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So which news stories / topics / issues seize your attention this weekend?

Delaware State University becomes the latest institution of higher learning to deal with allegations of hazing -- by student musicians involved in everything from the marching band, to jazz ensembles, to the band's flag team. So all extra-curricular band activities have been cancelled until further notice.

I'll NEVER understand it: What possesses frats, bands, 'secret' societies, pro teams, etc., to engage in such a pointless, morally bankrupt (and potentially deadly) practice as hazing? The debauchery seems to be endless. We don't know the specifics of the D.S.U. allegations. One can only imagine. A couple of months ago, 13 drum-line members of Texas State University's Bobcat Marching Band received suspensions after allegations surfaced that they had blindfolded freshmen, forcing them to drink until they vomited. USA TODAY reported the senior band members forced freshmen to get on their hands and knees with their faces in the groins of the upperclassmen. Of course, we know about the fatal incident at Florida A&M.

When will this society make pariahs out of anyone who participates in such neanderthal behavior (and my apologies to neanderthals!)?



Speaking of debauchery, Toronto's crackhead Mayor Rob Ford had to apologize for graphic remarks he had made about female oral sex earlier in the day. Mayor Ford began Thursday with an expletive-filled denial that he had asked a city staffer for oral sex. Using an obscene term to describe a female private part, Mayor Ford insisted he was "happily married" and that he "got more than enough to eat at home." His wife, Renata Ford, standing alongside her husband, looked like she'd rather be just about ANYWHERE else. The Canadian Football League blasted Ford for making the first offensive remarks while wearing a Toronto Argonauts jersey. But Ford may be getting his "reward" (and this is what I absolutely detest about ratings-driven modern media): The Canadian Sun News Network announced plans to give the mayor and his brother, Toronto Councilman Doug Ford, their own news program which would be entitled, "Ford Nation."



More questions than answers in the aftermath of President Obama's attempt to address all the problems with his Affordable Care Act roll-out. Nearly 12-thousand Delawareans have received cancellation notices because their insurance policies did not meet the minimal requirements of the President's health-care overhaul. Some, or most, could retrieve their old policies under the President's revised plan.

So now, President Obama's public approval ratings have sunk to the level of former President George W. Bush at about the same time in a second term. Some say Obamacare has become the current President's Katrina. Others compare President Obama's "If-you-like-it-you-can-keep-it" promise regarding insurance policies to President George Herbert Walker Bush's promise, "Read my lips, no new taxes!" How could this have happened? I have my theory: Remember when candidate Obama alienated the Clintons when he said Ronald Reagan had been a more consequential president? I suspect our current president dreamt the Affordable Care Act, his signature legislative achievement, would elevate him to the level of a "consequential" president. But to even get the ACA through Congress (since it couldn't get the progressive dream of Single Payer), the administration had to make countless concessions to the insurance companies, laying the very land mines now exploding (i.e., cancellation of coverage for many folks with individualized insurance plans). Furthermore, in the interest of a laudable goal (covering the chronic uninsured and folks with pre-existing conditions), the president and his advisers minimized the political fallout from the sticker shock to younger, healthier Americans. Finally, caught in the frenzy of making history, the president's aides might have been caught in self-denial over the mounting problems with Federal health-care website. Perhaps no one was prepared to say, "Mr. President... this will be a disaster... we must delay the activation of the website..."

I also have another theory I want to bounce off you. Seemingly forever, Americans search for an "outsider", a "fresh face" who will rock Washington to its knees, for their president. Except for the first President Bush, the pattern has been similar: Pick a governor who's not part of the Washington establishment; if we must, pick a younger senator who hasn't thoroughly absorbed the "ways" of Washington. Could that not be part of the problem? Perhaps a grizzled old Washington hand - a longtime senator who UNDERSTANDS Washington ways - would NOT make these freshman mistakes. Or am I wrong? (Rebuttal to my own argument: Joe Biden is an old Washington hand, and he's a part of this Administration, obviously. Although I'm not sure how great a role he played in the rollout of Obamacare! Would a President Gore, President Dole, or President McCain have been more skillful at avoiding such landmines?)



A sad story in the aftermath of the shootings at Los Angeles International Airport (if true): That airport security officer lay helplessly - bleeding - for more than half an hour after the accused gunman opened fire. The Associated Press reports paramedics waited 150 yards away for 33 minutes, waiting for an "all clear" from police. But police shot the accused guman - and took him into custody - within five minutes. Could Gerardo Hernandez survived had paramedics been allowed to enter earlier?



The security consultant who told CBS's "60 Minutes" that he had rushed to the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, during the terrorist attack - Dylan Davis - has gone into hiding after receiving death threats.



The world's first fully 3-D printable plastic gun may be a ticking time bomb in more ways than one: The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms tested multiple versions of the firearm in different plastics. One such plastic gun exploded during a test firing. Another manufactured from more durable plastic easily fired eight shots.

Posted at 8:00am on November 15, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

kavips
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:28am
Sorry to jump the thread so early but your reporting on the sea stars along with the monarch butterflies this summer, piqued my curiosity as to how many other die-offs occurred this year... Found someone who collects such trivia and the answer is 733....

Many occurring in the Third World; do not make mention in our media...

Perhaps because the experience with the Monarch Butterfly is so personal, this site really shook me up...

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/animal-deaths-birds-fish-end-times.html

I really had no idea, and was quite skeptical upon seeing the list at first... Is it that our reporting on these is getting a lot better, or has the global balance been tipped in a very harmful way?

It seems like in many cases, de-oxygenation in water could be the culprit.


EarlGrey
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:39am
Mr. Loudell, on your "outsider" theory...I think it's a good idea to have a "grizzled" V.P. who "knows the ways" of DC (to help navigate the political landmines) and a President (who was a successful governor) to actually run the country.

