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"Experimental" Ohio Execution appears to have been protracted

The State of Ohio today executed a man convicted for the rape and murder of a woman in southern Ohio.

Deprived of the usual drug cocktail (as pharmaceutical companies rebel against having their drugs used for executions in the United States), Ohio authorities used a controversial, two-drug cocktail, never before attempted in the United States. Critics called it "experimental", and they appear to have been correct. Accounts of the execution suggest it was long and excruciating.

Here is an account from The COLUMBUS DISPATCH... (If you want to understand why many folks elsewhere in the civilized world consider many people in the U.S. to be barbaric, take a look at the readers' comments following the article!)


Note: The incoming Chief Justice of the Delaware Supreme Court, Leo Strine, has indicated his personal opposition to capital punishment, but said it isn't for him to impose his view rather than follow the existing law in Delaware. We're going to have to find out when Delaware runs out of its current reserve of the established drug cocktail. One wonders if Strine and his colleagues - not to mention the Governor or Board of Pardons - would have to rethink their legal positions if and when Delaware runs out... in view of what happened today in Ohio. Wouldn't this be exhibit 'A' for cruel & unusual punishment?

Tabloid treatment of the story from The DAILY MAIL on line...


Posted at 1:48pm on January 16, 2014 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 2:15pm
Why is it so difficult for prisons to execute by lethal injection while veterinarians are able to euthanize people's pets humanely, easily, and effectively?

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 2:22pm
Upon reading the symptoms of death, I could only think that Newark's poor residents will be soon undergoing the same when their power plant begins spitting out radon, arsenic, uranium, and cobalt.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jan 16, 2014 3:21pm
Billsmith asks a good question about veterinarians and putting our pets to sleep. Maybe those in the government need to hire themselves a vet. Problem solved.

Another option: If they must execute, why not five bullets? Quick and very inexpensive. Same result, they're dead.

The bigger issue is that there have been many folks executed [usually poor folks] who were later found to be innocent.

The two-tiered justice system in the U.S. The wealthy, Hollywood, Pro-Athlete, Politician, CEO's vs. the rest of us.

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:11pm
The U.S. wants to set itself apart from the rest of the so-called "free world," or "first world," and continue to practice judicial murder. Executions should not be so easy on the rest of us, and that's the apparent purpose of lethal injection. And notice that death penalty advocates insist on keeping executions shrouded. There have been attempts to make them public or to televise them, and the death penalty advocates fight it. What are they trying to hide? Are they ashamed of what they are doing in our name?

If you all insist on capital punishment, it should be ugly and messy and make you uncomfortable. Yes, Mafia-style hits - bullet to the back of the head - would fit the bill. One bullet will do. The Soviets used that method. The guillotine would also do.

And whatever the method, the jurors who vote for death should have to carry it out; all 12 should have to throw the switch. And for good measure, the governor should be required to attend and give the order personally.

Kavips: Maybe those plants create jobs, or maybe not. But killing people would still lower the unemployment numbers and create job openings.

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:53pm
I think it's time to drag old sparky out of the closet and put him back to work. Fry the b-----ds!

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:04pm
Pizza, would you volunteer to test it to make sure it still works?

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:15pm
Sure, you strap a convicted murderer in there, and I'll throw the switch.

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:23pm
Per Allan's suggestion, I read some of the posts to the article and I find it refreshing that people in the Midwest still hold values that favor the victim over the perpetrator. Maybe the country hasn't totally gone to hell in a handbasket just yet.

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:24pm
"For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." This guy reaped exactly what he sowed.

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:42pm
There were far fewer murders when capital punishment was banned, than there are today when it is legal.

Capital punishment sends a signal that yes, it is great to kill as long as you don't get caught...

Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:50pm
Actually Kavips, you have it backwards. It's murder that's become legal.

Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:09am
No, Pizza. I was inviting you to sit in the chair. It does not seem to bother you that too often, innocent people get convicted and executed. You hold what the law calls a "wanton disregard for human life." That makes you a murderer. That you take such apparent glee in executions makes you sick. Keep it up. You might make me want to believe there's a hell for people like you.

