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WDEL Blog: Allan Loudell

Early October Open Forum

I'm off for a few days - driving to the Chicago area to see my mom & attend a high school class reunion (Class of '73, if you must know, so 40th anniversary reunion!) - so I leave you an Open Forum blog for the next few days.

As usual, please try to double-check spelling and grammar, etc., before you post.

Perhaps the partial government shutdown/debt ceiling crisis will be resolved by the time I return, but I expect this to be "Groundhog Day"... unless we get another "kick-the-can-down-the-road"... agreement on a very short-term extension of the debt ceiling.

Posted at 2:05pm on October 8, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

kavips
Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:43pm
It will continue to be Groundhog Day until America kicks all Republicans to the curb..

You heard Boehner. He just doesn't get it.

kavips
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:55am
Allan, While out in Chicago, see if you can get an inside perspective on their educational problems they are in the middle of, because next year, those same problems will be here because of last years passage and signing of HB 165 and SB 51, while everyone here was asleep at the wheel.


EarlGrey
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:09am
Mr. Loudell: Hope you have a great trip/visit...if you wander into "the city" for some Chicago-style pizza pie be safe.

EarlGrey
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:27am
Boehner does "get it"...the prez is starting to lose his PR war waged against the Republicans (Boehner is siding with those he views as "winning" right now, not because he believes the Republicans are right but because he wants to remain in his seat of power).

People are beginning to realize that the ACA is not free and not all that affordable.

They are beginning to see how lousy the ACA is for them personally and in reality...no longer the theoretical version they have been sold over the past few years.

They have also saw how inept this administration was to even launch the HealthCare website properly...a day or two of "bugs" would have been acceptable but the ACA is clearly still in beta-testing and not yet ready for the actual release to the public. Yet, we are to trust them to handle actual cases with real people...not very inspiring start in the trust game.

Even Jon Stewart (journ0list?) is questioning the ACA...he crushed Sebelius on 0bamaCare when she recently went on his show to "promote" the ACA. Jon Stewart vs Sebelius
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/08/stewart-to-sebelius-on-health-care-law-am-i-a-stupid-man/

So, my first question is this...why is it so bad to postpone ACA for regular people (you know the supposedly important Middle Class) for another year? If it's OK to postpone for some for a year...why not postpone for all? For the sake of fairness (or is fairness only a buzzword to this administration?)

My second question is...why was raising the Debt Limit Ceiling so bad when Bush wanted it but is now good/necessary when this president wants it? If this president had governed as he did while a senator in Chicago I believe he could have been a huge success and even had a Clinton-type legacy...that 0bama was against the Debt Ceiling raise, against new wars, promised to end government spying on citizens, promised to close Gitmo, and promised to be the most open administration ever...epic fail on all of the above.

So, to those who try to define why I (and many others) don't find this president to be a great leader...it's his actual policies and actions upon which I base my decision (no more/no less than that).

EarlGrey
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:29am
*self edit*
They have also saw...
They also saw...

billsmith
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:02am
"why is it so bad to postpone ACA?"

Because a lot of people will have to go without health insurance coverage for another year.

"People are beginning to realize that the ACA is not free"

Nobody ever said it was.

"the prez is starting to lose his PR war waged against the Republicans"

Really? In what poll is that? Besides after eight years, they love Mittcare (virtually identical to Obamacare) up in Mass.

The only thing you people really hate about Obamacare is Obama. And clearly you "good Christians" care nothing about people shut out by the current health care system.

Could ACA be improved? Sure. What couldn't? I don't see any actual and practical suggestions coming from you people. Just delay it, defund it or kill it.

EarlGrey
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:32am
bill: What poll? The president's current 37% approval poll for one...it was 41% last week and continues to drop. Congress' approval is even worse for both sides...bottom line, people are sick of politicians making rules for us that they themselves don't have to follow.
"The Associated Press-GfK survey, is out and no one has a reason to gloat, least of all President Obama, whose job approval rating has hit an all time low of 37%, while his disapproval rating rises to 53%."
http://www.examiner.com/article/going-down-obama-approval-hits-37

It's great that Mass. loves MittCare...so why not let each state decide what's best for their citizens? If you don't like it then move to another state. It would also be much easier to change MittCare than ACA since it's only in one state vs all 50 states.

billsmith
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:29pm
Earl: This is not about Obama. It's about ACA, much as you all on the right want to collapse any distinction between the two. I once had a VW. I loved it. That doesn't mean I like Hitler.

