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Looks like Democratic legislators in Dover are out to make life miserable for ANOTHER Democrat -- Treasurer Chip Flowers. The NEWS JOURNAL reports the state Senate Executive Committee will consider legislation to give the Cash Management Policy Board complete authority over how to invest the state's two-billion-dollar portfolio. Governor Markell appoints the members of that board. You'll recall Attorney-General Beau Biden's office found this unelected board possessed "sole legal authority" to make investment decisions. A sponsor of the bill, House Speaker Pete Schwartzkopf (D-Rehoboth Beach), insists Flowers is responsible for his own grief. The way the Delaware establishment is trying to straitjacket Chip Flowers, you'd think he's Toronto's mayor!


The mother of a woman killed in the Colorado theater shootings came to Delaware Thursday to vouch for Delaware gun-control legislation shot-down in the state Senate last year. The measure would seek to keep guns away from those with mental illness. Mental-health providers would be required to report to authorities any patients deemed to be dangerous. Police, in turn, could seek court orders to remove any firearms from patients' homes and/or bar weapons purchases. The mother of that Colorado victim says if Colorado had had such a law, it might have prevented the carnage in that theater.


A top New Jersey Democratic legislator - Assembly Deputy Speaker John Wisniewski - tells The DAILY MAIL on line he's unimpressed with Governor Chris Christie's claim that he first learned Wednesday morning about the political retribution plot involving long-trusted staffers and lanes entering the George Washington Bridge. Wisniewski says the governor is simply "not believable", that it's inconceivable that a "hands-on" leader like Christie might "suddenly have a senior member of his administration go rogue."

Editorial headline from The NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: "Gov. Chris Christie's load of bull: Fired aide Bridget Kelly merely a patsy in attempt to shelter Port Authority cronies, himself"

Meanwhile, friends of ousted Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Anne Kelly insist she was "no political pit bull", but rather, a scapegoat or someone who's been set up. (Daily Mail) But, The PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER offered a rather different characterization: "Kelly, the woman behind some of the e-mails in a plot to gridlock the George Washington Bridge, was described Thursday by some as a cheery, intelligent mother of four -- but with a 'vindictive' side. 'She's a 4-foot-9 perfectly pleasant soccer mom, but she could be a 6-foot-10 linebacker if she needed to', said a Republican operative with knowledge of the governor's inner circle, who did not want to be named for fear of retaliation. 'If you crossed her, she could be vindictive'."

Ironically, Christie began this first full week of the new year as the most admired politician in the U.S., according to Quinnipiac University polling.

From The NEW YORK TIMES: "The daughter of a 91-year-old woman from Fort Lee, N.J., who died on the day of a major traffic jam precipitated by top aides to Gov. Chris Christie said on Thursday that she did not believe the inability of an ambulance to reach her mother's house was a factor in her death. 'I honestly believe it was just her time', said Vilma Oleri, whose mother, Florence Genova, died on the morning of Sept. 9, the first day that the closing of local lanes leading to the George Washington Bridge set off the snarls..."



The fall of the Iraqi city of Fallujah to al-Qaida-linked Sunni Islamists has U.S. troops who fought there reflecting on the futility of their efforts there. Paradoxically, to the extent that the Obama Administration supports the Iraqi government (Shi'a dominated) against those Sunni insurgents, the U.S. is on the same side as Iran.



Yet, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, harshly condemned the United States as talks resumed to conclude an interim deal governing Iran's nuclear program. Khamenei said those talks underscored the hostility of Americans toward Iran and the Islamic world.


From The HUFFINGTON POST: WHITE HOUSE DARES DEMOCRATIC SENATORS PUSHING IRAN SANCTIONS to ADMIT THEY WANT WAR

WASHINGTON -- The White House on Thursday challenged a group of senators to admit they are working to push the country toward war with Iran, upping the tensions between the administration and Senate advocates of tough new sanctions amid nuclear negotiations.

