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Governor Markell found himself on the defensive at his latest "town hall" meeting at Cape Henlopen High School, as some in the audience questioned the Markell Administration's handling of economic challenges. Whether DelDOT projects cutting through farmland; prevailing wage rules for state contracts; the Fisker fiasco; Bloom Energy's requests; or the downsizing of existing companies in Delaware, the governor caught it from all sides. Markell, of course, pointed to companies committing to more jobs in Delaware.



Talk about jitters in Washington: Even as politicians deadlocked on the partial U.S. governmental shutdown and the October 17th debt-ceiling deadline, Washington was further shaken with a high-speed chase and the sound of gunfire. At least five senators in the area hunkered down on their stomachs; the House & Senate adjourned for the day.

(The woman who led police on that high-speed chase after ramming a White House gate was identified as Miriam Carey, 34, a dental hygienist from Connecticut. Miriam Carey's mother says her daughter had suffered post-partum depression following the recent birth of her daughter. Police fatally shot the woman in her vehicle after she rammed a police car. Police took a one-year-old girl from Carey's car.)



From Page One of The NEW YORK TIMES: BOEHNER PLEDGES to AVOID DEFAULT, REPUBLICANS SAY

"Speaker John Boehner has privately told Republican lawmakers anxious about fallout from the government shutdown that he would not allow a potentially more crippling federal default as the atmosphere on Capitol Hill turned increasingly tense on Thursday.

Mr. Boehner's comments, recounted by multiple lawmakers, that he would use a combination of Republican and Democratic votes to increase the federal debt limit if necessary appeared aimed at reassuring his colleagues - and nervous financial markets - that he did not intend to let the economic crisis spiral further out of control..."




The White House also appeared to be tamping down chatter that the President might claim extraordinary powers to deal with the debt ceiling crisis.

From Britain's GUARDIAN on line:

"The White House has ruled out using a legal veto to force Congress to extend the U.S. debt limit as conservative Republicans threaten to take what the Treasury described as a potentially catastrophic economic standoff to the brink of a 17 October deadline.

President Obama has been encouraged by senior Democrats to call the bluff of hardline Republicans who want to add a debt limit refusal to an existing spending impasse that has already shut down much of the federal government.

Some Democrats argue that powers granted under the 14th amendment to the constitution, which was introduced to control Southern states after the Civil War, would allow the president to unilaterally borrow money if there was such a threat to the credit-worthiness of the U.S."

But White House Press Secretary Jay Carney appeared to rule out such an approach: "The administration does not believe the 14th amendment gives power to the president to ignore the debt ceiling. The fact that there is significant controversy around the president's authority to act unilaterally means that it would not be a credible alternative to Congress raising the debt-ceiling and would not be taken seriously by the market..."



By the way, has anyone noticed: Where's Joe Biden? The Vice President, so prominent in so many other Washington battles and controversies, seems to be strangely on the sidelines. Some theories?

* The Veep is already preoccupied with everything else on his plate, whether backing Secretary of State Kerry on Middle-East diplomacy or privately defending the administration to senators of both parties he regards as friends.

* The Vice President has no similar rapport with members of the House - particularly not at all with the Tea Party absolutists - so what would be the point?

* Why would the Veep - contemplating a Presidential bid of his own - want to associate himself with the coming cataclysm? But if talk of a "Grand Bargain" gets serious right around the October 17th deadline, perhaps the Veep will resurface.




The U.S. government's partial shutdown has led President Obama to cancel his long planned trip to East Asia next week. President Obama had already cut two countries from the itinerary: Malaysis and The Philippines. As I keep saying, first the Middle-East and now the governmental shutdown/debt ceiling crisis seem to be monopolizing official Washington and the media. Sad indeed.

As Pepe Escobar writes in The ASIA TIMES on line: "That leaves Chinese President Xi Jinping to bask, unrivalled, in center stage glow. As if any Stateside 'help' was needed, and as if Xi was not already on a roll. On Thursday, Xi became the first foreign leader ever to address the Indonesian parliament in Jakarta..."

Later, Escobar writes sarcastically: "It's a bit of a problem when you announce - with great fanfare, and at the Pentagon, of all places - a 'pivoting to Asia' to enhance the role of 'Asia Pacific to U.S. prosperity and security' and you cannot even pivot yourself to Asia for a few days to pitch it in person. In fact, there's no pivoting to begin with - at least for now. The Obama Administration has been focused not only on two immensely complex dossiers - Syria and Iran - but also trying to contain Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's dementia in Israel and the increasingly fearful and paranoid House of Saud..."

At the end of his piece: "...while the U.S. does shutdowns, China does business."



Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told NPR's "Morning Edition" he would "consider" meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. "I haven't been offered (to meet Rouhani). If I'm offered, I'd consider it, but it's not an issue. If I meet with these people, I'd stick this question in their face: 'Are you prepared to dismantle your (nuclear) program completely? Because you can't stay with the (nuclear) enrichment.'"



New research, University of Southampton (England): Honeybees, which use floral odors to identify flowers yielding the best pollen and nectar, face complications when confronting diesel pollution. The fumes alter the chemical make-up of the flowers' scent. If honeybees are significantly less likely to find those flowers producing vital pollen and nectar, the colony or hive is stressed, and that could, in turn, reduce pollination of crops. You figure out the rest.















Posted at 8:23am on October 4, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

billsmith
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 8:38am
For practical purposes, most of the U.S. does not have the death penalty...
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Just 2 percent of counties are responsible for more than HALF of all death sentences in America

* Study from Death Penalty Information Center claims executions are the result of local decisions, because they are clustered in just a few counties
* Since 1976, 85 percent of U.S. counties have not had a single execution
* Maricopa County, Arizona and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, have been singled out for having large numbers of death-row inmates in proportion to their populations

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442275/Just-2percent-counties-responsible-HALF-death-sentences-America.html#ixzz2gkwttU7s
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billsmith
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 8:48am
Are you a geek or a nerd? Scientist creates graph that explains the difference - and shows where YOU are on the scale

* Software engineer Burr Settles studied the words used in 2.6 million tweets
* He also sampled tweets that matched the query terms 'geek' and 'nerd'
* By comparing tweets in each query Settles devised an equation to discover the words most used by geeks and nerds
* These words were plotted on a chart along a geeky and nerdy scale

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2442364/Are-geek-nerd-Scientist-creates-graph-explains-difference--tells-YOU-scale.html#ixzz2gkzqKpzb


kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 9:41am
Right now, America is 99% against Republicans. Of course as large as we are, that still leaves 3 million Americans supportive of shutting down government, many of them employed by conservative media.

These 3 million are very vocal, as any minority is always more vocal than the majority who has no reason to clamor, so doesn't...

But for every person saying rah, rah republicans, there are now 99 who would love to to see that 1% punished in some way.

In fact, when I heard gunfire at the Capitol, my first reaction was someone had decided to take moral justice into his/her own hands... That was the local topic of conversation for about 3 hours until the facts came out...

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 9:43am
I thought geeks drank Mt. Dew and nerds ate Pizza. My times have changed.

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 9:44am
BillS. Thanks for the stats on the death penalty. I'd never heard the stats broken down to county level. It was very revealing.. Appreciate it.

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 9:46am
Again. Markell's problem is that he is not getting good advice. The best candidates are the ones who hire the best staffs.

What's missing on his staff is a mature person who as Kenny Rogers once put it. ... Knows when to hold them, knows when to fold them.

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:04am
As usual... Pepe is right on target. It is a shame all our media are based inside Washington D.C., which means the only thing they see are the battles within the bubble. Like goldfish eying the top of the pond, to them there are only amorphous vague shapes existing past the membrane of their beltway.

We are running a race, yet taking time out to argue with our spouse on the cellphone. Everyone else is still running.

Means we are falling behind second by second, and we cannot make it up. As was a recent football team down 52-20, we now have to count entirely on our opponents failing themselves, if we are ever to get back in the running. As long as they keep running, we are doomed.

However, I would like to note that whereas I am sure from the global view owned by Pepe, the U.S. looks like one whole entity. But actually, we are divided into two groups.: "The People" who have the votes & "The Corporates" who have the money... We are in the middle of a class-warfare, or economic civil war, within this country.

Hopefully, "WE the People", will prevail. After all, we have the votes.

It would be nice that whenever blame gets tossed around overseas, the Republicans - whether for our military exuberance into Iraq and Afghanistan; our corporate immorality; our religious insolence; or our love of meddling... Republicans get the full credit for their ignoble actions.

Most of these activities performed by our nation are not even sanctioned by everyday Americans, who are powerless these days to even get their views in print.

Although Democrats are not absolutely perfect... when standing next to any Republican, they just can't help but look that way....

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:09am
As to Biden's quietness, two other theories I've heard.

One is a sick son. In his position, I would be loathe to take on any other battles.

Two, is that the administration has decided that as with America attempting to negotiate with Japan before WWII, that now, after Pearl Harbor, it is time the Republicans fall completely on their swords in front of the American people to be replaced with Democrats who at least care about the nation more than they do themselves....

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:26am
Billsmith: Both the Death Penalty stats and the Geek vs. Nerd graph were interesting.