Arthur
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:54am
Are you kidding? Biden was just glad to be in the game. He's been looking for coattails to higher office for 30 years since he had no shot at anything.

EarlGrey
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:59am
As Obama's star begins to fade the Democrats and Progressives (on both sides) begin to focus on Hillary. How well do "we" really know Hillary? Is she really the next Community Organizer to become president?

On another thread on this blog I found out that only Tea Partiers know who the man named Saul Alinsky was...is this true? If so, then here is an article from 2007 explaining who Alinsky was and why he is so very important.

"Alinsky thought highly of 21-year-old Rodham, a student government president who grew up in the Chicago suburbs. She was in the midst of a year-long analysis of Alinsky's aggressive mobilizing tactics, and he was searching for "competent political literates" to move to Chicago to build grass-roots organizations.

Seventeen years later, another young honor student was offered a job as an organizer in Chicago. By then, Alinsky had died, but a group of his disciples hired Barack Obama, a 23-year-old Columbia University graduate, to organize black residents on the South Side, while learning and applying Alinsky's philosophy of street-level democracy."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/24/AR2007032401152.html


Mike from Delaware
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:06am
Well, this ought to throw a cat out amongst the pigeons.

Many hard-working Americans are going to get the shaft financially with Obamacare. It is one thing to help folks get needed medical care; it's something else to be paying so college girls like Sandra Fluke can go party it up on campus, with the free birth-control pills and free abortions I've paid to provide for her. Yet, a number of the meds I take my insurance plan will no longer cover in 2014, so now I've got to go and get my doctors to find alternatives that will be covered and if they can't, guess what, I get to pay full price for my meds, that sure seems fair and reasonable to me.

You see, previously those things had copays, but now are required to be given away for FREE and guess who gets to pay the bill? You and I, because the employer who provides most of us with our health-care is only going to pay so much, and then, after that, pass on those other costs to the employee.

I do feel so much better knowing that drunken college boys and girls can do all the frolicking in the hay they want, because I've bought them all the tools they need to have a great time, and not have the risk of making a baby.

Maybe next year Obamacare will add booze as a drug to provide for FREE via Obamacare, to really make those Frat parties a real success, and of course, to win those young voters votes in 2016 for Hillary; they already have their free cellphones from 2012 from Obama.

So Obama has delayed folks losing their existing coverage and being forced into Obamacare for a year. Just after the 2014 elections, interesting timing wouldn't say? Ah, the Chicago way.

Yep, the DEMS in Congress have probably been burning the administration's ear off about how the G.O.P./TEA folks will take over Congress in next year's elections, because of this train wreck aka Obamacare and Obama's lies.

Yep Romney was correct, Romneycare works well in Mass, because it was designed for that state. Obama would have been smarter to have had the states do their own plans.

Some would have probably done a Romneycare-type plan, others would have done maybe even a Single Payer system, and yes others would do nothing, but at least the people of those states get a real voice in the plan rather than "Mein Fuhrer" Obama and his S.S. henchmen lying about the plan to get it passed and THEN we find out the real deal when its too late to do anything about it.

I truly hate to have to say this, but elRusbho was correct, I realize a broken clock is correct twice a day, but he was correct and I have to say that even though it hurts, but Rush did say, the little guy was going to get screwed with Obamacare. Truer words have not been spoken.

Yea, the government shutdown was a very stupid thing for the TEA/G.O.P. folks and IF none of this crap had happened with Obamacare, probably would have helped the DEMS in 2014 and 2016, BUT lies have a way of surfacing, and when they do, people don't forget being lied to, especially if they get royally screwed because of that lie.

So yes Obama and his band of village idiots may have handed the G.O.P./TEA folks a serious victory in 2014 and possibly 2016, assuming the G.O.P./TEA folks don't get over confident and then act in a stupid arrogant manner [the G.O.P./TEA Party's achilles heel].

So it would appear that Obama's administration is going down in flames. He had a good idea, but didn't have the ability or have the people smart enough to make it work for ALL Americans and thus the train wreck we're witnessing. Smooth talk is no substitute for real knowledge and ability.


EarlGrey
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:37am
Mike: Well said. The Tea Party reps saw this train-wreck coming and threw a "Hail Mary" to prevent the catastrophe we now see unfolding before our eyes and arriving in our mailboxes (12,000 Delawareans cancelled). They didn't want to shut down the government but saw no other options to stop this train coming down the rails with the bridge out.

JimH
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 11:51am
Mike: Glad you finally woke up! You have been defending Obama Care while me and my fellow Republicans continued our warning about what was ahead.

I do not agree that shutting down the government was stupid. It showed that the G.O.P. would use every weapon they had to prevent this disaster from taking place. Now voters know who is on their side.

billsmith
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 1:27pm
We see it yet again! Someone who couldn't get into college, hates those that could - and did. So he tells lies about them and about what college life is like. All the while being ever-so self-righteous and trying to present himself as a "good Christian." MikeFromDelaware: Have you forgotten envy is one of the seven deadly sins? And that false witness is one of the commandments?

NPR did a very interesting story on bullying in the workplace yesterday. One of the conclusions: Envy prompts much workplace bullying, too. And often supervisors are the great enablers (after all, they hired the bullies and put them in a position to bully others), so the victim has no recourse but to quit. I write this as one who has been a victim of bullying in the workplace. I find it curious on the topic of bullying (also called "hazing") that someone can point out the speck in the eye of a college band and fail to notice the beam in his own eye.
http://www.npr.org/2013/11/14/245154300/how-best-to-manage-workplace-bullying


Mike from Delaware
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 1:38pm
JimH: I still believe we do need to do something to help folks have health-care coverage so they can get reasonable health-care provided and not risk losing their homes, etc., due to a visit to the hospital. Sadly the only real G.O.P. plan to be promoted is the health savings account idea, which just isn't the answer for most working class folks. On the other hand, this train wreck a.k.a. Obamacare isn't the answer either.