"If certain members of Congress want the United States to take military action, they should be up front with the American public and say so," Bernadette Meehan, National Security Council spokeswoman, said in a statement. "Otherwise, it's not clear why any member of Congress would support a bill that possibly closes the door on diplomacy and makes it more likely that the United States will have to choose between military options, or allowing Iran's nuclear program to proceed."

The 'certain members' the White House is referring to are led by Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), who is pushing legislation, backed by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, that would tighten sanctions on the Iranian regime despite the ongoing negotiations..."



For the record, Delaware's junior U.S. Senator, Chris Coons, is with Menendez on this, while Delaware's senior U.S. Senator, Tom Carper, backs the Administration's approach, not favoring additional sanctions at this time. One reason Carper may have a different world view from Coons: Carper has known Iran's current Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mohammad Zarif, for just short of a decade.



For all the folks who saw the great Polar Vortex swooping south in North America as evidence to refute claims of global warming (once again mistaking weather events for long-term trends in climate), consider: Australia is dealing with a record heat-wave with temperatures approaching 122 degrees Fahrenheit in some parts of the country/continent. Kangaroos are collapsing and bats are said to be dropping from the trees. The heat wave is forcing farmers to send cattle to slaughter. The current scorcher began around Christmas and has been moving counterclockwise from Down Under's north into the south, now west.



Panic in West Virginia: West Virginia's Governor Earl Ray Tomblin announces a state of emergency in nine West Virginia counties, after a chemical spill into the Elk River led to a water ban impacting 300-thousand customers. Authorities urge local residents not to drink, bathe, or cook with water from their taps. The chemical, 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, is used in the froth flotation process during coal washing.



China apparently becomes the world's largest trading nation in 2013, catapulting past the United States. Beijing called it a "landmark milestone" for the People's Republic of China. (The United States has yet to release the trade statistics for 2013, but based on the stats for the first eleven months of 2013, the U.S. was unlikely to surpass China.) China became the world's largest EXPORTER of goods in 2009.

Posted at 8:05am on January 10, 2014 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jan 10, 2014 8:40am
I agree that background checks in our laws should include info about the person's mental-health issues and those folks should not be allowed to legally have guns/shotguns/rifles.

This is the one part of the gun rights lobby I totally do not get. I believe almost every one of those school, mall, church, shopping center, college shootings were done, NOT by a criminal, but by someone who had mental issues. The idea is to NOT keep sane, legal, U.S. citizens from owning guns, but to keep the insane, illegals - not U.S. citizens - from easily getting a gun.

Sure, the criminal and terrorist elements will know how to find guns in any large U.S. city, but those other folks don't seem to be of that mentality.

Remember, there are many folks who take psychotic meds who are not in mental hospitals, but out in the world. They don't have to report in to anyone to insure they're taking their meds. What happens all too often is they decide on their own to just stop taking their meds and then they spiral back into an unbalanced mental state, which is why they should never be allowed to legally own a gun.

I'm starting to believe that the reason some of the TEA folks [not those posting here] are so against that kind of background check is they themselves probably would fail due to their mental issues, and thus lose THEIR guns.

But that doesn't mean we as a nation should NOT add mental issues to background checks. It wouldn't stop all of those school shootings, but it would make them less frequent and one life saved, because some lunatic couldn't easily get his/her hands on a gun or rifle is a good thing for all.

I used to be a member of the NRA, so I'm not anti-gun, but they are very wrong on this specific issue.

billsmith
Fri, Jan 10, 2014 1:54pm
CHRISTIANITY IN ACTION...

Married mega-church pastor forced to resign after confessing to multiple affairs with women from his congregation

* Mark Connelly, the lead pastor of the Mission Community Church in Phoenix, resigned last week
* The church told its 6,000 strong congregation last weekend that he has been engaging in multiple extramarital affairs
* Connelly and his wife, Kay, have been married for 29 years
* Last year he was invited to speak at a church in Atlanta about how to have a successful marriage

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535570/Married-mega-church-lead-pastor-forced-resign-confessing-multiple-affairs-women-congregation.html#ixzz2q1U31dLx

billsmith
Fri, Jan 10, 2014 7:14pm
MikeFromDelaware continues to straddle the yellow line in the middle of the road. He agrees with everybody but doesn't want to go as far as they do. He works hard to be neither hot nor cold but wants to suck up to everybody. Goldilocks likes neither hot nor cold, but Jesus will spit him out.