And Kavips is correct: Capital punishment correlates with a higher murder rate.

Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:55am
Ohio botched the execution. The guy was gasping for air for 15 minutes before he died. They might as well have used a plastic dry cleaners' bag. This is why the civilized world considers the U.S. barbarous.
Don't count on it! Killer claims he's going to HEAVEN as he gasps, snorts, and takes 15 minutes to die in first 'air hunger' execution

* 'I'm going to heaven, I'll see you there when you come,' were Dennis McGuire's final words before he succumbed to the lethal injection
* He was pronounced dead at 10:53 a.m. after one of the longest executions since Ohio resumed capital punishment in 1999
* McGuire's stomach rose and fell several times as he repeatedly opened and shut his mouth
* His adult children sobbed a few feet away in a witness room as they watched him die, his daughter exclaimed 'Oh my God'
* The two-drug combination was used after supplies of the state's previous drug dried up
* McGuire's attorneys argued the cocktail would cause 'air hunger,' which sees someone experience panic and terror as they strain to breathe
* He ate a last meal of roast beef, a cream cheese bagel, fried chicken, potatoes two ways, butter pecan ice cream and Coca-Cola Wednesday
* McGuire, 53, was sentenced to die for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of Joy Stewart in Preble County in western Ohio

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540588/Ohio-murderer-executed-untried-injection-meal-roast-beef-bagel-onion-butter-pecan-ice-cream-fried-chicken.html#ixzz2qeF4djcQ

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jan 17, 2014 7:01am
What a horrible way to execute someone. The bullet would have been far more merciful. His adult kids got to see their father suffer, that ought to leave some mental scars. Barbaric is a good word.

Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:07am
I have to comment on Pizza's "whatever a man sows he shall reap"... I guess hell was then invented for the Tea Party? As well as those Republicans too cowardly to call them out for what they are?

Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:13am
Actually Mike, bullets are rather messy. Someone has to clean-up the splatters with liquid Dawn and Clorox. Hanging is far more humane....

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:19am
Kavips I'm thinking in terms of the victim. A bullet, instantly you're dead, hanging takes a few minutes I believe.

New Topic: Allan hasn't started the Friday Free for all thread yet.

Mrpizza: Here is an Associated Press article telling about air pollution in China. This is why we do need some government regs.


Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:10pm
The guilty person raped & murdered a pregnant woman... sorry, but I have very little sympathy for him, though it would suck for his family to view the death of their loved one. If the death penalty is to be kept why not simply do as we do for the terminally ill, and overdose him on Morphine?

Btw, Mike...hanging (when done correctly) is instantaneous due to the breaking of the neck...

Fri, Jan 17, 2014 7:43pm
"The guilty person raped & murdered a pregnant woman..."

Convicted is not the same as "guilty." You tea baggers don't trust the other two branches of government but you'll trust three sleazy lawyers (including the judge, who probably was not a good lawyer and that's why he's a judge), cops and crime lab people known to lie, and 12 bored people not smart enough to get out of jury duty. Add to that unless you have a lot of money, there's no way you have a competent defense.

Any method of execution works "when done correctly." Done correctly is the problem. Hanging was even more problematical than lethal injection.

I have more respect for actual murderers than tea baggers clamoring for the death penalty. If murderers want somebody dead, at least they have the guts to do it themselves. And they don't appear to take pleasure in it like tea baggers do.

Fri, Jan 17, 2014 10:02pm
Bill: There's no reason anybody these days should be wrongly convicted. Technology now enables us to conclusively prove or disprove guilt in most cases. In circumstantial cases, I would move to sentence them to life without parole and use them to build highways via the chain gang.

MFD: I don't oppose having some regulations, but we now have overregulation, or regulation run amuck. The problem is that regulatory agencies have too much power and do not answer to Congress as the constitution demands. This is why we need to elect a TEA party majority so we can stop the abuses by regulatory agencies against American citizens.

Fri, Jan 17, 2014 10:22pm
By the way Bill, Kavips is wrong. