to be).

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 7:45am
Big Brother really is watching you, and all your friends and families ...

The NSA has been creating maps of American citizens' social networks similar to how the FBI links organized crime families together

* The NSA has been mapping American citizens' social networks since 2010
* The mapping efforts include the gathering of phone, email, Facebook, travel, banking and other records
* At one point, one mobile phone operator was providing the agency with over 1billion phone records per day

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436937/The-NSA-creating-maps-American-citizens-social-networks-similar-FBI-links-organized-crime-families-together.html#ixzz2gHVEbFZj

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 7:47am
Sounds like he's talking about somebody we know. If the shoe fits...

Not ONE word of official account of raid that killed Bin Laden is true, claims award-winning journalist Seymour Hersh

* The Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist says that raid which killed Osama Bin Laden in 2011 is ‘one big lie’
He says the US media is too 'afraid' to pick on Obama
* Hersh, 76, says the solution is to shut down news networks like NBC and ABC
* He also suggested the firing of 90 per cent of mainstream editors

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436610/Pathetic-Award-winning-journalist-Seymour-Hersh-slams-American-press-challenging-US-governments-LIES-Bin-Laden-raid.html#ixzz2gHVa3mQ9

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 10:49am
To anyone who thinks Obama's policies aren't hurting the country, here's the latest numbers (which don't lie):


Sun, Sep 29, 2013 10:59am
Newsmax lies.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer thanks to the one percenters behind the tea party.

If you knew what was good for you, you'd join the Occupiers.

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 1:59pm
Just a reminder Bill: The Tea Party is toilet-trained, and so is Westboro. I'm going with the winners!

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:26pm
By the way Bill, I believe the KKK is also toilet-trained and would be glad to assist OWS in obtaining some sanitary facilities.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:42pm
Billsmith: thanks for your reply . You have given me something to ponder, I understand your points. The thing about the Eastern Orthodox Church is interesting. I'll have to do some research on that.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:54pm
Mrpizza: surly you don't stand with those folks from Westboro Baptist? Even if you consider it a sin or evil to be homosexual, I see nowhere in the Word where Jesus wouldn't extend grace, love, & forgiveness to gay/lesbians. Somehow I don't see Jesus bashing, name calling, or going to someone's funeral & being disrespectful to the deceased, etc, etc. What Jesus did say is I forgive you, go &sin no more. I see NOTHING in anything those Westboro Baptist's do that even remotely could be called doing as Jesus would do.

Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:36pm
MikeFromDelaware: You're welcome. Eastern Christianity is pretty much off the radar in this part of the world. Supposedly "the great schism" took place in 1054 but was building long before, even before the so-called "fall" of the Empire in the West. Doctors of the church, such as St. Augustine, who definitively shaped dogma in the Latin church are not big influences in the East. And then there are the Oriental churches (such as the Coptic Church in Egypt) which split off even earlier.
The Wikipedia articles are good places to start. You might also want to look at the Moravian Church which is to the Eastern Orthodox Churches much like what Protestantism is to the Roman Catholic Church.
Just as there are Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, there are Western Rite (even Celtic Rite) Orthodox Churches.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:42pm
Thanks Bill, for the info. I'll do start Wikipedia & see where I go from there. It ought to be an interesting journey.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Sep 29, 2013 10:14pm
Billsmith: The Orthodox Church Of America website had a Q & A section which said that they believe in original sin, but that the only ones guilty of it are Adam & Eve. However, we all do suffer from the consequences of that sin.

Mon, Sep 30, 2013 1:59am
MFD: Of course I don't agree with Westboro or the KKK. I'm just responding to Bill with a bit of humor. It's kinda like when the Democrats were accusing Republicans of wanting to put old people in the streets eating dog food and Rush Limbaugh joked on air that he was buying his mother a new can opener for Christmas for her dog food and I believe it was Barbara Boxer who proclaimed how terrible it was that Rush was doing that to his mother when in fact he was just responding with a joke to their melodrama.

I'm just having fun jerking Bill's chain.

Mon, Sep 30, 2013 4:15am
Pizza: As I have said before, I don't take many of your comments seriously. Beyond that, those comments are tasteless and - worst of all - not funny. Neither you nor Rush is Mel Brooks. Heck, neither of you is even Al Franken.

Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:12am
Kind of fitting: The middle-class is being robbed, and Mr. Pizza is more concerned with bowel movements...

Why anyone ever voted for any Republican is beyond comprehension.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:12am
Mrpizza: Glad to hear that. One problem with the written word is detecting sarcasm and humor. With the spoken word, the voice adds to what is being said. I wonder if that is why Martin Luther was big on the word being proclaimed orally.

There is sarcasim and anger, in Galatians, when Paul says, OH, You Wicked Galatians ! Of course if you have a deadpan preacher up there who talks like John Kerry [a brilliant man, just not a great public speaker who expresses emotion well with his voice], it sounds very different than the exasperation in Paul's voice.

Of course, I've learned from a Mideval History book I was reading that back then folks read out loud, not silently to themselves. That sure made the library experience a tad bit different. A room full of folks reading outloud, granted in a low voice, but still that would add up to a lot of murruming in the background. Apparently that also happened in the monestaries when they read. Not sure when the idea of reading silently came about, I just found that interesting that folks used to only read out loud.

Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:31am
MikeFromDelaware: Didn't your book point out that in the Middle Ages very, very few people could read and there was no such thing as a public library? The only thing resembling a library was in monasteries. There were so few books that monks and students read to each other. Universities grew out of monasteries, which is why academic gowns resemble robes worn by monks.
Paul's epistles were letters. He did not read them aloud in the groups to which they were addressed. Galatians were Gauls (hence the name) who invaded part of modern day Greece and settled there. Gauls were ethnic Celts. It Paul showed up and raised his voice, he'd probably have had a donnybrook on his hands.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:41am
Billsmith: Paul wouldn't have read his letter to the Galatians, Corinthians, etc., as he sent the respective letter to that body of believers while on his missionary journeys. I'd guess that the leader at the specific church would read Paul's letter to their group to them during one of their church services.

There were libraries prior to the middle ages [I'm thinking the lost library of Alexandria and the libraries in Ancient Rome and in Muslim nation's]. But granted, during the Dark Ages, yes, somehow the world forgot all it knew [had to re-learn much technology they had had during the Ancient Roman years, etc.].

So yes there may not have been many, if any, libraries outside of monastaries [Yes, most folks couldn't read, yet during the Ancient Roman days most Roman citizens apparently could read - how scary is that the an entire continent literally became illiterate?], so the monks did become the keepers of learning until the light of knowledge and the desire to learn started to shine again. Man, talk about the dumming down of a society!

I've heard preachers read that passage from Galatians with a true deadpan, no emotion, inflection in their voice, oh you wicked Galatians. Talk about sucking the life out of the Scriptures. Folks like that forget that Paul and all the rest of those folks were real people with real feelings, emotions, anger, happiness, sarcasm, etc., etc. So I try to read the Scriptures with that in mind. When I've had the opportunity to preach [as a former Methodist lay speaker] or read the Scriptures in a service to the congregation, I always read it with inflection and emotion. I learned that lesson many years ago from a very learned Bible teacher, Malcolm Smith. It really helps make the Bible come alive.

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