mrpizza
Fri, Jan 10, 2014 8:31pm
So Bill, do you think your pointing out of Christians engaging in sinful and criminal activity excuses you from refusing to serve God in your own life?

mrpizza
Fri, Jan 10, 2014 8:37pm
Allan: During the 2010 campaign season, I had pet names for both Chip Flowers and Christine O'Donnell. Chip was Rodney King and Christine was Dorothy of Wizard of Oz fame.

I would submit to you that Chip "Rodney King" Flowers and the Toronto mayor are basically the same - just different personalities.

I came up with Dorothy for Christine because when I heard her "I'm not a witch - I am you" commercial I imagined her breaking into "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" and the commercial seemed incomplete without it.

kavips
Fri, Jan 10, 2014 11:31pm
Don't forget: One member of the state board was fined over $900,000 by the SEC for wrong-doing... Putting all the money in their hands has severe consequences.

kavips
Fri, Jan 10, 2014 11:43pm
Why would Chris Coons go with such an odd tack? Punishing a nation that is complying with U.S. demands by piling on sanctions?

The obvious answer is to curry favor with those large investment houses that have Jewish names. If one ever needs money, the middle-class doesn't have it; there is only one person who has it...

I'm reminded of a visual of the banker in Mr. Potter's office, hat in hand, wiping his brow when Mr. Potter guarantees to cover the bank at 50 cents on the dollar.

The policy itself makes no sense otherwise. Who would tell their child that if they refused to do their homework they would be getting belted, and then belt them right in the middle of their attempting it?

That is just sick. But only if it is to curry the favor of large Jewish-named investment firms for cash advances and money, does it actually makes sense.

mrpizza
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 3:34am
Sure Kavips, let's blame the Jews for all of mankind's problems. That's what Hitler did.

billsmith
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 5:18am
Pizza: You and Hitler have so much in common (Strom, too). I can picture you saying they just went too far. You take "Mein Kampf" and change the name of the bogeymen from Jews to communists, or gays, or illegal immigrants, and you'd agree with all of it.

Deep down you tea-baggers and religious wing-nuts love the thought of a fuhrer - somebody who will, in Darth Vader's words "end this destructive conflict and bring order to the Galaxy." He says what you want to hear, but you give anybody absolute power they will go crazy (especially if they were already headed in that direction). Like that preacher mentioned above, they starting thinking they can do whatever they want and everything they want to do must be right. Voila, you have Hitler or any other dictator.

If Hitler hadn't attacked Stalin and tried to fight a war on two fronts, he'd have won. If he'd rounded up all Jews and shipped them all to Palestine; he'd have solved his problem and be a hero today.

Look how easily you all went along with Gitmo, enhanced interrogation, assassinations, drones, government surveillance, and the Patriot Act. And that was for an inarticulate little jerk like Dubya. For a real charismatic figure, you all would be shooting your own grandmothers.

mrpizza
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 9:53am
Hey Bill, which one are you? Are you a Jew or a Communist?

billsmith
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 10:48am
"Hey Bill, which one are you? Are you a Jew or a Communist?"

Sounds like you hate both.

And for all your pretense of religion, you seem to forget that Jesus was both.

EarlGrey
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 10:59am
Jew...yes
Communist...hell no.

billsmith
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 12:54pm
Hell yes. Didn't like rich people. Followers held all property in common. What do you call it?

mrpizza
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 1:41pm
To answer your question Bill, none of Jesus' "communist" activities involved government. All "common" property was held by choice and free will, not at gunpoint like the IRS or EPA or FDA or Obama or Congress or the Senate led by Harry Hitler, or any other agency of tyranny you want to name.

billsmith
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 2:18pm
Pizza: Government involvement or not. Still communist. Read Marx. Communism is a form of anarchism.

mrpizza
Sat, Jan 11, 2014 2:36pm
Thanks for the tip, Bill.

billsmith
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:12pm
You all might find this week's "On The Media" interesting. It deals with how and why the media pump out so much BS on so many different subjects. I know some of you assume they've got a political agenda to flog. Not quite that simple.