Texas is definitely #1 in using the death penalty. It would be interesting to compare violent-crime stats for Texas vs. New York [both states with large cities] TX has the death penalty, whereas NY doesn't.


Mike from Delaware
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:31am
I believe Obama and the DEMS have decided that if the G.O.P./TEA folks want to go this route, then let's show the American public what their policies will bring. So the Prez and DEMS are sticking to their original position, which is the correct one, in this case, Obamacare, like it or hate it, it is the law of the land. For the G.O.P./TEA folks to overturn it would require a new law. The G.O.P./TEA House has passed that like 42 times, but the rest of the government isn't buying in to their plan, so the law remains. So the G.O.P./TEA folks will need to win in 2014 and 2016 in order to have a shot at overturning Obamacare.

Given the stupid antics the G.O.P./TEA folks in the House are doing, my guess is we'll have an even more solidily DEM Congress after the 2014 election.

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:41am
And if you read Delaware Liberal you will see that 25 House Republicans have signed on to supporting Obamacare, which, if all Democrats vote yes as well, means 225 votes. 218 are needed.

This bill can be passed in 5 minutes, and the shut-down reversed.

So, Mr. Pizza, So Earl Grey. So Jim H. So others I've missed. Why hasn't Boehner put this bill on the floor to open up government?

Why has Boehner held off putting people back to work.
Why has Boehner held off opening the Veteran's monuments?
Why has Boehner held off putting Delaware's ANG back to work?
Why has Boehner held off reopening Head Start?
Why has Boehner held off reopening the CIA and FBI?
Why has Boehner held off reopening Dover's commissary?
Why has Boehner held off the Fed's unemployment checks?
Why has Boehner held off paying Dr.s for Medicare services?
Why has Boehner held off the prevention of SAR's epidemics?
Why has Boehner held off food stamps certain families depend on?
Why has Boehner held off the Federal Money our schools start spending October 1st.
Why has Boehner held off the all regulatory committees from working?
Why has Boehner held off from the SEC from doing its duty?
Why has Boehner held off from Food Inspectors inspecting Chinese imports?
Why has Boehner held off from the Pentagon pentagoning?

The one government function not shut down? Signing up people for Obamacare, a function that is being overwhelmed by popular demand. So what's the point of not putting the bill on the floor to fund the government?

We know why. It has nothing to do with making America a better place. It has to do solely with serving the needs of the arrogant Republican Party, which is so broken anyway, there is no hope it will live.

For this broken party, our government is shut-down.... We have the votes to get it running, but the leadership won't put that bill out on the floor because it will pass.

Anyone who ever votes for a Republican after this, will have to do a tremendous act of repentance in order to compensate that action just to keep his or her soul out of hell when he dies.

Because every single vote for any Republican is like a knife blow going straight into America's back.

The Catholic Church needs to canonize this and add voting Republican to their cardinal list of sins.




Dunmore
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:45am
New topic.

I have a modest proposal for a new Wilmington City motto.

First we had "A Place to Be Somebody", which, with all the shootings, sort of got changed to "A Place to Be A Body." I guess the city didn't like that, so now we have something like "WilmINgton - In the Middle of it All". I see all the banners, with the "IN" highlighted. Catchy.

However, not much has changed here. Since the shootings have continued, I propose that the new city motto be: "Wilmington - Right Between the I's". If anyone wants to license this for T-shirts, let me know.

billsmith
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:55am
Kavips and MikeFromDelaware: The death penalty article mentions that the counties where people are most likely to be executed have prosecutors who are aggressive in seeking the death penalty to pander to the "eye-for-an-eye" crowd and because "death-qualified" juries are more likely to defer to prosecutors and to convict.

Notice that one of the counties singled out is Philadelphia, thanks largely to ex-D.A. Lynn Abraham, whom the N.Y. Times once called bloodthirsty and who was married to a right-wing radio talk show host.

Another is Maricopa County, AZ, home of nazi sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Some politicians pander to the worst in people and that's where the death penalty is likely to flourish.

EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 12:03pm
Rather than jumping back into the current political blame-game trying to figure out who is to blame for all of America's problems I thought a change in pace might be refreshing.

Since all here are "news nerds" I thought you may be interested in finding out your "news IQ" by taking the Pew Research quiz on the Topic:
News IQ Quiz

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 12:42pm
Earl. There is no "blame game". Facts are facts. Real is real The only game that has ever been played is being done by Republicans trying to twist reality into some visual fabrication somehow making Democrats look like they are remotely responsible for what happened.

This is not a game. This is real, Americans are hurting and very upset that Republicans messed up and damaged America really bad.

