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Virginia Gubernatorial election settles nothing in G.O.P.'s intraparty war

It's amazing how elections often settle little. Or nothing.

Take the Virginia Governor's race. Each side within the G.O.P. is drawing its own lessons from the fairly narrow Democratic win.

One starts to wonder: Could ANY race for Governor or the Presidency produce such a bold, definitive outcome that one side or the other would have to concede?

From POLITICO:


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/virginia-election-results-2013-gop-ken-cuccinelli-99508.html?hp=t1

Posted at 7:45am on November 7, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:19am
Interesting article. Yes, the G.O.P. is splintered and not a unified party as the DEMS tend to be, especially during elections. As many of the younger voters, who want no taxes [a conservative issue], while other young voters who want pot legalized and/or LGBT issues [both liberal issues] were drawn towards the third-party Libertarian candidate, which took away votes from both DEM and G.O.P. candidates. It would be interesting to see the breakdown of voters for the Libertarian.

EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:11am
Interesting article.

I think that the one who made the biggest mistake in the VA race was Chris Christie. Had Christie dropped by to support Cuccinelli (1). He could have helped garner some support from the Tea Party and the Republican base (which he needs if he really wants to win in 2016) and (2). He could have helped turn VA over to a Republican governor...which would have really helped the Republicans in 2016. But Christie decided to snub the Tea Party for a short-term win...while failing to see the longer plan.

kavips
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:35am
Earl. You forget so fast how much the Tea Party hates Christie. Called him a RINO. Wouldn't allow Federal funds after Hurricane Sandy...

You are like a silly child. The Tea Party is a stupid mens club sort of like the Water Buffalos in the ancient TV cartoon show the Flintstones.

They show up in lodges, do their silly rituals, huff and puff, then go home. Christie was very wise not to pander its leftover medical waste now washing up on political shores everywhere....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-6-2013/the-best-f--king-news-team-ever---the-election-speculometer

Jon Stewart did the above revealing skit last night, (which I read, since in this day and age one doesn't have time to waste on videos), where he correctly assesses through his use of video clips, that today's news media spends 2 years speculating about an election, 10 minutes reporting on the actual results, and immediately speculates on the next election.

Why does anyone watch these guys?

He then has his news team speculate some crazy stuff, leading up to the punch line, "we can say what we want because there aren't any consequences for being wrong.."

We then see a segment of very wrong predictions... My favorite was Chris Matthews spouting 2008 would be between Guiliani and Hillary Clinton.....

Point is: who cares what John King thinks? Who cares what Bill O'Reilly thinks? Who cares what Chris Matthews thinks?

Far more relevant to all of us, is what those living in our development think....

Which is probably why I like the news on this station, because at least they get out into the community and ask questions of people I really want and need to actually hear from...

It was this stations award winning local election day coverage that made me think of that btw.

EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:52am
"Earl. You forget so fast how much the Tea Party hates Christie. Called him a RINO. Wouldn't allow Federal funds after Hurricane Sandy.."

kavips: To me, Christie is a RINO, but if he plans to win in 2016, he NEEDS those "crazy right-wingers" to show up on election day... but he just blew a win-win scenario for himself by refusing to go to VA for a quick photo-op to support a fellow REPUBLICAN.

We will see how "dead" the Tea Party is in 2014...there are quite a few 'old guard' Republicans in both the Senate and the House who fear for their jobs (as well they should).


EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 11:18am
Taking a step away from politics...is anyone watching the Billy Graham special tonight?
It is his 95th birthday today and this is supposedly his last sermon.
http://watchbillygraham.com/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=MHANov&QR=168&BA=3029&SOURCE=BY13BVGGBhttp://watchbillygraham.com/?utm_source=Bing&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=MHANov&QR=290&BA=3047&SOURCE=BY13BVBIN

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 1:22pm
EarlGrey: I hope to remember to tune in to see it tonight on TBN at 8pm. Thanks for the reminder.

kavips
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:47pm
Earl. I know to you Christie is a RINO. Since the Tea Party is soon to be extinct, that would make you and Mr. Pizza, ... a DINO (as in soon to be extinct.... )

kavips
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:15pm
Just looking at the dates and doing some math.... Billy Graham was born. And on the third day... the Armistice was signed....