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The Myth of 'Blue Monday,' The Campaign for Creationism, and a Lying Cyborg Telemarketer

http://www.onthemedia.org/story/on-the-media-2014-01-10/

DOWNLOAD
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/audio.wnyc.org/otm/otm011014pod.mp3

kavips
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:15pm
Bill, the Tea Party types like Pizza will always be with us. Have always been with us... They were with the Jews in Egypt, they were among the Greeks and Romans, they existed throughout the Middle Ages as well as the last two centuries...

if one imagines a bell curve, 50% of Americans are smarter than the other 50%. That is math and shall never be changed. The Tea Party represents those on the bottom layer of the bottom half..

In most societies, they are ignored, as one does a wart with which one can do nothing with. Salve gets put on them, they get covered up, and then accepted and forgotten about.

Starting in 1994 with Gingrich's New America, someone started giving them a microphone to the nation's PA system. So their foolishness and blathering become the elephant in the room... The rest of us had to hear what they said; we could not escape it... Of course some tried to ignore it, but it was just cranked up too loud.

Today we are reacting to the noise, which far outweighs the teeny tiny minority of power they hold, or relates to their non-grasp of facts... Just as if one had to publicly address the town fool at a town festival who slipped upon stage, grabbed the mike, and just started bad-mouthing everyone in town, the ridiculous issue needs to be addressed.

Just like that town fool, people on the low intelligence end, mistake the attention they are getting for the righteousness of their cause.

What some quick thinking individual would do at the town festival, would be to unplug the microphone.... That is what needs to happen on a national level, and as of right now, hasn't. Why should any sane journalist be giving the national microphone to someone who made duck callers for a living?

Sir, can you tell us the meaning of life?
Sir, can you tell us where to invest?
Sir, can you tell us how to seduce 15 year old virgins?

It is ridiculous and future generations will no doubt say we lost our collective minds...

The problem is the microphone, and that translates today into irresponsible journalists and media moguls who cater to this extreme faction, for whatever moral weakness possesses them at the moment...

When Pizza makes his pronouncements here ... "Gays are Communists", "Stalin is Joe Biden", "Peter Nero is king of rock and roll", we all see them for what they are...

Humorous in their simplicity.

Our national media has indeed, lost it's moral compass...by constantly echoing meaningless tripe, into a national obsession.....

mrpizza
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:12pm
And don't forget, Harry Reid is Hitler.

mrpizza
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 3:40pm
To Bill and Kavips: Here's a photo gallery of all your heroes:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JRkgseRT7NY/S8YAC0N_s8I/AAAAAAAABhE/ExW5FFGCPUY/s1600/hitler%2Bmustache
%2Bbarrack%2Bobama%2Bhillary%2Bclinton%2Bharry%2Breid%2Bjohn%2Bedwards%2Bhoward%2Bdean%2Bnancy%2Bpelosi
%2Btea%2Bparty%2Bhypocrisy%2Bright%2Bwing%2Binsanity%2Bnazi%2Bprojection.jpg

billsmith
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 4:04pm
"50% of Americans are smarter than the other 50%."

Except in Lake Wobegon.

"Starting in 1994 with Gingrich's New America, someone
started giving them a microphone to the nation's PA system."

It started way before 1994. Know-Nothings. Dixiecrats.
Huey Long. Father Coughlin. KKK. Theodore Bilbo. Strom
Thurmond. Joe McCarthy. Tricky Dick. Gerald L. K.
Smith. The John Birch Society. Joe Pyne. Even Rush was around before Newt. As long as 50 percent of the population is below average, there will be those who figure that's an attractive target.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time and those are pretty good odds." - Pappy Maverick

mrpizza
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 5:29pm
You're absolutely correct, Bill. The left, headed up by CastrObama and Harry R. Hitler, will continue to exploit minorities in the ghettos for political gain by keeping them in the poor house in the name of compassion.

billsmith
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 6:22pm
While the corporate elite on the right, headed by the Koch Brothers, Norquist, and others, continue to exploit poor and working-class Whites for political gain and favorable tax, environmental and business regulations.