That you even dare call it "a game" means you are a big part of the problem.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 1:18pm
If you missed Dave Ross' commentary during the WDEL midday newsblock, you missed a great explanation for what's going on in terms of the government shut down.

Here is the link to Dave Ross' website that WDEL provides, that has a 2 minute version of his commentary that he used this morning on his KIRO Radio morning show from Seattle [the CBS Radio feed isn't available and is only 60 seconds]. Give a listen, well worth the two minutes.

http://icestream.bonnint.net/seattle/kiro/2013/10/c_daverosscommentary100413_9962216.mp3

EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 1:32pm
kavips: Your "facts" are filtered through your political vision... Is it really a "fact" that 99% of Americans are against the Republicans? Maybe you should check out sites beyond DelLib and the DailyKos for your "facts".

The Republicans had a deal that the military would be funded and Harry Reid "played the game" and went back on the deal... You are placing far too much faith in politicians as trustworthy individuals.

Shutting down private parks such as Mt. Vernon to inflict pain on tourists is a game... How much money has been wasted by putting up all these "barrycades" and added guards to show how much we "need" government?

If anything, it shows that everything controlled by the government is viewed by those currently in power as something that can be taken away from the citizens who pay for it, if we dare disagree.

I'm proud of those from The Greatest Generation who tore down the barricades placed before their monument...and now more/stronger fences are in place and more guards are "protecting" the monument from heroes who simply wish to visit their memorial one last time... not a very good PR move for the Democrats.

EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 1:39pm
Mike: I listened to your link...Dave Ross needs to check his numbers on how many people are ACTUALLY SIGNING UP for the ACA... the numbers are abysmally low.

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 2:34pm
Earl. Obviously you can't but find 3-million people who are in favor of this government being shut-down, and then I'll look at your version of the facts. That figure was not on any political websites to my knowledge.

Your slight of hand does not work here. And if you want to be fair, add Red State, Delaware Politics, and Delaware Right to my reading list... How else would I know how ridiculous you guys sometimes are?

Facts are: Almost no one likes Republicans because they shut-down the government. Even if they previously were against Obamacare, they aren't now. Even Mr. Pizza has been silent and hid his head in his deepest shame.

And when you shut-down government, you shut it all. You don't get to just shut-down only what you don't like. Oh.. I like to like Tootsie Pops, Republicans say. Let's let that stay open, but shut down Hershey's Inc.

You are in such a quandary as you try to deal with the mess you made. "Oh, I don't see why the parks are shut-down.. ""Dude, they are shut down because YOU shut them down." I don't see why the monuments to our greatest generation are shut-down".. Dude, they are shut-down because you voted to shut them down." Really Earl. Do you think every American is as stupid as I guess the majority of your party is?

Imagine if you robbed a bank. I don't see why I'm arrested. Imagine if you rammed a police car. I don't see why I'm arrested. Imagine if you put a fully-loaded gun to your head and pulled the trigger. I don't see why I'm dying.

The reason is Earl. and let me explain it to you... Actions have consequences... yes, I know in your little bubble that is a new concept for you, but the rest of us deal with the consequences of our actions all the time...

If you close government... then government is going to close. Duh..

And it is all Republicans' fault because 18 attempts were made to get Republicans to the table with the Senate to Compromise. Boehner said "no" 18 times... Let me illustrate that for you.

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And do you know how many times the House has passed measures to defund Obamacare, all of which were unsuccessful?

Forty-seven... Let me illustrate what that looks like:

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So, that is dead in the water. Most compromising people would have tried very early on to compromise and get something, instead of shutting down the government. Therefore, the reason, the only reason we are in this shut-down, is because Republicans won't compromise. They are not compromising and so we are suffering...

I'm so happy you are enjoying the fact that life is going on without government. I hope you get a moment to explain your happiness with someone from the Delaware Air National Guard who just returned from Afghanistan on Saturday to get no paycheck on Tuesday... Tell them you are sorry your political party did this to them, but how happy your are it happened.

This shut-down was caused only by Republicans to only benefit Republicans... They are solely responsible for it based on the facts. The facts you can't argue against because you know they are completely true... you caused this.

Unlike 99% of Americans, I personally have nothing against Republicans: They are great people when they are completely out-of-power and totally removed from government. lol.


kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 2:41pm
Oh, and remember how the N.S.A. told us that 54 terroristic plots were foiled because of their violating the Constitution?....

When pinned by Patrick Leahy, they could only account for one. That poor LA cabby who thought he was helping Islam by giving up his 8000 dollars.