He was against segregation early, I was surprised to find. Often telling his southern stadiums to remove the barriers separating blacks from whites or he wasn't preaching.

I was surprised to find he was rebellious as a teenager, almost getting expelled from Bob Jones University for not following all the rules. He credits Bob Jones Sr for saying this to him:

"At best, all you could amount to would be a poor country Baptist preacher somewhere out in the sticks.... You have a voice that pulls. God can use that voice of yours. He can use it mightily."

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:24pm
Kavips: I believe you have mis-read the tea leaves. What will probably happen will be the TEA movement with the large financial resources of the Grover Norquist's of the far right & right-wing talk radio doing what they've done in the past elections. Christie won't end up getting the G.O.P. nomination. One of the TEA darlings like ole' Texas Cruz or Rand Paul, etc., will get the nod. This will be good for you, a DEM, because then Hillary will win easily.

Theoretically the Dems might get their hat handed to them in 2016, but that will depend on whether or not Obamacare is making people happy by then. Obviously the Dems are counting on it, while the G.O.P. / TEA folks are hoping the opposite.

The G.O.P will probably run on getting rid of Obamacare, so whether folks are happy with it will make a difference in that election.

But my guess is the TEA party will continue to have its stranglehold on the G.O.P for the foreseeable future. Follow the money. This bodes well for the Dems.

mrpizza
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:26pm
MFD: You're more optimistic than I am about Ted Cruz getting the nomination, but I hope you're right anyway.

Sorry, but I'm all or nothing this time around. If the Democrats get re-elected in '14 and/or '16, then this country deserves to go to hell in a handbasket.

kavips
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:55pm
Of course support for the Tea Party is strong here. We have 3 supporters who write regularly... But that is odd. On the street, the Tea Party is the seen as the sole reason things aren't working in Congress.

Mike said I'd be happy if Cruz was nominated because Hillary would win easily. Because of gerrymandering that would make little difference. Hillary would still face a gerrymandered House, which probably will still be Republican. If so, it makes little difference if the President is Democratic or Libertarian.

Again there is no way a Tea Party candidate can ever win a general election. Too many Americans are urban. The same split will occur just as with Romney. Maybe even North Carolina will swing back to blue.. There just are not enough rural votes in America for a Tea party Person to EVER win.

If Romney couldn't win, no conservative can. Christie could. He would be like Teddy Roosevelt versus Alton Parker in 1904. That is the only hope any Republican has of seeing someone of their party in the White House right now...

I expect them all to try. and the usual battles within the Republican party will be settled in Florida again by who puts down the most money, and we go on from there.

Both Republican and Democratic fields are pretty pathetic at this point, with the exception of Christie. And the only reason he breaks the mold is because he went to a good school, unlike everyone else, except for Joe Biden....

The best thing however is for the Tea Party and Republicans accept reality and become two separate parties. It won't happen at the top, but it could happen from the bottom up, and the top would just have to accept the status quo.

Having 3 parties in the House, changes the House from being an institution of saying only "no" to the Senate bipartisanship bills coming across, over to being an institution where you need to win allies on every bill, or your district loses contracts big time. Forced cooperation would be good for those guys I think.....


EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 7, 2013 11:54pm
The Tea Party doesn't want to be a Third Party, they want to take back the Republican party and send the career politicians to the retirement home.
Again, the TEA (taxed enough already) Party is more of an ideology than an actual organized political party...believe it or not (unlike the skull & crossbones elites) there are no secret handshakes or secret societies...just Americans who value the Constitution and want to live their lives without government-involvement in every segment of life.

Maybe that's why the Tea Party is still alive and Occupy WallStreet is nothing but a sad memory...already forgotten by most.

And, even though Hillary is the presumed Democrat candidate, I'm not completely sure she will win the primary...my crazy prediction is that someone younger and more vibrant steals the show from her again...maybe someone like the former Green Jobs Czar...Van Jones.