You're correct, I'm looking at ole Texas Cruz in a different light than I did two weeks ago. He obviously had read the TEA leaves correctly and knew the "three-ringed circus" [keeping this "G" rated] we all were about to experience.

I have been checking in with Rush/Beck/Hannity a bit this past week to get their spin, so did add WILM back on my car radio presets. Still can't take a long dose of these folks as they self-promote so much. They don't offer free podcasts to hear later and I flat refuse to pay to hear them.


EarlGrey
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 1:49pm
Mike: Maybe you should check out Roger Hedgecock...he's out on the Left Coast but he's fair and takes all callers unlike the three you listed above. He also has FREE podcasts (that's how I listen to him). He may not be as "young & hip" as Beck but he is a lot wiser and more based in reality.
http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/category/228485/podcasts

dunmore
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 2:21pm
MFD - You have a very strange view of the world. To you, yes, Sandra Fluke is spending her money on constant abortions. Matter of fact, that's all college girls do now; they are all hoes and prostitutes. You have a very healthy view of women; I'm sure your wife and daughters appreciate your wisdom in this area.

If you had, in fact, listened to her testimony, you would have found that she makes a clear case for why health-care should provide access to contraception for all women. I'm betting all you know about here comes from Rush.

Her testimony is here if you care to read it: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/06/context-sandra-fluke-contraceptives-and-womens-hea/

But you also complain that you have to pay for meds now. As a white, proud, God-fearing, true American you should welcome the chance to stand on your own feet and take care of your problems. Letting your employer pay for your health-care, why that's socialism. That makes you just like Sandra Fluke. I'm sure you will be going to your H.R. office on Monday and telling them that from now on, you will be paying for all your health-care.

billsmith
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 3:31pm
Ah, MikeFromDelaware is listening to Rush again. That explains a lot, including his scurrilous remarks about Sandra Fluke.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 3:49pm
Dunmore, I have no problem paying the co-pay and even the deductible. Why should Sandra Fluke get it all free with no co-pays? Equal is equal, not she's better than I nor am I am better than her [it works both ways]. Don't make my statement any more than that. We both pay co-pays for the meds we need is equal, that's my point.

My employer pays a part of my healthcare, by the employer's choice as a way of getting and keeping quality employees. I pay the other part. Now, my employer is being forced by Obamacare to provide for FREE some things my company never provided for FREE before, those things had co-pays; so now that additional cost gets past on to folks like me, THAT's my point.

I did listen to her speech on-line back at that time, so NO I didn't listen to only Rush's version of that event. His name calling of her was inappropriate and took away from his argument, just another reason why I don't normally listen to the big 3. So don't go putting words in my mouth.

Frat parties are a common thing on most campuses and they are not tea socials, so don't get all high and mighty about it; I've not stated anything that wasn't true.

Billsmith, this has nothing to do with envy, as usual you're way out there in "left" field [pun intended]. It has to do with being reasonable and treating all equally.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:59pm
EarlGrey: I used to enjoy Roger Hedgecock when he filled in for Rush many years ago. I listened to one of his podcasts this afternoon. He's far more listenable than Rush/ Hannity/Beck/ or Jensen. Thanks, I'll listen to his show on line as part of my listening to both right & left, unlike some here who only listen to the right or others who only listen to the left. To each his/her own.

EarlGrey
Sat, Nov 16, 2013 12:02am
Mike: You are quite welcome...I too try to listen to and read points of view from both sides, fact check them and then reach my own informed opinions.

Also, I think you are actually on the right track of thinking with Sandra Fluke...check out some of the ObamaCare ads aimed at the much needed 20-somethings. These ads are running in Colorado and funded by ProgressNow.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4261448

So why the focus on young women this time around? Jen Caltrider of ProgressNow Colorado Education said in a statement: “I watch a lot of football, so I’m not really surprised keg stands and red solo cups are the way to reach 20-something guys. Those guys signing up for insurance is only half the equation. We need to reach 20-something women, as well, and we hope this round of ads will do that.”

mrpizza
Sat, Nov 16, 2013 12:46am
If I need a two-sided perspective, I just listen to Allan Loudell, who does a great job of hunting down spokespeople from all things political, social, and otherwise (I heard an interview this morning about Monarch butterflies).

He even had me on a couple of times (about the U.S. Postal Service).

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Nov 16, 2013 8:57am
EarlGrey: Thank you, that Huffpost piece makes my point from above. They're liberals and even they see it.


mrpizza
Sat, Nov 16, 2013 12:54pm
I heard on the news Friday that Dewey Beach is raising the fine for public peeing from $50 to $200.

Occupy Wall Street should make a note of that.

billsmith
Sat, Nov 16, 2013 1:25pm
MikeFromDelaware changes his politics about as often as he changes churches. He was starting to sound almost reasonable for a while but apparently he listened to Rush or some nut-job preacher and now he's gone off the deep end (joining Earl, Pizza and the other tea nazis).

Now that I think about it, higher education wouldn't have done MikeFromDelaware any good.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Nov 16, 2013 2:35pm
Billsmith: My views have not changed, I still believe a Single Payer system could work, but seriously doubt that the "Apple Dumpling Gang" with their leader (Obama) who more & more seems to fumble as much as Don Knots did in that classic Disney movie, has the know-how to make it work correctly for all Americans. So if that's not an option (in the near term), then let the states come up with their own plans.