So when they say Americans aren't being spied upon... Let's see.. two proven lies already... Hmm.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130731/11295424020/senator-leahy-calls-bullst-claim-that-metadata-collection-stopped-any-terrorist-attacks.shtml

billsmith
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 2:52pm
Politicians lie. The media enable. They act like if they put somebody else's name on a lie and pass it along, they have done their job. Seldom do they fact-check. At most, they find another politician to tell contradictory lies and then they call it "balance" or "objectivity." Some are even gullible enough to think if a member of the great and powerful actually talks to them, that shows respect and the big shot must be telling them the truth.

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 3:08pm
BillS... What a great segueway... here is Varney from today's morning show on FOX... Complete denial. Complete striving to create fiction out of a world that has gone terribly wrong.

Remember Baghdad Bob? This is him today....He's out of prison and working for Fox News.

VARNEY: "That is a loaded question isn't it? You want my opinion? This is President Obama's shutdown. He is responsible for shutting this thing down; he's taken an entirely political decision here. No, I don't think they should get their back-pay, frankly, I really don't. I'm sick and tired of a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy living on our backs, and taking money out of us, a lot more money than most of us earn in the private sector, then getting a furlough, and then getting their money back at the end of it. Sorry, I'm not for that. I want to punish these people. Sorry to say that, but that's what I want to do."

He wants to "punish Federal Workers". Hmmm. And their children, I guess, because if you punish the parents, the child suffers too. Mommy, Mommy, I'm hungry! Shut up and go ask Ted Cruz; he's got 6-million!

lol.. Baghdad Bob... that characterization fits like a glove...

But Bill, remember how the press would challenge Baghdad Bob.. "Don't you see the bombs falling, our planes are in your skies, our troops are on the edge of the city?"

"All lies. All American propaganda... It simply is impossible and not true."

Every Republican who still supports their party sounds exactly like that now... lol. But why does the press not challenge these equally blatant misinterpretations simply because they are said by other media personalities?

Every one knows this is all Republicans' fault. No matter what Baghdad Bob tries to spin... And I don't know about you, but Baghdad Bob was kind of a lovable old dufus. Conservatives today are more hateful than Osama Bin Laden.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 3:23pm
EarlGrey: According to the article in the Washington Post, 4.7 million folks visited the Obamacare website in 24 hours.

"The federal site, Healthcare.gov, was sluggish and flashed error messages much of the day. The Obama administration said the delays were simply the result of an initial rush of people flocking to the site — 4.7 million unique visitors in the first 24 hours"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obamacare-site-goes-live-with-some-glitches/2013/10/01/380a4300-2a9d-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html

EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 4:52pm
Mike: My question was...how many actually signed up for ObamaCare? I know that millions of people are interested in what ACA is, what it will cost, how user-friendly the government-run website would be. But, millions of visitors to the site who don't actually sign up will sink this boondoggle.

If millions of people just visited E-bay's site without buying/selling then E-bay would go out-of-business.

billsmith
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 7:06pm
Earl: Come back on December 15th and ask how many signed up. The new plans don't start until January 1st. Right now people are shopping. The deadline to sign up and have coverage January 1st is more than two months away.

Not only do politicians lie. Right-wing groupies lie to twist things to suit themselves.

EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 7:46pm
bill: Please enlighten me as to any lies I have told...I don't see people rushing to sign up for this "amazing" deal. Obama has compared his ACA to Apple's I-phone...people are in queues and anxiously waiting for their new I-phones to arrive but not-so-much for ACA. Lots of hype...very little hope.

kavips
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 8:00pm
Exactly, one can't deride Obama care for the low number of those signing up now. I know a Tea Party Republican who had so many options in North Carolina they had to visit all three days... They were complaining about having so many options to choose...

So all these figures really tell us is people are interested enough to look into it. For all we know, it could be Tea partiers all looking at how they can sabotage it. lol. Since we don't know why they are looking, reading motives is rather pointless.

But if Mike's Washington Post is correct, then that amounts to 54 searches per second. Just count seconds... 54, 54, 54, 54 to give you an idea. How does that compare?

Pretty well actually. Consider these...
Google: 34,000 searches per second
Yahoo: 3,200 searches per second
Bing: 927 searches per second

I saw that on cyber Monday Amazon.com sold 157 items per second... So Obamacare was one third of that... That is a pretty impressive number to even BE compared to Amazon.com on cyber Monday.

One could say, people are pretty excited about Obamacare. Which is why the Republicans who understand that as people get used to it and love it, will come to eventually despise Republicans forever for working so hard to keep it from them....

EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 8:10pm
So with all this success surely the president's approval numbers are soaring right?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Btw, the House passed a bill to continue military pay during the shutdown but Harry Reid rejected it. That's the story my friends in the military believe as well...
http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20130929/CONGRESS/309290005/House-votes-protect-military-pay-shutdown-looks-more-likely

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 8:56pm
EarlGrey: Both Billsmith & Kavips answered your question. The GOP/TEA House is playing politics with this issue. Sure they want military pay restored fast, those folks vote Republican. As the Prez & the Dems have said the House has a bill the Senate has already passed, all the House has to do is pass that & all the government will reopen for business tomorrow.

Arthur
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 9:34pm
Keep the government shut down. its good for ALL citizens. Gas prices are dropping. that helps EVERYONE!

EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 4, 2013 9:49pm
So Mike...your answer (along with bill and kavips) is that no compromises should be made to the budget by this president. Do you feel the same about the next big issue about to take center stage?...the Debt Ceiling. The prez already has made clear once again that he will not negotiate with the opposition on this either.
To say only the Republicans are "playing games" is a bit one-sided...it's politics and both sides use what they can to get what they want (which is supposed to be the same thing their constituents want).

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 12:35am
EarlGrey: you keep ignoring the fact, Obamacare is law. The Republicans don't like that, & because they can't convince the Senate to go along with them, the House has chosen to try to force the Dems & Obama to just let them have their way. That's the issue. The GOP is wrong in what they are doing, in my opinion. They missed their chance to prevent Obamacare from becoming law. They're done until they can win an election, but given what they are doing they'll probably lose in 2014. They are acting like bullies or thugs. Do it our way or else. So Obama is letting them do the or else so folks can see how far these Republicans will go to get their way. They'd rather sink our ship of state than allow Obamacare from being implemented, even though it is the legal law of the land. The only laws the Republicans apparently like & would obey are laws they like; otherwise they seem to believe the laws aren't meant for them. They are not acting in a Godly manner. The GOP leadership should be ashamed of themselves & their party for doing what they've done.

kavips
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 12:53am
Looks like Virginia is going to have a Democratic Governor. Fairfax County, the hotbed of conservatism is home to 100,000 Federal employees. The Republican shutdown has shut down a Republican's chance of taking a governorship...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

kavips
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 1:10am
Reid put it best. The bill does not come due till 10/7. Passing it now makes no difference to the service men and women, but it gives cover to those in military districts who are conservative. As one REPUBLICAN said, "All Federal employees should be paid; not just Republicans." "This Bill does not cover the FBI, it doesn’t cover the CIA, it also doesn’t help Border Patrol, Centers for Disease Control or National Institutes of Health, all of which have people involved in critically important jobs.." How can you let some Federal employees work, and others not, especially if because you let some work, ie the military to satisfy Conservative interests, the other remain off work indefinitely?

Reid was smart not to take the bait. REMEMBER EARL, THIS WOULD BILL WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE IF THE REPUBLICANS SINGLE HANDEDLY DID NOT SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN AND PUT ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES OUT OF WORK. It is especially sad that the Republicans of which there are none in this state, are responsible for our Air National Guard not receiving their much needed paychecks after returning Saturday from defending YOU against Al Qaeda.... That is all you Republicans fault... as outlined above... repeatedly...

All that has to be done is to put the Democrat bill on the floor, already passed by the bipartisan Senate, and allow members to vote their conscious...

All that has to be done is to let them vote, and not keep it locked up in Boehner's desk drawer.....

That is why Delaware's Air National Guard is not getting paid.

kavips
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 1:19am
here is Earl's total argument.... in proper perspective.

Can I burn down your house?

No

Just the 2nd floor?

No

Garage?

No

Let's talk about what I can burn down.

No

YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!

Should we have negotiated with Osama Bin Laden? no
Should we have negotiated with Hitler? no
Should we have negotiated with Tojo? no

Should we have negotiated with Gorbachev? Absolutely.

The problem is Republicans are acting like the top three, and not the bottom one. If you could start acting like Gorbachev, perhaps this would never have occurred.

But 18 offers to sit down at the table and compromise were offered by the bi-partisan Senate and 18 times Boehner said no, we will not negotiate.... 18 times!

Then, in the last 5 minutes, and offer was made by House Republicans to negotiate, and it was done, only so they could say, we offered to negotiate and they didn't take it...

Sorry. Republicans made their bed... They can get out of it by disassociating themselves with the Tea Party, and side with Centrist Democrats and cooperate on a lot of good legislation... That is the only ticket the Republicans have, and listening to Earl, and Pizza before he put his head in the sand, and Rick Jensen, even though only 1 % agrees with you, I don't think they will take it.

kavips
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 1:28am
and Earl... to respond to your contention that saying "the Republicans are "playing games" is a bit one-sided".....sometimes the truth is one sided.... as in Hitler killing the Jews. How are the Jews to blame?

