WDEL Blog: Allan Loudell

One of the saving graces of government: The National Weather Service

With the disastrous Obamacare rollout and other fiascos in recent years (The Bush Administration's handling of Hurricane Katrina; "Fast & Furious", etc.), some people swear the government can do nothing right. And by "government", they especially mean the Federal Government.

Yet, while the Bush Administration dropped the ball on Katrina (with an assist from state & local governments in Louisiana), the National Weather Service didn't. I remember hearing the warnings of a catastrophic storm.

That was the case again this past weekend in the Midwest. One to two days beforehand, the National Weather Service warned of an epic collision of weather systems. Assisted by modern computer programs, NWS issued watches and warnings, relayed on radio & television, aided by text-message alerts and storm sirens. Considering dozens of storms and twisters in a dozen states, it's rather remarkable the death toll stood at eight.

Posted at 7:37am on November 19, 2013 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 7:59am
Thank heavens the Tea Party still didn't have it shut down!

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 9:23am
Mr. Loudell: I think there are quite a few other government programs that could go away and none of us would ever notice... the National Weather Service at least serves a purpose and I haven't heard too many Tea Partiers saying it should go away, like so many other Big Govt programs.

Btw, Operation Fast & Furious was under Obama and thousands of weapons "walked" into Mexico without the Mexican government's knowledge.

Operation Wide Receiver was under Bush.

Operation Wide Receiver Statistics:
# of guns allowed to walk across the border: 0
Weapons tracked?: Yes
Done with knowledge & approval of Mexican authorities: Yes
# of dead as a result of this operation: 0

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 10:59am
Well then, why pay money for Accuweather?

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:01pm
Gotta agree with you Bill. Accu weather, the Weather Channel, folks employed by major TV stations, etc. have replaced the National Weather Service.

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:20pm
Yep. For once even I have to agree with Bill. NWS could just be another costly bureaucracy.

As for Katrina, I should point out that those "evil" prosperity preachers such as Kenneth Copeland, Franklin Graham, and Pat Robertson were already on scene long before the government, as it should be.

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:22pm
Hey Kavips: How many times do I have to remind you that the TEA party can't shut anything down? They're not in power. The communists on the left are in power. You know, your dictator president and all his henchmen?

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:31pm
Mpizza: Also the Lutheran Church LCMS, Lutheran Church ELCA, United Methodists, Assembly of God, Baptists, and Roman Catholic churches relief organizations are there both in the Midwest AND in the Philippines. The point is THE Church is serving the lesser than thee, far faster than most governments.

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 4:03pm
Accuweather and the local weather forecasters all get their information from the NWS. So, why pay money for Accuweather?

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 4:07pm
Mr. Pizza... when for sakes are you going to step down off your soapbox and read the paper?

The Tea Party shut the government down from October 1st to October 17th. They were royally DEFEATED...

(In case you were exfoliating, here is a link....)


Everybody knows that.

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 4:10pm
I'm hysterical that someone here thinks the National Weather Service could shut done because we all get our weather from TV stations.

Ha, ha, ha. They said the Tea Party was dumb... Not even I could believe in how much... :)

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 4:12pm
As I vaguely recall, about 10 years ago or so Rick "Man On Dog" Santorum tried to get some bill through the U.S. Senate that would forbid the N.W.S. from distributing it's weather information for free to the public. Coincidentally, just by pure chance, this was after Santorum received big campaign contributions from the president of AccuWeather.

Allan Loudell
Tue, Nov 19, 2013 7:15pm
I'm surprised all of you have missed the obvious: You can't have half a dozen private weather services issuing severe thunderstorm / tornado / hurricane / flood watches and warnings; otherwise, it would be chaos.

EAS, civil defense, etc., activate emergency tones, sirens, even phone messages these days, based on the output of the National Weather Service / Severe Storms Center. It needs to be that way.

I don't deny private weather services play an important role as well, customizing weather forecasts for local media (which, unfortunately, commercial TV stations in particular often embellish) and a private weather service is invaluable for a broadcasting station which airs weather every ten minutes, often with some live shots as well.