Whatever Obama's current approval rating, people say the like ACA. And where essentially this program has been in place for several years, people still like it.

So, Jackcare were to happen, does that mean you'd move? Are you so opposed to all the people being shut out of the health insurance market being able to get coverage? Self employed. Independent contractors. Part-time workers. Unemployed people. People with some so-called "pre-existing" condition. And you don't have to be sick to have a pre-existing condition. Your doc writes down your BP is a bit over the line, or your blood sugar and BAM, no health insurance. If you've never been in any of those situations, you're lucky. If you have no concern about people who are, don't come on here and call yourself a "Christian."

kavips
Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:02pm
Earl... are you not aware Republicans have dropped to a 28 approval level. The lowest EVER IN THE HISTORY OF GALLUP...

Let's review shall we?
Roosevelt 2 more terms
Truman 1 more term..
Ah Ha you say. Dwight Eisenhower 2 Terms... Ok, if you want to count RINO's Lol lol.lol.
Kennedy one term.
Johnson one term
Nixon... again, a RINO by today's standard... 2 terms.
Carter one term.
Reagan. again a RINO by today's standard... 2 terms.
Bush... Big RINO by today's standard... 1 term
Clinton... 2 terms.
And finally your first conservative president since Hoover. Bush "W" 2 terms...

So in all those horrible times for Conservatives when they were use as America's toilet paper, they never were as low as they are today... You are delusional if you think anyone but yourself is supporting Boehner.

And you forgot to mention that Obama's rating is still much higher then Bush "W"'s through out most of his presidency....

No one cares about the ACA. They hate Republicans for not being able to bury dead American soldiers. They hate Republicans for not being able to go to national monuments. They hate Republicans for cutting off their social security checks. They hate Republicans for cutting off their assistance. They hate Republicans for creating salmonella and amoeba epidemics to which there is no cure. They hate Republicans for shutting down what every American has taken for granted all their lives. That America would always be there for them.

Everyone hates Republicans right now. They are completely at fault. You remember how everyone use to make fun to those ghetto mama's who would storm into a classroom, giving the teacher a tongue lashing to defend their criminal son? That is how you and all those supporting any Republican ... look right now...

28%... Which means when you walk to work down the street, 72% of those beside you, really hate your guts

EarlGrey
Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:47am
"And you forgot to mention that Obama's rating is still much higher then Bush "W"'s through out most of his presidency...."

I didn't forget because it's not true...Bush's approval did go below O's current polling numbers but he also had the press bashing him every opportunity they had...if the press turns on this president his numbers will drop into the teens.

Republicans are receiving a majority of the blame for this government shutdown but no one in this is smelling like roses...Congressional approval is only 5% and the president is being blamed as well (as his numbers show).

bill: I actually do care about people's healthcare...that is why I am so opposed to the ACA. Fix the healthcare we had and more people could receive better healthcare. Why you believe ACA will be better I don't know...most of the promises made about the ACA have already been proven to be lies. Did you happen to catch Kathleen Sebelius on the Jon Stewart show?...even Liberal Stewart is insulted by the lies being told.

kavips
Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:25am
First off, Earl, the reason Bush had lower figures is not because of the press. It is because people didn't approve of Republicanism.

Even when your party put in a Maverick who picked a beauty queen as his most trusted choice to run America in his absence, you still met with the lowest approval figures the Republicans could barely muster.

When are you going to fact reality and accept you live in a dream world? What you offer is crap.

Obama is not more popular than Bush because of press coverage. He is more popular because he is more in tune with what people want.

Again, get out of your dream world and come back down to reality.

billsmith
Thu, Oct 10, 2013 1:05pm
Earl: What "lies?" "Fix" how?
What's wrong with the current system? The high cost of individuals buying insurance and all the people who get turned down. ACA specifically fixes those. What else is wrong (and not fixed)?
Again, you tea people offered no alternative to ACA. At least Newt offered an alternative to Hillarycare. And guess what? It looked just like Mittcare and Obamacare.