The Republicans are playing games and no matter how many times you try to say the fabrication which by now not even you can possibly believe, it is still only the Republicans who don't give a hoot about anyone besides themselves. The Democrats are very concerned over all the hurt being cause to real people because of the games your party is playing with their lives....

it is so, because all the Republicans have to do, is pass a clean funding bill with no strings attached. The House has the votes to do it.... It just is being held by Boehner while our economy loses what Moody's predicts is $300,000,000 per day....

kavips
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 1:52am
Mike: what Earl doesn't get is democracy. He is a totalitarian buff. Do it my way or face the highway....

Did the Democrats defund the war in Iraq? That is the equivalent of what is being done now. Democrats felt about the war far more sharply than Republicans today feel towards Obamacare.

Did the Democrats defund government when they lacked enough votes to stop the Bush Tax Cuts, probably the biggest mistake ever made by any US Congress, even bigger than Prohibition? They could have. They could have defaulted on the debt just like the Republican today are.

Did the Democrats defund the Government as Reagan totally wrecked the Economy from 1981 thru 1983? No, they compromised, and Reagan went along with it. The difference between Reagan and Boehner, is that Reagan compromised. Today's Republicans exhort.

Only one party has ever shut down government, withheld its funding as a tactile move. Both times, in '95 and now, it was Republicans... They feel they are empowered to do so, because deep in their hearts, they are totalitarians just like Brezhnev, and the exact opposite of being democratically inclined. They act like Stalin; they rule like King George.

But that is not how a democracy works. That IS how totalitarian governments work.

The theory that we should do what the American People because they elected us, has been replaced in their minds by this :

We Republicans will do what the radical 18% of Congress thinks is best....

Earl, Arthur, Rick Jensen, and Mr. Pizza whenever he can get his head unstuck out of the sand, are supporting a Totalitarian State. When I was growing up we called those people Communists... Today's Republicans have replaced them as our TOTALITARIAN threat, and if one is completely honest, they are no different than Timothy McVee who thought he should take the law into his own hands because Democracy wasn't working out the way he wanted, That was the case obviously, because what he wanted, was very bad for America.

JimH
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 10:37am
Obama has a constitutional obligation to present to congress a budget EACH year. He has not done so in the past 4 years. Congress should not pass a continuing resolution to cover his lack of doing his job. The government should remain TOTALLY closed down until he presents a budget. The whole mess is caused by a president who has not done his job. Keep the government closed until he does.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 11:41am
Kavips said, "Did the Democrats defund the war in Iraq? That is the equivalent of what is being done now. Democrats felt about the war far more sharply than Republicans today feel towards Obamacare.

Did the Democrats defund government when they lacked enough votes to stop the Bush Tax Cuts, probably the biggest mistake ever made by any US Congress, even bigger than Prohibition? They could have. They could have defaulted on the debt just like the Republican today are.

Did the Democrats defund the Government as Reagan totally wrecked the Economy from 1981 thru 1983? No, they compromised, and Reagan went along with it. The difference between Reagan and Boehner, is that Reagan compromised. Today's Republicans exhort.

Only one party has ever shut down government, withheld its funding as a tactile move. Both times, in '95 and now, it was Republicans... "

Good commentary Kavips and right on the money.

kavips
Sat, Oct 5, 2013 3:31pm
Jim H. You need to explain yourself. As I told you, and everyone else has told you, the White House sends a budget every year. If you read anything other than Bretbart, you'd know this...

So either you are so mixed up, or we are talking apples and oranges here. That is what I meant by explaining yourself...

What you say is equivalent to saying the sun revolves the earth... something every one knows to be untrue... It is hard to imagine anyone could believe the President has not sent a budget to Congress. I even gave you the links.

Are lies all you have left to defend the Republican Party?

billsmith
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 7:38am
Jim not only lies, he does not know what the BLEEP he is talking about. There is no "constitutional obligation" for the president to send congress a budget every year or at any time. Jim should try reading the constitution someday.
What it says is: "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." II.3
In recent times, presidents have adopted the practice of proposing budgets (asking for money) and proposing legislation but budgeting and legislating are both functions of congress. So is declaring war, for that matter. Even the TPs are willing to embrace the idea of presidential dictatorship (also known as "the unitary executive theory) when one of their own is in and he does what they want.

billsmith
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 7:40am
Maps lie. Africa is bigger than you think. And the US, North America and the European sub-continent (no, it's not really even a continent) are much smaller.