Anybody else notice this web page started not displaying properly sometime during the afternoon? Lines of text are not wrapping but just continue off the edge of the screen. Just this page, not the Weekend Forum.


billsmith
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 6:23pm
Woops: I mean not the Christie page.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 6:37pm
Billsmith: Yes, I noticed; wasn't sure what happened, but yes the text isn't wrapping around. Probably no one there @ the station other than the live guy for 93.7 due to WSTW/WDEL being the Wilmington flagship for what used to be called EBS or even the FM would be automated on a Sunday night.

Come to think of it 93.7 / 1150 probably are the statewide flagship stations.

mrpizza
Sun, Jan 12, 2014 7:54pm
Just remember Bill, the corporate elite on the right create jobs. The communists on the left create nothing. and suck the life out of what jobs there are.

billsmith
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:04am
That's what they claim, Pizza. Any time they want license to pollute air, ground, or water. Any time they want to pay lower taxes. Any time they want to block competition. They talk about "job creation" and expect everyone to roll over for them. Then they eliminate jobs and treat human beings like Kleenex. Lately, any "job creation" is in some other country. They are not your friends, Pizza.

mrpizza
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 4:11am
Well, they certainly ain't yours!

billsmith
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 7:16am
MFD: Think you'll appreciate this. This morning on CBC Radio One's "World Report," the newscaster closed saying, "If you're annoyed with me and want to reach me... " and then gave the address of his Twitter feed. Maybe something like that will catch on.

billsmith
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 7:45am
Interesting article in Slate on the origin of Jewish surnames. If Jesus had lived after Jews started using last names, he'd be...
Josh Plotnick (carpenter)
or Josh Mirren (Mary's son)


Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 8:15am
Mrpizza: What Billsmith said about the corporate elite is correct. You, as a working-class drone, like me, should be able to see that. That doesn't mean I support communism - I don't - but there's balance in all things. So some socialism mixed with capitalism wouldn't be a bad thing. Too far in either direction is when the trouble begins, in my opinion.


Billsmith: Interesting way to end the CBC Radio newscast. Dialog with your listeners, or at least getting some feedback. Folks telling maybe something they didn't quite understand in that broadcast, the newscaster then can clarifiy better in the next broadcast. Great idea.

So Joshua bin [or is it ben] Joseph Plotnick [Joshua son of Joseph the carpenter]. That is interesting.

billsmith
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 9:09am
MFD: According to the article, before Jews adopted last names they used son of (ben) or from (Saul of Tarsus) but these changed every generation. Say Joseph son of David and then his son would be Benjamin son of Joseph (ben Yossef). "Plotnick" comes from the word for "carpenter." Although some scholars think Jesus (Yeshua or Joshua)would more accurate be called cabinet makers, which would be "Kastner." And, yes, some families did keep a patronymic form like Josephson or just Joseph, so you'd have Joshua Josephson. If they took it back further, you'd have Joshua Davidson (or Davison, Davisen or Davidovitch).

From the comments I've seen on the NPR website (and here) people are more likely to comment when they perceive some sort of bias. I guess nobody wants to say they didn't understand something. It does not appear Mascitti has a Twitter feed.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 10:30am
Billsmith: do you have the link for that Slate mag article, that would be interesting to share are our weekly Bible Study.

I don't believe Mascitti even has an office or a phone, so you the only way to contact him is on his show. I'm not interested in having an arguement with Al about using the Lord's name, I've listened enough to his show to know how he'll react. Still haven't heard from Chris Carl, but it's only 10am.