EarlGrey
Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:29pm
Bill: Since you apparently don't bother to read the posts of others...I'm not wasting my time by repeating any of my previous postings that have answered your questions.

kavips: the "Maverick" was a Moderate...just as Romney and the last many GOP offerings were. Maybe the Tea Party will gain enough power to run an actual Maverick in 2016.
You are gulping too much of the FlavorAid if you really think the press coverage for Bush and Obama are remotely the same and have nothing to do with their poll numbers. Without the friendly press this current president would have been toast after one term...

billsmith
Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:03pm
Earl: Cop out! I have read your posts. I don't believe most of it and I commit little of it to memory. And I certainly don't go read the links to right-wing blogs you post, which are full of lies.

Why not tell the truth for a change? Just admit you have no rational basis for your hate and anger directed at Obama and anything you associate with him. Admit you don't care about anybody else and you are just a selfish geezer.

kavips
Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:09pm
This cartoon pretty well describes the shutdown...




EarlGrey
Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:03am
kavips: funny cartoon...if only the collapsed railroad bridge a little further to the right were visible...then we would have the "full picture" on this issue ;)

bill: Since you don't believe any of the "right-wing" links do you at least believe the Jon Stewart interview with Kathleen Sebelius? I'm pretty sure Stewart is not a Tea Party or GOP type ;)
And no, I am actually not selfish, I simply don't trust the liars (or completely incompetent) in charge of ACA to successfully help more people rather than harm. They couldn't even successfully launch the website yet they are to be trusted with our personal healthcare? They are incompetent and not to be trusted...yet you and kavips fully trust them.

cocobean
Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:31pm

billsmith
Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:01pm
Earl: I don't trust anybody. I certainly don't trust Brietbart, the Moonies, Fox, Drudge, Rush, Jensen, Loudell or the other right-wing nut jobs you keep quoting.

However, the website problems are the result of the conditions imposed on government contractors. The best vendors in any field won't bid on government jobs. You want to blame Obama, of course, but Congress makes those rules.

kavips
Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:02pm
Earl. you didn't post a link and the ones I found had the audience applauding wildly for Obamacare. I was saying, surely Earl doesn't mean this

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-23-2012/exclusive---kathleen-sebelius-extended-interview-pt--1

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-23-2012/exclusive---kathleen-sebelius-extended-interview-pt--2

Or was it this interview from 2009!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-15-2009/kathleen-sebelius-pt--1

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-15-2009/kathleen-sebelius-pt--2

Obamacare got huge applause lines on both of these...

Ok.. so I looked above, found you did post a link, looked it up and found what you are saying is a horrible indictment of Obamacare.. I watched it, and now seriously wonder if you are certifiably crazy. For there was nothing horrible about Obamacare inside it. In fact the biggest applause lines came from Jon Stewart promoting Single Payer as the way to go, and that what was messed up with the Affordable Healthcare act was its insistence that it be privately run, that state's influence their own jurisdictions, and "that insistence" he said, would be the Achilles Heel that would doom Obamacare. In his words, "
Get businesses out of health insurance; Get the government in." if you want this to work at all...

Surely that is not what Earl is promoting I wondered out loud!!

Looking over the hype that this showing generated, all from extremely crazy right wing websites, (the same ones calling for keeping the government shut down entirely until the President voluntarily resigns), it appears that they, and apparently you, didn't watch the episode and just went off helter-skelter over the headlines...

Below was in the show and seriously, how can anyone say Obamacare like this is awful?

"The great news is we have a terrific market; for the first time people can pick and choose what insurance plans they want to apply for, insurance companies have to play by new rules, no one can be denied coverage, and for about 85% of us, we don't have to sign up for anything, because we are already covered by our employers. "

I'm hearing this and thinking ... "Is Earl really that crazy, that he thinks all this is bad?" That sounds like a great thing to me...

And to your acknowledgement of the "great cartoon"... Remember it is only you who say there is a broken down bridge off the screen of that cartoon. From the evidence, there is none. Only you. So, what if there isn't? What if that broken bridge never existed? Huh?

Obviously if there is one and we come to it, we will have some warning and be able to slow the train down.

But that still doesn't excuse Ted Cruz and the absolutely idiotic Tea Party and those 3 people who still believe they amount to anything, from shutting down the government and taking hostage those millions of people affected by the shutdown... all over a train that left the station a long, long time ago.... and no one knew why they are doing it...

Until now. Thanks to Earl who explains the bridge metaphor so well...

There might be! There could be! Everything is possible so we can't rule it out! A bridge somewhere might be out! Somewhere at some random point somewhere in the future, somewhere up the line...