Some meteorologists forecasting some local areas for years, even decades, become familiar with the idiosyncrasies of an area, and can offer unique insights. And the private weather services plug into various computer models, including the "European" model, so may differ a bit from the NWS with their interpretation of the data.

But it all starts with the National Weather Service...

Allan Loudell

Tue, Nov 19, 2013 7:43pm
Hey Kavips: Have you ever thought about what the word Republican means? It means "for the republic". So, it could be argued that Democrats are "against the republic".

Is that the crowd you want to run with?

Also, I must remind you that the TEA party was formed as the result of a vacuum created by the communist political establishment. You know what TEA stands for?


Tue, Nov 19, 2013 9:42pm
Mr. Loudell: I conceded that the NWS serves a useful purpose to the public (and deserves to remain in place) will you acknowledge that Operation Fast & Furious was under Obama (not Bush)?

There are more than enough other Big Government programs to choose from that should be removed from existence.

Wed, Nov 20, 2013 5:14am
" The point is THE Church is serving the lesser than thee, far faster than most governments."

MikeFromDelaware: Do you have any proof - facts and figures. Or is this just a statement of faith? Bearing false witness, in other words.

Preachers follow the time-tested practices of snake-oil salesmen (and the media). Use coffee and donuts to gather a crowd and then make them pay by listening to a sermon.

Pizza: Katrina? The problem was Dubya, the drunk, little rich twerp. "Great job, Brownie."

AllanLoudell: Bull! How much did you pay for some guy out on Long Island to pretend to know local weather, while he was just cribbing from the weather bureau? How can these Accuweather guys offer local insights every 10 minutes when they are in State College, PA and doing weather reports in half a dozen different cities, one after the other. Again, they are just reading the weather bureau forecast off a computer screen and trying to remember whether they are in Wilmington or Detroit. All they do is take two minutes to say "mostly sunny today, high 45." Just more media see, media do.

Pizza: You apparently don't even know the definition of "republic" do you (much as you wing-nuts love tossing the word around)? In a republic, representatives use their own judgement. You all just want them to do what you say.
"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion." - Edmund Burke

Allan Loudell
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 5:50am
Mr. Grey: Sure, "Fast & Furious" came under Obama; I never said Bush... that's why I put a semi-colon there.

Mr. Smith: We pretty much get the same two or three meteorologists for live shots and each does live shots on only a few stations on a regular basis. When big storms, approach, we sometimes discuss computer models. Of course, you wouldn't know; you don't listen.

Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:53am
Sorry Mr. Loudell, but even with the semi-colon, it appeared to say it was Bush's program and too many people still believe Bush is the reason for everything wrong in this world.

(The Bush Administration's handling of Hurricane Katrina; "Fast & Furious", etc.)

I would wager one of the local "right-wingers" Al Mascitti would blame Bush for F&F (Yes, the right-wing title for Al is in jest, and related to another topic on this blog)

Allan Loudell
Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:03am
Okay, sorry about that... I should've specifically mentioned President Obama or the Obama Administration, after that semi-colon!

Wed, Nov 20, 2013 1:23pm
AllanLoudell: Nobody cares about computer models. All anybody (except weather geeks) cares about is: Do I need a coat? Boots? A raincoat? To cover the plants? TV started talking weather to death early on because maps were about the only visual element available then. Radio used to get out the essential information in 10 or 15 seconds but then people completely lacking in originality and devoid of creative judgement took over and started imitating TV.
I have heard Accuweather forecasts. Same people doing the same thing in Wilmington, New York, Philly, Detroit, LA, San Francisco, DC, Chicago .... All taking two minutes for what should take about one-tenth the time. And how much do you all pay those guys for what the government gives away for free? If you want a different voice, you can call them up and they'll read the forecast for you - also for free.
Apparently KYW has dropped Accuweather, since they have a bunch of "meteorologists" in the building - probably also just reading what they get from the government.

Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:55pm
Hey Bill: Guess what? Government doesn't give away anything for free. You and I pay for it.

Now what part of THAT don't you understand?

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