EarlGrey
Fri, Nov 8, 2013 12:09am
"After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor. While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_cruz


Oh no...this crazy Tea Partier went to Princeton AND Harvard! But how can that be?...I thought all Tea Partiers were uneducated hillbillies? ;)

mrpizza
Fri, Nov 8, 2013 12:47am
Kavips: Can you explain to me how the TEA party is the problem when it's the Democrats (your party) that's in power?
Huh?

kavips
Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:28am
Sure... Watch this Republican Ad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53GKkGTBYE

Even our beloved Christine is featured... :)

mrpizza
Sat, Nov 9, 2013 9:28am
Okay Kavips, I'll concede that. But consider this: There are plenty of idiots in your party that say things much worse and much more stupid.

The difference: Only the left can get away with everything from dumb remarks to full-blown murder.

mrpizza
Sat, Nov 9, 2013 9:34am
I should also add that the "problem" you're talking about in this case is the TEA party's inability to win. The problem I was referring to was the current political situation, which can only be controlled by those currently in power, especially the Obama totalitarian dictatorship.

Very sad that good Christian people like Mike from Delaware continue to fall for this ungodly "bipartisan" crap.

kavips
Sun, Nov 10, 2013 1:33am
Mr. Pizza... Eat some cheese.

Since there are plenty of idiots.... it makes sense that both parties should have some.

The difference, and I think almost all of America that matters (53%) would agree that the Republican Party is the Party of Stupid, where the stupids have controlling rights because they are in majority control of the party, and the Democrats tend to operate on logic, philanthropy, and care and concern for their fellow Americans.

Put simply, the Republicans only care about the Republican Party. The Democrats care about the rest of America... In a context you can understand, Republicans = Stalin; Democrats = Gorbachev.

And true. The Tea Party cannot win. Time for the Republicans to sign on behind Christie, and cut the Tea Party off as a third party... and let them flap around in the wind.

And Earl.. You brag on the smarts of your leader who cares not one bit about you except for your vote? Well, I don't have the credentials he does, and even I know that if you become the leader of really dumb crazy people who send you money each time you act crazy and throw your hands up in the air.... you had better throw up your hands in the air a lot and act real crazy...

You are being played. That is all. He is simply the Texas version of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad......

There are only two issues on which the Democrats are vulnerable and no Republican is touching either of them. So that means they aren't serious.

Because they aren't playing, it is pretty clear you are being played like a fiddle by the American Mahmoud Ahmadinejad....

mrpizza
Sun, Nov 10, 2013 3:06am
Oh well. At least I didn't vote for Fidel Castro-Obama.

kavips
Sun, Nov 10, 2013 10:55am
Which is why you, as all other Tea Partiers, are being marginalized right now. You don't matter. Gov. Christie does because he is a moderate, and not a kook.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Nov 10, 2013 1:31pm
Sadly, both sides are wrong and neither side is correct. The truth as I understand it, comes from both sides, but not totally from either side. Thus the reason I'm a registered Independent.

Mrpizza, one of the reason's I'm not a Republican is that party's lack of compassion for the lesser than thee, which is a direct contradiction of what we read and see in Jesus. The GOP is far too worried about some poor person who may be getting a couple bucks that they may not be totally qualified for in the SNAP [Food Stamp program] while ignoring the Billionaires who are racking in the big bucks from government gimmes to them as they get tax breaks by the barrel full. Jesus' approach was tad bit different.

The other issue is the GOP wanting to force THEIR beliefs on those who don't share those beliefs. Nowhere in the Bible do I see Jesus putting people into a stranglehold and saying repent heathen [interesting side note: during the Roman times, they called the Christian's the heathens, sadly later the Christians adopted that term for non-believers]. Jesus simply presented himself, lived his life going about doing the Father's business, and those who CHOSE to follow, were his followers /students [Disciples] those who blew it off, weren't.