Ha. ha. So it looks like when the people of America get the chance to see both sides of an issue, they choose the right side after all.

Once again, as with absolutely everything that has ever been postulated by each and every Republican politician... they are wrong and huge jokes for their continued steadfast belief in themselves being wrong, because like the wearing of pants hanging off their butts to show their underwear, they think it is sooooooo cool to be sooooooo wrong...

Cue Mr. Pizza ..... now.

billsmith
Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:39pm
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The Koch Brothers are the financial force behind the Tea Party. Their daddy was behind the John Birch Society.

NPR had an interview this week on 'Dallas 1963,' A City Of Rage, Seized By 'Civic Hysteria'. The city Kennedy visited sounds a lot like the world we live in now.

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/09/228181831/in-dallas-1963-a-city-of-rage-seized-by-civic-hysteria

kavips
Sat, Oct 12, 2013 6:51pm
It will continue to be Groundhog Day until America kicks all Republicans to the curb..

kavips
Sat, Oct 12, 2013 6:58pm
Let's hope more journalists do the same.

LA Times has quietly cut off all climate deniers in their letters to the editor. IT IS ABOUT TIME... This is what good journalism is. (Foreign journalists practice it all the time). Choosing between fact and fiction and only reporting fact....

Here is what was quoted...

"Simply put, I (the LA Times editor) do my best to keep errors of fact off the letters page; when one does run, a correction is published," Thornton said. "Saying 'there's no sign humans have caused climate change' is not stating an opinion, it's asserting a factual inaccuracy."

"Popular Science" had previously said it would not publish similar factual inaccuracies...

Hey guys.. May you can still get it published in Breitbart. I hear they are so desparate that they will publish anything!... lol.

kavips
Sat, Oct 12, 2013 7:03pm
I just saw on Breitbart that if middle age men lick a lollipop backwards, they won't go bald in old age!... Who knew? One can learn a lot on Breitbart....

kavips
Sat, Oct 12, 2013 9:46pm
I guess the time as passed so I can officially say that this summer I didn't not see a single Monarch Butterfly. That has never happened before. Are they extinct?

kavips
Sat, Oct 12, 2013 9:47pm
Oh my double negative... "did not" was the appropriate phrase.

kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 8:43am
On another note, here is an interesting take. The Republican states were groaning loudly that the parks were costing them business, and it turns out, tourism is a major source of their income.

The Republicans statewide aren't in agreement with Ted Cruz at all. He is killing their economies.

For guess what? When your state takes more from the Federal Government than it pays up in taxes, when that Federal Government shuts down... you are hurting....

What we are seeing is the death of the huge lie... that government IS the problem. People in red states are beginning to see the reality, that if government was supposedly so bad, why did things get worse when it shut down? Have they been lied to all these years?

Right now, all those tea partiers are going through a stage of second guessing... If the Federal Government was so rotten, how come I can't wait for it to open back up?

Those very people who forced the government shutdown, are now.... shhhhhh, being very quiet.... hoping no one will remember it was the Tea Party who forced the shutdown, and the Republicans who willingly closed ranks with them to make it happen....

America is waking up to the possibility, and polls are certainly showing it, (even though one should not look too hard at polls ever), that having all Democrats would have been a much better solution than ever voting for someone so petty, that when they find themselves outnumbered, they shut the American government down....

Gee... I don't hear anyone on this thread saying how proud they are to be a Republican right now... Gee, why is that?

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 9:05am
Kavips: Good points in you post above.

I've seen some Monarch's this year. Actually have seen more butterflies this year than have in recent past. My wife has planted flowers that attract butterflies, so that might have something to do with us seeing more.

kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 9:16am
Someone reminded me of the huge redneck trucker meltdown that was supposed to occur in DC this weekend, with millions of truckers descending upon the beltway and "arresting members of Congress for violating the Constitution."

It appears that there were four, who after being pulled over by the police as the demonstration began at 8:50 in the morning, suddenly realized what a moving violation would do to their livelihood, and packed up and left. The police just warned them, no summations were given. (DC is a democratically controlled town, and operates under Democratic values.)

kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 9:18am
I am glad Monarchs are not extinct. And yes, there were a lot of yellow Eastern Tiger Swallowtails this year, for some reason. But I wondered if it were a subjective contrast, because I was looking so hard for the Monarchs which weren't there.

kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:06pm
Changing the subject again. It appears that on October the first, the House adopted a resolution that forbids any member of the house from offering up the senate resolution, except for the speaker and / or his designee... From C-Span:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

This is about as communistic as it gets, ladies and gentlemen, brought to you by our local inbred communists. the Republicans and the Tea Party....


kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:09pm
And speaking of the breakdown of Conservatives across the board, the 2 million march on Washington, gave up about 200.