Apparently all that "higher education" didn't do those folks much good, and the same can be said for you, given some of the ridiculous stuff you post.

billsmith
Sat, Nov 16, 2013 9:55pm
MikeFromDelaware: I see you're falling back on all the right-wing talk radio cliches. This time: Let the states do health-care. Well, the states - except for Massachusetts - had plenty of chances to do health-care and didn't do squat. Even with the current Affordable Care plan, most states seem intent on sabotaging it. They could have set up their own exchanges but didn't. They could have expanded Medicaid but didn't. States have had some 65 years since health-care reform became a widely-discussed issue. Other developed nations did it. But only one state even tried. And then, Mitt turned into a political ho and decided to pander to tea-nuts and disowned his own plan.

And the arguments you are making today against the affordable care act, college students and Sandra Fluke, would apply even more under single-payer. Nice attempt at back-tracking, though. Besides, most college students are - and were - covered under their parents' plans (if any) or able to get really cheap student health coverage through their schools (and the schools' student health service).

You piss and moan about paying for Sandra Fluke's birth control pills but the pill is a lot cheaper than pregnancy. If you are going to complain about health coverage for people whose lifestyle choices you don't like, you'd do more to bring down health-care costs by complaining about gluttons (gluttony is one of those seven deadly sins) and smokers, than women on the pill. You keep saying you don't like Rush and don't listen to him much, but you keep quoting him; what's that about?

You are no judge of what is ridiculous and what isn't. "Ridiculous" in your book is anything different than what right-wing talk show hosts and fat-assed fundamentalist preachers tell you. Try thinking for yourself for a change instead of just parroting right-wing talk show hosts and preachers.

What church are you going to this week? Whatever denomination you've latched onto at the moment is right, and all the others are wrong. Especially those that don't condemn gays. I wonder what will happen when you fundamentalists find out Jesus is on their side.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 12:15am
Billsmith: You are entitled to your opinion just as I am. We don't agree on many things. There's nothing to discuss with you as the two of us have spent many hours, both writing many words expressing our views & beliefs. You choose to insult, belittle, & mock me & those who you don't agree with. Even when I don't mention my faith you make it a central part of any discussion always mocking that faith & my imperfect walk in that faith. I'm just not willing to waste anymore time trying to explain my views to you. What's the point? You consider me to be lesser of a person due to my not having the higher education you have, and I consider you to be a self-important person who thinks only he has the answer. I just don't care what you think anymore. Been there, done that, and got the tee shirt. Be at peace.

mrpizza
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 3:21am
Hey Bill (and Kavips too): Get ready. The TEA Nazis are about to take over Washington, and when we do, we'll "take no prisoners".

Then, in 2016, we'll be electing our first Hispanic president.

billsmith
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:24am
MikeFromDelaware: Not, quite. I consider Pizza a lesser person. I consider you somebody who should be a bit more skeptical and think for himself. You mean well but you are too willing blindly to swallow what right-wing talk show hosts and preachers dish out. It's not that we don't agree. It's that you have no sound and reasoned basis for the opinions you pick up from various demagogues. And it's also the way you sometimes state as fact things that are not so (and which you could easily have found out for yourself). You're intellectually lazy, so higher education would not have helped. You don't do your homework and therefore I don't respect your opinions (whether I agree or disagree).

Pizza: Wanna bet! I say you will be looking at the biggest political collapse since Barry Goldwater in 1964. I am curious to see what story you will concoct to explain it away and pretend it didn't happen. Heck, you tea people couldn't even get O'Donnell elected here and that was even before the tea party lost any semblance of credibility. Go back to Belarus where they like dictators.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:04am
Billsmith: I actually do a lot of reading, listening to both sides of the isle, even in the spiritual realm listen/read both liberal/conservative/Catholic/Lutheran/Evangelical Christian teachings to get the best view I can on a given issue. I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'm not a butter knife either. What it gets down to is we both do our research, but come up with different views.

Here a true story for you that will make my point. A pastor friend of mine, who is a pastor in the ELCA Lutheran Church,[the one you'd like since it now allows gay/lesbians to marry and be ordained since 2009] told me of how he had two Biblical Scholars professors in Seminary, both can read Hebrew and Greek, so can read those "thorny" areas in scripture in their original languages and get the nuance of the language, etc, that we'd miss out in English. Anyhow, one professor believes the traditional understanding of those homosexual issues are correct and the other disagrees. As far as my pastor friend knows, neither man is gay, so no "hidden agenda". Yet both men have read the same words in the same language with an equal knowledge of those languages, etc, etc, and came to a different understanding, yet respect each other not just as fellow professors, but as friends.

That is where I see you and my discussions. You obviously are well read and are a thinker, just as I am, but we come to different conclusions. The one difference between us and those two professors is unlike either of them, you do have some gay tendencies based on your own admissions here, so you may be influenced by that in how you interpret these issues. Which I understand and can accept. The difference is I don't call you names, say you hate, etc, etc, because of your beliefs.

So my point is, what's the point of debating further? You won't sway me to your view point and I'll not sway you to my view point any more than those two professors will be swayed by the others point of view. So again, I ask, what's the point?

One additional point. Just because I don't have the higher education you have, doesn't mean I'm not thinking on a higher level as I probably have read far more books in my lifetime, both fiction and non-fiction than most college degree folks do in their lifetime. From what I've observed, once they get the sheepskin the books get closed and they go live their lives, they might read a technical journal to keep up to date in their specific field, but further reading in other venues isn't on the radar screen.

The parchment doesn't make someone smart, its the ability to use their mind to explore and learn. So as you do not respect my knowledge of things, nor my ability to study and learn things, nor my ability to apply that knowledge in making solid points of view again what's the point of further discussion? None. We both know where the other stands on these issues.

You see, I don't get "brownie" points from God for getting you to come to the cross for forgiveness and asking Jesus into your life. I'm commanded to go and make disciples of all nations [my understanding of that includes gay/lesbians nations too]. I've put much effort and thought, plus prayer into our discussions. You using your free will have many times said No Way. So I respect your right to say no and see no point in further debate on these specific issues with you. No hard feelings, I've enjoyed some of our debates, others not so much, but again what's the point?

So all I can say is be at Peace.


billsmith
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:11am
MikeFromDelaware: No, smart gets you the parchment.

I know you read stuff. Problem is you take what you read as authoritative. You look to pastors and hosts as authorities.

The basic premise of Christianity is I'm right; everybody else is wrong and therefore going to hell. This is even extended to my version of Christianity is right and everybody else's is wrong. You go shopping for the theologically correct version of Christianity.

The middle ages is when monks copied books. There was no original thought. Research was comparing what ancient scholars said on the subject and trying to reconcile them. Christianity stuck most of Europe in the middle ages for almost 1,000 years and now it has you stuck there, too.

No, you don't get "brownie points" from god for getting converts. You get agreement and approval from other people. Christians need agreement. That's why they spent the last two millennia burning heretics at the stake. That's why they came to the New World and forced natives to convert before exterminating them.

Christianity doesn't make it's adherents better people. It makes them bullies and petty tyrants. Soup kitchens and clothing drives don't change that.

mrpizza
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 1:44pm
Hey Bill: You are absolutely correct. This IS going to be the biggest collapse since Goldwater, except this time, LBJ's party will be the collapsee.

P.S.: If you happen to bump into Christine O'Donnell (aka Dorothy), please tell her to go back to the land of Oz.

mrpizza
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 2:10pm
Oh by the way Bill, if the TEA bigots lose, I'll just blame it on your Uncle Archie.

Got poop?

billsmith
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 2:48pm
Pizza, exactly when did you lose touch with reality? You idiots want to shut down the government, wreck the economy and increase the gap between the richest and everybody else - and then you expect everybody to love you for it.

Fortunately, health care reform will make it possible for you to get psychiatric help. Please do so.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 2:56pm
Billsmith: I can not speak for other Christians, but for me, the reason I share my faith ISN'T to get approval from others, but because I DO believe the Scriptures and DO believe that those without Christ will spend eternity in torment in Hell. So IF I, as a follower of Jesus, who supposedly has had a change of heart because of Christ and the Holy Spirit entering my heart and dwelling inside me, etc, where I realize what waits for someone like you [a non follower of Christ] wouldn't I be a rather lousy person to not warn you of the cliff you're getting ready to walk over? THAT's why I share my faith. Nothing more and nothing less. That's simply my personality. If I knew of something physical in our world you were doing that would hurt you [say smoking], I'd tell you about that too, if I for some reason believed you didn't realize the dangers of smoking, because that's how I'm wired. So take no offense, I'm not a Billy Graham, I'm a simple disciple who does study, ask questions, and as I grow and learn yes have changed churches a few times in my lifetime, because of what I've learned in my walk with Christ. I know that's a contradiction for you, the idea of a "thinking Christian", but as I've said before I'm my pastor's biggest headache, because I DO ask questions and don't just blindly accept everything said.

I'd like to think that if you knew something that you believed would hurt me, you'd give me the head's up, so I could avoid it. THAT's simply what I've attempted to do, obviously not very effectively. So no conspiracy with the Middle Ages or brownie points, or anything else your fertile mind can come up with. Nothing more complicated than that. I've given you more than ample warnings and explanations to the best of my unlearned, feeble, puny, uneducated, un-smart mind can do. So there's no point in debating it further. Again, I hold no ill will towards you, but would rather use my energies for others who may be more receptive to hearing the Good News of Jesus Christ.

Be at peace.

EarlGrey
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 4:35pm
Well said Mike. The reason we "crazy Christians" tell others about Jesus' amazing gift is because we believe that all who refuse to accept Him as Savior will be doomed to an eternal hell away from Him...it's because we actually "love our neighbors" that we share this gift. It's up to the other individuals to decide whether or not to accept this gift.

Have a blessed day this Sunday. Pax to you.

billsmith
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:43pm
You guys have imagined yourselves a really sick god. Love me or I will torment you forever. Nice guy!

You all can't tolerate doubt in yourselves, which is why you can't allow anyone around you who isn't also a "true believer." That's real reason why you try to force others to your way of thinking.

Just shows you all have created your god in your image. Whatever is out there, it's certainly nothing like you all or what you all imagine.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:25pm
Thanks EarlGrey. Now to change the subject, how about them Eagles!! 1st place NFC East. Who's Michael Vick?

EarlGrey
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:38pm
bill: FYI, I don't "force" my views on anyone...share them yes, as that is who I am (a sinner saved by grace).

Your view is one way to look at God...the counter-view is that God created humankind with a free will and "we" screwed up by breaking the one simple rule (everything else was rule-free zone). If anything was unfair it was God's loving us wee mortals so much He sent His son to live the perfect life ,on this third rock from the sun, that no other human could...and then let him die the death all we sinners deserved (thanks to the original sin). Thanks to Jesus we all have the possibility of a one-on-one relation with the God of the universe...no more need for middle-men like the priests and no more need for animal sacrifices to atone for our sins.

I'm not a saint and still sin but, thanks to Jesus, I have a whole new way of looking at life and treating my "neighbors".

You have complete freedom to reject God thanks to free will but please cease and desist your attacks upon those who happen to believe that Jesus is the Messiah of the world.

mrpizza
Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:36pm
Hey Bill: Guess what? The economy has already been wrecked, and health care reform, thankfully, is on life support.