Same with Peter, Paul, James, etc. They taught what Jesus said, lived as Jesus did and those who followed were new Disciples and those who didn't weren't and usually were the one's in that town throwing stones at THEM. Peter, Paul, James, etc, didn't throw stones at the sinners [and example, Westboro Baptists somehow missed this part of the Gospel].

The DEMS, on the other hand, while having a heart for the lesser than thee, want to ignore and say sin is OK, and bash those who do not see it that way. This is a fine line, as they are a "secular" group, not a church group. So as the ancient Roman government allowed all sorts of orgies, etc, so sadly our "secular" government is doing that today too.

The bigger problem I see with the DEMS is that they aren't just happy to legislate in the secular these "freedoms" to allow any and all "behavior", many on their side want to rid society of the church and the teachings of Jesus, by not allowing their voice to be heard in the public square and if they could, they'd close down all the churches to eliminate this teaching. Obviously, as a follower of Jesus, I'm not remotely in favor of this, so as I can accept the idea of Civil Unions via the Justice of the Peace, I realize the agenda does goes further and their ultimate goal is to rid America of any Christian influence in our society, much as ancient Rome chose to do under Nero.

So both sides of the isle are intolerant of folks who do not see things as they do. From where I sit, each church should decide whether or not they'll allow gay/lesbian marriage and ordination without the government having anything to say about it. The government should be free to allow their civil version if they choose and as of today 16 states are doing that, which is their choice.

The Church should be loving ALL people as Christ did, not condemning, but saying as Jesus said: I do not condemn you, BUT go and sin no more as they teach God's truth, but not as judges with a heavy hand, but as Jesus did with love and compassion. When I sin, I want the love, grace, compassion, AND forgiveness Christ has for me. How can we do less for others?

So for these reasons, I'm neither DEM or GOP. Didn't mean to get preachy, but it goes to this sort of bedrock belief for me.

mrpizza
Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:46am
MFD: You're wrong about the Republicans not having compassion. The fact is, conservatives have real compassion because we believe in teaching people to fish, not just giving them a fish. The Democrats have been handing out fish to the poor for generations and as a result have just made more people poor. In fact, this is by design because they need to expand the underclass in order to keep their hold on power. The left exploits the "lesser than thee" for their own selfish agenda.

Sorry, but there are a lot of evil people in Washington who make a pretense of caring about the common man. They've brainwashed people to pray "Our Father, who art in Washington, powerful be thy name. Thy dictatorship come, thy slavery be done, to America as it is in China."

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:52am
The "Give a man a fish" vs. "Teach the man to fish" is an interesting one. Problem is, the DEMS would love to have programs out there to teach workers new updated skills so they could go after some of these jobs American corporations say can't find qualified Americans to fill, BUT the TEA/G.O.P. isn't about that, they say NO.

So until we can teach the man to fish, we've got to keep giving him a fish, or he and his family would starve.

EarlGrey
Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:16am
It's interesting how much the Left fears Cruz and embraces Christie...if they feared Christie they would attack the man. And, I predict, once Hillary (or which ever 2016 candidate) is chosen we will hear nothing but negative stories about the "wonderful" Republican Moderate from New Jersey.

I don't think that Cruz is ready for the "prime-time" slot in 2016 but do think he would be a great V.P. on the ticket for one of the many successful Republican governors who will hopefully get into the presidential race for 2016.

Of course, all this 2016 talk is almost pointless if we ignore the 2014 Senate and House races...if the Republicans gain seats and remove some old guard Republicans then a Tea Party type may have a chance in 2016.

mrpizza
Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:39am
I nominate Scott Walker for president.

We need a man who won't take any ---- from the left!

mrpizza
Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:46am
Hey Mike, guess what. Goodwill Industries has job training programs, and can administer them for much less than government, which would easily spend a million dollars per trainee, much more than they'd make over their entire lifetime.

You need to get rid of this idea that government can solve our problems, because government is the cause of them. Don't believe me? Here's a memory refresher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmUJY5EugcM

mrpizza
Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:44pm
By the way Mike, nobody is throwing stones at sinners. We're throwing them at the political establishment (the pharisees). If anything, we're trying to stand up for the sinners, but the pharisees want to keep them in slavery.


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