That puts them 1,999,800 short.... Lol...

Keep in mind this has been pushed by Fox News for over two weeks... Every 10 minutes they mention it...

And they got... 200 What a bunch of losers!

kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:15pm
While I'm here, the Social Security Administration sent out notices that if the default goes through, Social Security checks will not be forthcoming...

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/encore/2013/10/07/social-security-issues-debt-ceiling-warning/

Make sure you post your thank you's to all those who have supported the Republicans and their philosophy over these past two decades... Every one of them is just as guilty as any Tea Party associate for shutting down the government and pushing us over the default cliff.

The could pass a CR and fix it right now.

kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:16pm
Not to mention your 401K's lose half their value by this time next week... provided the default takes place.

Thank you Republican Party of the USA...

kavips
Sun, Oct 13, 2013 11:22pm
Above I just saw I was in error. I typed in Speaker when it should have read the majority Leader (Eric Cantor) would be the only one who could offer the clean Senate resolution up for a vote by the full House.

kavips
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:54am
And further more, I'm remembering how some people on this thread were very gung ho over Paul Ryan being the VP.. In fact, I didn't go back to look, but I do remember one person here totally overjoyed at Romney's selection, boasting.."we're going to win for sure, now."

In the House GOP Caucus, Ryan created a great stir when whipping up the Tea Party frenzy, he said that "what ever the Senate sent back, the Republicans needed to vote it down." He was referring to the Collins Compromise, which Reid had already turned down.

But even politicos were shocked that it was all about leverage to Ryan, that closing the government, shocking the global economies, were prices he willing to undergo in order to have some leverage to enact things only he wanted.

All I can say... is I told you so... over a year ago... But noooooooo, you were delusional.....

kavips
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:33am
Over the weekend, Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin rallied in the Mall against the backdrop of the Confederate Flag.

Proving their hype is all about race; nothing more, nothing less. They just can't stand a person of color being over them, telling them what they should do.

That is all this mess was about from the very beginning.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:34am
Kavips: If Mitt Romney had stayed the same Mitt Romney who governed Mass, rather than the pretend TEA Mitt Romney he tried to become during the election, we very possibly would be discussing President Romney's policies rather than Obama's.

Romney unfortunately didn't seem to have the confidence in his accomplishments and governing style that worked so well for him in Mass to put forth that same vision for the nation against the TEA forces that have hijacked the GOP.

Unlike Romney, Chris Christie doesn't seem to have such a hang up. He'll tell it like it is, and he won't suck up to the TEA folks.

Right now the bigger issue is the GOP is shooting themselves in the foot with this debt/shutdown/Obamacare mess they've created, 2014 might be where the DEMS retake control of the House, thus making 2016 a bit more difficult for the GOP, especially if Hillary is the DEM candidate.

kavips
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:38am
Mike, pretty much agree with you that the problem is not the candidates themselves... it is their bending over backwards to appease those weirdos in their own party...

Romney as a governor was a balanced person. Christie has butted heads with the establishment and upon seeing how the establishment is ranked in todays polls, it was a very good move for him to bust on them early.... No one can say he is a poll follower...

kavips
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:41am
Is it must me... or has this thread become one sided.

Where did all the Republicans go?......

What on earth have they found so important under the sand?

billsmith
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:55am
Without Loudell pandering to them, stirring up the crazies and feeding them red meat, the wing-nuts just don't bother to show up.
The post office is closed today. You'd think at least Pizza would have time on his hands.

Yesterday, head of the IMF raised the possibility that tea tactics will plunge the world into The Second Depression. And the Republicans will get the blame. The last time they had a depression and got blamed, they were shut out of power for decades. Some people just don't learn.

mrpizza
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 12:49pm
Hey Bill, you meant right-wing host Limbaugh, right?

Forget the Democrats. Forget the Republicans. The TEA "bigots"
(that's "we the people" for those of you in Rio Linda) are prevailing and will ultimately rescue this great nation from communism.