We just need the left to complete the destruction so we can move in the cleanup crew.

billsmith
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:45am
Earl: If you "share" your views with anyone not interested in hearing them, anyone who has not asked to hear them, that amounts to forcing your views.

Jesus led a perfect life? Really? Well, by your definition Jesus was perfect so everything he did must be perfect. So what if he commits assault against bankers going about a legal (and necessary business)? So what if he runs away from home after his Bar Mitzah? So what if he claims he came to fulfill the Torah (and not one iota of it will change) and then breaks it repeatedly and urges others to break it? Doesn't matter; he's perfect?

And what was the "one rule" Adam and Eve broke? They sought knowledge.

And what kind of god would want people to kill innocent animals to get their sins forgiven? That's really sick.

Notice how Christianity compares Jesus and all clergy to shepherds and followers to sheep. Sheep are what people had to sacrifice (kill, slit their throats, and drain the blood, and then burn the body). I guess that shows where you all stand.

Your wacko theology doesn't stand up to scrutiny, so don't think about it too much.

EarlGrey
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 9:40am
bill: You obviously have serious issue with Christians/Christianity in general.

Yes, Jesus lived a perfect life...and yes he did show us what "righteous anger" looks like when he kicked the "money makers" from the Temple. The Jesus I have researched and worship (yes, worship) was a revolutionary who kicked against the establishment on both sides (the religious zealots/Pharisees and the political powers of Rome). My Jesus was not white, nor was he the wimpy figure of a man portrayed too many times in the arts...he was a powerful force that even the powerful Roman Empire feared while he was here on Earth and is powerful today.

But, it's your choice to follow whomever you choose...even if it's nothing. Your life, your soul...for as you know no one gets out of this "game of life" alive.

billsmith
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 10:48am
Earl: Apparently, you don't read the Bible too carefully. It was "money changers," not "money makers." And they were outside the Temple - not in. And they performed a necessary service. There was only one Temple and people coming to it usually were pilgrims traveling from a considerable distance. In order to make offerings (or purchase acceptable sacrificial animals) they had to change their money (which had graven images of rulers and pagan deities) for temple gelt. You clearly have not done much research.

Feared by the empire? They never head of him. Jesus does not appear in any Roman official records. There were lots of guys like Jesus, itinerant preachers and rabbis, running around Palestine at the time. The Bible even makes passing reference to a few of them. Those who had credibility had their teachings preserved in the Talmud and Midrash. You probably don't know what those are but you think you can understand Jesus, a Jew preaching to Jews, without "researching" his religion.

And if you think "money makers" are such bad people, how come you like Republicans such as Mitt?

billsmith
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 10:49am
Now wonder nobody trusts the media: 64 degrees and at the top of the page it says "snowatch is active." Jeez! Watch but don't hold your breath.

ccarl
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 11:18am
Bill,

Our SnoWatch cancellation system is user-operated. West End Neighborhood House had to close early today because of a water main break. Using our system, they were able to enter that cancellation into our system to notify their constituents (for lack of a better word). So, yes, our SnoWatch system was indeed active, despite it being 64-degrees.

Chris Carl

EarlGrey
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 11:29am
bill: The "money changers" were ripping people off (they used the exchange rates to defraud travelers)...thus, money "makers"

When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”~John 2:13-17

And if the Romans had no fear of this Jewish Messiah then please explain why Herod had all male Jewish children born at the time of Christ murdered? Answer: To ensure this prophesied Jewish King did not take over Herod's kingdom... very few understood that Jesus was not coming to set up His kingdom on Earth.

billsmith
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:55pm
Earl: It does not say that people were being "ripped off." You added that yourself.

Herod the Great was not Roman. He was Idumean. At the time, Judea was a "client state" and not an imperial province (Galilee was one, however). And there is no record outside of only one of four gospels of any "slaughter of the innocents" in Bethlehem. No mention at all. But the story worked well in Exodus so somebody decided to recycle it. Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

By the way, it was not all male Jewish children; it was males in Bethlehem under two years of age. Bethlehem was a very small town; maybe a dozen affected - if it had happened. And there is no independent record it ever did. As MikeFromDelaware keeps saying, the Bible is a "book of faith" - not history or science.

CCarl: I think the word you were looking for was "clients." Probably not the kind of people who listen to right-wing talk radio in any case.

ccarl
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:25pm
Bill,

I'm curious. Who on WDEL do you consider to be right-wing?

(Other than Jensen, of course.)

EarlGrey
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:27pm
Bill: We could go back and forth on these "tidbits" of debate forever but it's getting tiresome.

Numerous Bible studies give the full background/context for the history of these "money changers" and how they abused the exchange rates to make money from those who traveled long distances to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices in the temple. Or can only you use external studies and sources to come to a logical conclusion?

You are correct on Herod's background and on that point alone I will concede to you... Herod was not an actual Roman; he was loyal to Rome, but not an actual Roman.

And, I will disagree with both you and Mike on the Bible not being historically correct... outside sources back up the events of Biblical history. The God-aspects are indeed dependent upon faith, but not the historically proven portions.

EarlGrey
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:28pm
ccarl: You are wasting your time... Bill doesn't even listen to WDEL.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:02pm
Just a correction to Billsmith, I've not said the Bible doesn't contain history in it [parts of it are definitely historical]. I have said the Bible is NOT a Science book; it is a book of faith. To use the thoughts [paraphrasing] of Galileo, the Bible tells us how to get to heaven; Science tells how how the heavens work. Scripture is never in error; it is our understanding that may be incorrect, and as we learn more, our interpretation may change.

billsmith
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:20pm
"Numerous Bible studies give the full background/context for the history of these "money changers" and how they abused the exchange rates to make money from those who traveled long distances to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices in the temple."