I did check out the I heart radio talk format, none of the Salem shows are there, but there are plenty of both conservative and liberal talk shows, plus other talk formats from Science, Technology, sprituality, economics, etc. So I doubt I'll miss listening to Mascitti's show at all. Right now I'm listening piano jazz on I Heart Radio.

billsmith
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:00am
MFD: I found the stream on IHeartRadio by looking for WNTP. The New York station is WNYM. Washington is WAVA.
Salem shows are also streamed on crntalk.com (CRN3).

http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/01/08/ashkenazi_names_the_etymology_of_the_most_common_jewish_surnames.html?google_editors_picks=true

_____________

I saw how Ronan Farrow was bashing Woody Allen on Twitter after Diane Keaton accepted his Lifetime Achievement Awards at the Golden Globes. Take a look at a picture of the guy. Then look at pictures of Woody Allen and Frank Sinatra. Not much doubt whose kid he really is. Pray for Rosemary's Baby.

ccarl
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:59am
Hi Mike. I got your message and relayed it to Al. In the future, e-mail is preferred - ccarl@wdel.com.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:36pm
Hi Carl, Thank You.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:38pm
Billsmith: I'll check those out, thanks !

mrpizza
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 8:34pm
MFD: Sorry, but good never mixes with evil.

mrpizza
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 9:00pm
MFD: Just to clarify, I don't trust any government agency to not go overboard. That's why not even the TEA party is far enough right for me. I would like the balance you speak of too, but I consider it a pipe dream.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:41pm
Mrpizza: You make it sound like the government is evil. What decides that is the people in government. I prefer a balanced approach, because it makes sense to me that we take the best parts of both systems (capitalism & socialism) & discard the bad parts of both systems (capitalism & socialism).

There needs to be regulations to keep industries from polluting our air & ruining our water, etc. There needs to be regulations for the banking industry to keep the financial sector from pushing our society over an economic cliff due to poor banking / business decisions.

Again balance, smart well-thought-out laws without the excesses, or that are too weak to be effective, or so far over the top that businesses cannot compete. In a perfect world we wouldn't need laws, but as we both know we live in a far less than perfect world. So we need rules, regulations, and laws that have penalties.

That's why I can't support the TEA party. TEA party members don't want balance; they don't want to support anything from government other than the military, which is not a balanced approach. They worry about the deficit, but their only solution is to balance the budget on the backs of the poor & elderly, while allowing the upper 2% to reap all the benefits as their salaries continue to climb without any added burden. That's not a balanced approach. Funny, the upper-crust never is challenged while the working folks & retired folks on fixed incomes are always the ones taking the hit. That too isn't balanced.

billsmith
Tue, Jan 14, 2014 3:49am
Everybody likes the idea of "balance." Nobody can agree on what balance is. Or even what should be balanced.

Pizza is so enamored of the corporate sector. He wants to give them free reign in everything. Yet he works for the government. He's never had an opportunity to experience how corporations can abuse workers.

And MFD, except for religion, seems to think that truth always lies midway between two opposing viewpoints. Flat Earth? Round Earth? Curved Earth! Sorry, no! There's no "balance" between health and safety, and corporate profits.

Corporations - legal "persons" - are concerned about profits. That's the law. Not their workers. Not their customers. Not their suppliers. Not the future. Not the long-term impact of what they do. Just immediate, short-term profits. Dividends. The stock price. And because corporations are essentially anonymous bureaucracies, there can be no individual responsibility. No pride in ownership or product quality.

It's curious how people get so upset over Chris' traffic jam and so blaze about the bail-outs and the corporate drones who got them and abused them for their own gain. Where's the balance in that?

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jan 14, 2014 7:06am
Billsmith: I agree with your point. Balance is much like music. One Man's music is another man's noise. For me, the balance with the health & safety is making laws that keep us safe from polluters, etc., who'd use our rivers & air as their personal garbage-dump without needless overkill doing more than is needed.

With faith, there is a different thing than politics. Yet there are different elements of belief. The fundamentalist (Baptist, Assemblies of God, & many non-denominational churches) read the entire Bible as reading a textbook, including Psalms, Proverbs, Song of Solomon). All is literal - the flat-earth view, many of these folks use the Bible as a science book.