EarlGrey
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 2:15pm
"Is it must me... or has this thread become one sided.
Where did all the Republicans go?..."


I didn't want to interrupt your fun kavips...you were on a role ;)

And, I'll have to agree with mrpizza...Loudell is nothing close to right wing. You know he's doing his reporting properly when neither the left nor the right here always agree with his comments/opinions...I know I don't agree with a good portion of Allan's points-of-view.

billsmith
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:22pm
"You know he's doing his reporting properly when neither the left nor the right here always agree with his comments/opinions."

The media hos' cop out. They so distort things nobody can recognize it and then call it "objectivity,"

Pizza, you show that Tea Tards are so stupid that they can't have an original thought. You parrot Rush. Joe the Plumber steals from some blog and posts that "America wants a White Republican president." Is thinking really so hard for you people? I guess that's why you let wing-nuts like El Rushbo Limburger, Dim-bulbbart, Loudell and Psycho Jensen do it for you.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:31pm
EarlGrey and Mrpizza: I agree, Allan's not a right-winger. Jensen is, but not Allan.

With folks like Jensen, Rush, etc, etc, you can pre-write their scripts as they are sooooo predictible, but not Allan. He's pro-life, yet anti-death-penalty [conservative on one issue and liberal on the other], just as an example.

Oddly both those points-of-view make more sense given an attitude of not wanting to kill any life, which is where I believe Allan is coming from thus pro-life, anti-death-penalty. So it is logical that he's pro-life and anti-death penalty.

The only thing I can truly say Allan is very predictible in saying is, he really does love the "Groundhog Day" analogy. He uses it quite a lot in his posts here. Frankly I didn't think that movie was all that great.

kavips
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:55pm
Glad to see two of our Conservative regulars did not do the unthinkable in their despondency. Just need Jim H to check in now...to know all are still alive.

With this crises everyone is looking at how this could have happened. There are some good articles out there on the press's role in this.

Their take is that the press in trying to look even handed, did not call the crazies crazy soon enough, thereby emboldening them with the delusion they had more clout than they had.

"Both parties use the traditional media in an attempt to get some advantage, allowing each side to make its case over issues and matters of ideology. The problem is when politicians or their operatives blatantly lie to attempt to get their point across. In that case the media’s role is not to be balanced—it is to inform the citizens of the lies and misinformation."

And that is what making a false equivalence does. For example: we know Hitler was bad. But Germans between 1932-1945 didn't know that. It was not allowed to be reported.

The same thing happens here. Perhaps it is to appear impartial. But when you go from let's get the Republicans side on this story (which is good), to... lets make this piece balanced down the middle between Republicans and Democrats, if you have to boost more weight to either one side or the other to create that equality, you are creating the false equivalency. When two things are not equal, yet you make them so, you are in essence, portraying a mis-truth...

And the GOP appears to have misjudged those mis-truths, coming to believe them to be real.

Reporting Mitch McConnell states that Americans don't want Obamacare without reporting that only 25% of America thinks it should be eradicated, and 75% want it approved, emboldens the Republicans into thinking that if they shut down the government, all of America will fall on their side.

Didn't work out that way. This entire experience among other things, happened because the media is fraught to call a Republican dork, a dork. Not all Republicans are dorks, but when one is, not pointing it out, conveys a lie as being the truth.

Whereas Al is completely unbiased in his interpretations on the air, Rick on the other hand, is completely manipulative of what facts he mentions, and creates some very imaginative scaffolding to pull the pieces together. Of course both of those trade in opinions; they are after all, "entertainment" shows.

The real news however needs to call spades spades, diamonds diamonds, hearts hearts, and not be afraid to use the club over the heads of Republicans who immensely deserve it.


Mike from Delaware
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:01pm
Kavips: I agree with much you wrote, but feel compelled to make one change, it's not just the GOP, it is DEMS too. Granted at this very moment the GOP seems to be the major problem, the Dems aren't pure as the driven snow either. The Tea faction of the GOP have become such extremists much like the hippie anti-war faction of the Dems back during Viet Nam. So neither party is without fault. The GOP has been hijacked by the Tea folks much like the Dem party of 1968 was hijacked by the hippie crowd. Just as the Dems lost to Tricky Dick Nixon so the GOP will probably lose to the Dems in 2014 & 2016 if they don't regain control of their party soon. The GOP imploding isn't something to be gleeful over, our system of government works best when both parties are working together to bring out the best of both sides of a plan. Reagan/Tip O'neal, Clinton / Gingrich are two great examples of this. This should have Obama/ Bohner, but instead we're deadlocked going nowhere. Bohner apparently is no O'neal or Gingrich & that's a real tragedy as we'll all suffer due to his lack of leadership.