OK. Chapters and verses, please. The quote you provided doesn't say that. Or I can save you the trouble: The incident is mentioned only three times (does that qualify as "numerous?"). And none of these three says anything about money changers abusing exchange rates.

And if you go to some payday lender storefront, and we do have actual evidence that they rip people off, and wreck the place, you will get arrested. You won't get crucified, but you will do some time. And if somebody claims he's entitled to wreck the place because he's the messiah, he'll go to ha-ha-hotel.

mrpizza
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:07pm
Hey Bill: You can rest assured that as long as I have a forum, I'm going to force as many of my views on you as I can cram down your throat.

At some point, some of it should stick after you chew on it enough times.

As far as the money changers go, just picture the church being used as a casino. This is proof positive that it's not all "Sweet Little Gentle Jesus". He's not in the manger anymore - he's risen from the dead and is triumphant, not defeated.

billsmith
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:18pm
Pizza: I don't have to picture it. Raffles. Bingo night. Carnivals. You can go see for yourself. Or you can listen to Allan Loudell's live broadcasts.

mrpizza
Mon, Nov 18, 2013 9:41pm
Except I think what they were doing in Jesus' time was a whole lot more down and dirty corrupt and would make Bingo and carnivals look more like a school playground.

billsmith
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 7:48am
Pizza: Key words are "I think." Not what it says. Your guess. You have to make the money changers the bad guys here; otherwise Jesus is a nut job.

And it was not the Romans who went after Jesus. Apparently, you all don't bother to actually read scripture. It was the Sanhedrin. The Temple curia. The top priests. Sadducees (not Pharisees). Why? Because of Jesus going postal with the money changers and disrupting operations of the temple.

ccarl
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 9:15am
Bill, I asked you a question.
Who on WDEL do you consider to be right-wing?

billsmith
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:08am
CCarl: Don't you mean "Whom on WDEL do you consider to be right-wing?"

You asked? I am under no obligation to respond.

However: Jensen, as you mentioned. Loudell and Watson, as I have mentioned before. Mascitti, but not as far right. And every syndicated host the station has carried in the past.

Never a progressive.

ccarl
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:23am
Watson and Mascitti are right wing? Interesting perspective. Good to know where you're coming from. Thanks for answering.

mrpizza
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:15pm
Hey Bill: You're way too analytical.

billsmith
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 5:37pm
CCarl: Just shows how immersed in the right-wing mind-set talk radio is. You all think somebody not so extreme and rabid must be liberal. We see this with the tea party crowd frequently.

Also explains why you people got rid of the Fairness Doctrine. But probably doesn't matter much. Your industry is going to be dead and buried within the next decade.

EarlGrey
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 9:51pm
bill: For someone who is supposed to be so intelligent/enlightened you really should try listening to other points-of-view and you may just learn something...

ccarl
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 9:52pm
Bill: After all these years, I've never seen the words "right wing" used to describe Mascitti and Watson. Never. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm not even going to say you're wrong. I'm just surprised. And it has nothing to do with MY mindset. It's the feedback I get from listeners.

And I feel confident this industry won't die. Why? You're looking at it.

kavips
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:12pm
Everything is right of billsmith.

billsmith
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:14am
CCarl: I have read that once upon time people did look at their radios as they listened to The Lone Ranger, Amos n' Andy, The Shadow or Fibber McGee and Molly but I missed out on those big washer-sized Atwater-Kent radios.

I am aware that Watson claims to be "independent." And many people believe him. He independently takes right-wing positions. As I said, Mascitti is not as far out on the political spectrum as the others, but he hardly qualifies as progressive.

Those listeners you mention must be Tea Party types who disown anybody who doesn't follow the tea party, religious right dogmatic line. Listeners to right-wing talk are angry, old White males. Poorly educated and lower socio-economic status. Apparently people who can't abide right-wing talk are not considered. Exactly why we need the fairness doctrine.

You never answered my question: Why has there never been a progressive host on your station? If the political spectrum runs from one-to-ten, the range of opinion on this and most talk radio stations goes from one-to-three.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:21am
ccarl: I used to work with Watson and have had many discussions with him off air, he's a great guy, a good guy to work with, etc., and he is pro-military [he served in the Air Force]. Watson is also Pro-Al Sharpton and his agenda, and John supports the DEMS, including Obama, Obamacare, probably Hillary if she runs, etc. So for most of us, Watson would be considered a liberal, but to some of the far left, Watson is a conservative, due to his pro-military slant, as perceived by anti-war, anti-military hippie types from the VietNam era.

Mascitti is a liberal,[Bill Maher] type who seems to hate anything remotely Christian. Al definitely has his issues with the church, belief in God, etc, so after hearing a few of these rants from him I now tune him off and go listen to 1290 WWTX, 97.5 WPEN, 90.9 WHYY-FM, or even 1450 WILM when he starts bashing belief in God and the Christian Church. The odd thing about Al, is he himself is a self proclaimed Episcoplian, but I believe he goes just to make his wife happy, because you'd never know he is a Christian from hearing his rants against God and faith, etc. So in one sense that makes him a phony baloney, or hypocrite.

What I like about Al is he was a reporter and he digs into a story and offers good solid analysis of the issues. Unlike his ultra-rightwing cohort in talk in the afternoon,[Rick Jensen] Mascitti will give the GOP praise when he believes they did the correct thing, whereas Jensen following in the mold of Rush/Beck/Hannity would rather be impaled than ever admit those "evil socialistic, Godless, commie DEMS" could ever do anything good, moral, or correct. That is what makes Mascitti's show interesting for my ears. If he'd knock off the bashing God, faith, and Christianity rants[dump the Bill Maher act] I'd listen far more often.