Another group (Lutheran LCMS, ELCA, United Methodist, conservative Presbyterian) read the Bible by the type of book it is (psalms are poetry, not literal; Acts history is, etc.) believe the Bible is God's infallible word. So not flat-earth, don't use the Bible as a science book.

billsmith
Tue, Jan 14, 2014 8:48am
MFD: Better check. I think the Missouri Synod belongs in your second paragraph, rather than the third. But I'd agree that certain fundamentals should not be compromised or balanced. Certainly not with profits. Health and safety would be at the top of the list. No business is entitled to profits (or to survival). Instead of hiring lawyers and lobbyists in order to keep polluting, corporations should find more efficient and cost-effective ways to operate cleanly and safely. That's supposed to be what capitalism is all about.

The problem here is you say not doing more than is needed. What's "more than is needed?" All sorts of different opinions on that. And the target keeps moving. Science and industry have learned a lot in recent decades and what they have learned seems to keep raising the bar on how much is needed. Would you rather end doing too little or too much to protect health and safety - short-term and long-term? Me, I'd rather err on the side of caution than on the side of corporate profits.

Maybe you saw the American Experience program "The Poisoner's Handbook." WHYY-TV showed it last week and it's available online. It deals with the development of forensic science (what they do on CSI) but it also looks at all the dangerous and toxic things pharmaceutical, chemical and consumer products companies used to put in their products and sell to people - before the FDA, the EPA and all those "unnecessary" regulations Pizza hates.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/poisoners/

Each time new controls on smoking were introduced, industry and people like Pizza said those were "unnecessary." Yet, estimates now show that since the Surgeon General's first report 50 years ago, eight million lives have been saved by those "unnecessary" controls - equal to entire population of New York City.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/01/07/260438987/50-years-after-landmark-warning-8-million-fewer-smoking-deaths

What's needed is not always in the middle.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:54am
Billsmith said, "Would you rather end doing too little or too much to protect health and safety - short-term and long-term? Me, I'd rather err on the side of caution than on the side of corporate profits."

Answer: Do too much, because to do too little means regular folks like all of us here would get hurt as in the West Virginia water story of last week.

You're correct, finding the balance is difficult, because that middle ground seems to be different for each person. That's why I reject the extremes on either side, because they are not balanced, but that gray area in the middle is fuzzy and hard to fine-tune.

My experience in the LCMS Lutheran Church here in NCC is yes, they do believe in the 6 twenty-four hour days of creation and read the Genesis Creation account as history rather than figuratively or as I read that part of Genesis, as God giving us the headlines of the story, saying yes, I created it by putting the creation account into terms the people 4000 years ago would understand so I have no problem with the idea of God doing the creation in 6 twenty four hour days; but don't believe that's what God meant [the sun where we get our day and year from weren't created until the third of fourth day]. I believe it's more like 6 one billion year days, again the scriptures aren't supposed to represent Science truths, just God's truth about his plan of redemption for mankind.

I've had some discussions with two LCMS pastors in the area and they are of the 6 twenty four hour day view, but didn't seem upset that I wasn't [maybe the Delaware churches are not as uptight about this as the Midwestern Churches are due to this being a very science oriented area due to the numerous chemical and science oriented companies, etc, in the Wilmington area]. So for that reason I put the LCMS in that the second group rather than with the Fundamentalists who'd have a real problem with my views on that and other issues.

But the LCMS is more conservative in their views on a number of issues than the ELCA so maybe the LCMS need to be in a catagory of their own, not Fundamentalist, yet not exactly like the "Mainline Denominations" like the ELCA and today's United Methodists, Episcopalians, etc.

billsmith
Tue, Jan 14, 2014 11:15am
Now there's another political scandal getting media attention on the other side of the Hudson from Bridgegate. It's Pizzagate. Shows how easily political images can shatter.

Notice the typically political weasel response and excuses.
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'Lesson No. 1: Learn how to eat your city's signature dish:' Jon Stewart burns NYC mayor on Pizzagate

Jon Stewart went after Mayor Bill de Blasio's Pizzagate scandal on Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" Monday night, teeing off on the big guy's mind-blowing Jan. 10 food faux pas.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com#ixzz2qOF1nvz7


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