mrpizza
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:11pm
MFD: to the contrary. The TEA party has emerged as the only thing in politics that even resembles sanity. Of course, I'm proud to be a supporter, and I send my dollars there, not to the establishment Republicans. In fact, I consider Boehner and McConnell to be traitors along the same lines as Arlen Specter and Lindsay Graham, and let's don't forget that turncoat Christie. My new heroes are Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, and I believe they will ultimately prevail, if not in 2014, then in 2016 for sure.

GO TEA BIGOTS!

EarlGrey
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:40pm
It's funny how everyone here sees this playing out so differently...everyone seems to see their "team" winning.

Reality is politicians are playing politics as we the "lowly pawns" pay for their royal lifestyles...that's why Congressional approval (both sides) is down to 5%.
We need TERM LIMITS! Vote the old timers out.

EarlGrey
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:50pm
"Whereas Al is completely unbiased in his interpretations on the air, Rick on the other hand, is completely manipulative of what facts he mentions, and creates some very imaginative scaffolding to pull the pieces together."
Did WDEL hire a new Al? The only person with that name that I've heard on the air is nothing close to unbiased...not saying Rick isn't biased but really now...Al?

EarlGrey
Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:59pm
...sorry, were you referring to "Al" Loudell or Al Mascitti?

Loudell (very professional/unbiased)...Mascitti (neither)

kavips
Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:39am
Mascitti... :)

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:59am
I agree EarlGrey, Al Mascitti has his biased views [his anti-Christian rants are a real turn-off to me and usually when I go to WWTX 1290 for some Sports Talk or to NPR], but in terms of looking at the issues, he takes more of a reporter's approach. He'll look at both sides of the issue [generally does favor a more liberal, or sometimes, a moderate answer], but at least he discusses the other side's ideas without totally foaming at the mouth as Jensen, elRushbo, etc., do when discussing the DEMS. I've heard Mascitti give praise to the G.O.P. at times; I've NEVER heard Jensen, elRushbo, etc., give praise to a DEM.

So yes, Mascitti is biased, but he at least has studied the issues [the former reporter still digs into the issues which makes his show far more interesting for my ear], whereas Jensen, elRushbo, etc., are just reciting talking points from their party masters. I'm surprised that we don't hear at the beginning of their shows:[cue deep voiced announcer ] The following program is a paid informercial from the Republican National Party of the United States [cue Jensen's or elRushbo's bumper music].

So to each his/her own. Other than Mascitti's anti-Christian rants, and his gossipy Hollyweird Friday show, I prefer Masscitt's show to Jensen's. I realize you prefer the opposite. So WDEL makes both of us happy and gets both sets of ears. Whereas if the morning talker was another Rush wannabe, I'd only listen to WDEL for News / Weather / Info, Allan's newsblocks, and Eagles/Phillies/National Sports broadcasts, but would go elsewhere for any talk programming [I haven't listen to WILM for months; took their station off the presets on my car radio for that exact reason].

EarlGrey
Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:03am
Actually Mike...the only person I regularly listen to on WDEL is Allan Loudell.

Listening to Jensen is like listening to Delaware's version of Sean Hannity, and Mascitti would be the small-town version of Al Sharpton ;)


So, I catch both occasionally (I do like Thirsty Thursdays with Rick) but definitely am not listening to either one of them every day of the week.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:34am
EarlGrey: Me too. I never listen to Rick [sounds like Sean Hannity, good comment I agree, if I wanted that I could tune in to elRushbo or Hannity why go with the minor league wannabe].

I sometimes tune in Al, but less than I used to due to his anti-Christian rantings, maybe Al's trying to be a Bill Maher wannabe. I guess Al, just like Maher, doesn't realize that Christians can be other things besides conservative or Republican. Sharpton always comes across to my ear as a slick and shady used car salesmen, Al Mascitti doesn't strike me that way.

I most consistantly tune in for Allan's Noon time newsblock / interviews/ Dave Ross Commentary, also Phillies / Eagles / traffic updates in AM/PM drive.


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