I'm surprised Billsmith doesn't like Mascitti given the anti-God belief, anti-Christianity rants both seem to share in common.


Mike from Delaware
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:29am
Having just read Billsmith's comments to Ccarl, I'd conclude what he wants WDEL to air is a far-far-Left-winger talk ranter who'd foam at the mouth as much as Rush or Hannity, except be liberal in every thing possible.

Bill must not listen to Al very often, because I've heard Al totally lose it with callers like Kevin who's a right-winger, and after a few moments, Al blows up on the guy and I have a mental picture of Gerald physically pulling Al back from the mic as Gerald frantically punches up a spot.

So Al can get VERY fired up when the correct buttons are pushed.

ccarl
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:33am
Bill,

I guess you meant "Never a progressive?" Otherwise, you never asked me that question.

And I am under no obligation to respond. However, although we have no full-time openings at this time, I'd be more than happy to consider a progressive. I'm always accepting recommendations on how to improve our service to the community.


billsmith
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 1:33pm
MikeFromDelaware: You don't know what you're talking about - yet again. And you don't know the people you talk about either. You lie.

However, there is good news: I see the Methodists kicked out that minister who officiated at his son's gay marriage. Now that they have proven they are homophobic bigots after all, you can go back to the fold.

And you lie when you claim I want a ranter. Have you ever listened to any progressive hosts? I doubt it. And you certainly have no idea of my preferences for radio personalities. I'd consider Watson a "ranter," although he's very good at it and clearly owes his career to affirmative action.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 3:39pm
Ccarl: There you go, Bill himself presents an example of what would make great liberal talk radio for his ear. He's all about promoting the LGBT agenda and bashing any Christian group that doesn't see it Bill's way. So since Mascitti, Watson, etc., do not harp on that topic as Bill does here, they are ultra-right-wing conservative bigots.

Billsmith: In terms of the United Methodist thing, that pastor violated that church's Book of Discipline. Until the worldwide body of UM churches votes to change that rule, it IS against their rules/church laws to co-officiate at a gay/lesbian marriage, because as of now the UM church says that LGBT marriage is not consistent with church teaching. THAT's not being homophobic bigot. That is that churche's belief. Oh yea I forgot, ONLY YOUR view of the world is permitted.

Talk about someone being a bigot, it's you. ANYONE who doesn't agree with your pro-homosexual agenda is a bigot, according to Billsmith. Well sir, that's just plain unadulterated horse manure. As usual, I just wasted 5 minutes bothering to offer you a sane answer; GEE what what I thinking?


billsmith
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:42pm
Notice CCarl doesn't think Mascitti and Watson are right-wing but he doesn't dispute Loudell is a right-wing talk show host.

Watson does depart from the right-wing agenda to favor racial preferences. Self-interest trumps ideology. And whatever else he is, at least Mascitti, a newspaperman, has bona fides as an actual "journalist," something almost unheard of in broadcasting any more.


billsmith
Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:34am
MikeFromDelaware: Only my world view is permitted? That's almost funny. Your sick and evil cult has an almost 2,000-year history of forcing your "worldview" on others. And you still do it. You all want homosexuals to stay in the closet and feel shamed. You all want to force school kids to say your prayers and to force people attending public meetings to sit through them. You all want to censor books and movies and TV shows to eliminate anything contrary to your "worldview." You all may have given up on prohibition of alcohol but you still are pushing prohibition of drugs. Every day you people commit what Rev. Roger Williams called "spiritual rape" - but it's OK. You are doing it for everybody's own good. You all know best. You all are saving souls. People should appreciate it. Jesus hated people like you. Self-righteous, hypocrites. Notice he didn't hire anybody like you as apostles.

The more you post, the more I despise people like you (just as Jesus did) and the sick cult that encourages you to be that way. Since reading your posts I've begun keeping a baseball bat in my car and near my door just in case somebody gets in my face and starts talking about Jesus. I'm looking forward to finding out if you all really do turn the other cheek. More likely you all cry like little girls.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:09am
Billsmith: You truly are smoking some of that illegal stuff, because I've NEVER advocated prayer in school and public meetings; I've said a moment of silence.

I've said that if the "secular" state [like ancient Rome] wants to allow gay/lesbian marriage, that's their business as long as the state and the LGBT folks don't try to FORCE churches to do gay/lesbian marriages. Obviously you would want to force churches to do that, because Billsmith is the ONLY person here at WDEL.com who knows anything; the rest of us are Christians idiots who just fell off the turnip truck.

Actually I don't have a problem with the legalization of Pot [not too sure about crack, meth, heroin, etc.]

The other thing: Christians do not save souls, ONLY God can do that.

So once again, Billsmith, who by his own admission, considers himself to be a brilliant, smart, articulate, sharpest-knife-in-the-drawer kind of guy, but who doesn't read worth a crap and who will say anything, just like a politician who'll bash someone who disagress with him. Once again, thanks for a "fun-filled" discussion.

What I truly don't get about you, is you hate it when folks, including some Christians, would say hateful things about the LGBT folks, so bashing an entire group, yet you do the exact same thing you accuse all of us here of doing. Seems a bit hypocritical, so that makes my earlier claim of you being a phony baloney correct.

Why don't you put your hatred aside and try to better understand all of us, so we in turn can better understand you.................Yea, I thought so, you'd rather hate instead. You seem to have a need to hate; that is a real shame, Bill. Your loss, sir. Be at peace.

EarlGrey
Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:00am
bill: Can you give us an example (or actual person) of who you would like to hear on WDEL (if you listened to the station)...we have read your thoughts on all the "right-wingers" on the local radio station so who should be added to make you happy? (Again, if you actually listened). My guess is WDEL management would prefer to have hosts that the public would tune in to hear daily.


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