Africa as you've never seen it before: Clever comparison shows it's really as big as China, India, the United States AND most of Europe put together

* Graphic shows Africa is as big as 13 nations and Eastern Europe
* The continent is more than 30m sq km, but this is not reflected in standard Mercator maps
* Biggest nation in terms of landmass is Russia, at more than 17m sq ft

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2445615/True-size-Africa-continent-big-China-India-US-Europe-together.html#ixzz2gwPazipz

mrpizza
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 9:37am
I'm very encouraged by the government shutdown and the fact that there's no end in sight. The real reason there's a shutdown is that the REAL America (you know, the "We the People" mentioned in the preamble to the constitution?) has decided not to be bullied any longer and stand up to the communists on the left who would drag this great nation into tyranny and anarchy.

Ted Cruz rocks!

billsmith
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 10:27am
"We, the people" does not mean you, Pizza, or anyone like you. It was written by the one per cent, for the one per cent. The constitution was written to prevent the "tyranny of the mob." Lately, it's not doing that very well.

Tyranny and anarchy are mutually exclusive. Just shows how stupid you are. Shut up. No wonder so much mail goes to the wrong addresses and pizzas don't arrive within 30 minutes.

kavips
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 12:06pm
Anyone who believes Ted Cruz rocks has residue of rocks cruising through their head.

mrpizza
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 1:45pm
Eh. Why don't you two go live in Somalia?

EarlGrey
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 6:20pm
Seems even the NYT agrees Breitbart is one the rise...
"...a quick glance at national website rankings augurs troubling signs for establishment media and offers further evidence of conservative media's growing popularity. At the time of this report, Alexa, a leading web analytics firm, ranks Breitbart News as the 239th most popular website in America. By comparison, the New York Post, Politico, and Daily Beast websites come in at 276, 315, and 335 respectively. By commercial comparisons, Breitbart News also ranks higher than Delta Airlines, Overstock.com, and Disney.
On Friday, NBC's Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Jessica Taylor said that conservative media have changed the game during the present government shutdown: "One of the major differences between the last shutdown (in 1995-1996) and now is the rise of FOX News, Drudge, and Breitbart News.""

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/28/us/politics/thanks-to-the-digital-revolution-a-conservative-uprising-can-rally-its-troops.html


btw, kavips, if you understand the definition of a totalitarian state then you should understand that is exactly who/what you are cheerleading...the closest political label to describe myself would be a Conservative Libertarian...how does a small government/more individual responsibility mindset equal a totalitarian regime?And one more thing...we are a REPUBLIC not a true democracy...

billsmith
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 6:56pm
I don't need to move, Pizza? I can just wait for you and your ilk to make this country just like Somalia.

Earl: You are no libertarian. Not even close.

mrpizza
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 9:56pm
Hey Bill: You need not wait. Obama has already done it for me!

kavips
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 10:52pm
Because Somalia is being run by Republicans.
Intolerant of other religions
Beating up their women for fun.
Settling everything with guns.

Paradise for Republicans. I'd rather all of you go there and leave the good stuff for us, Mr. Pizza...

Pizza says Obama already did it for him? Well, that says a lot about him; and nothing negative about Obama....

kavips
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 10:59pm
To Earl in rebuttal of his Republican speech: Facts are facts. The actions of the house are totalitarian in nature, not conservative American. You don't have the votes; the government is shut down; that is not what republics do. In a republic the vote is cast and the majority wins. You did see the cover of TIME this week didn't you?

Let me see if I can find it.

http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20131014,00.html

If it is on the cover of TIME, it has to be true. lol. Republicans are fighting majority rule and that makes them totalitarians, no matter how you try to spin your way out of it...

The key word you used to describe yourself, was "individual responsibility." Yet you defend the most "irresponsible" group of people EVER elected to Congress. Tea Party Republicans.

kavips
Sun, Oct 6, 2013 11:02pm
AS for being totalitarian, the only part that speaks of that is the NSA, and in that case, you are entirely right. Obama was so much on the ropes and your side had a chance at gaining the loyalty of the American people, until your party pulled this stunt.

Now we are back in Obama's wagon.... You guys really blew it!

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 8:24am
Kavips: thanks for the link. The first paragraph of the story quickly explains the real problem with the House of Representatives.

It said essentially that America's political parties have divided most of the country into ideological voting districts via gerrymandering of the 435 seats in the House. Fewer than 1 in 5 is truly competitive on election Day. Republicans speak to Republicans, Democrats to Democrats. So why compromise? Your electorate is truly on your side. So the fix is in. No wonder these clowns are so unwilling to compromise and work with the other side of the isle.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2153768,00.html

kavips
Mon, Oct 7, 2013 7:42pm
Which means our gerrymandering has made every Congressional candidate far more concerned with their primary challenge by a nut, than good government for the rest of us....

That says it all.


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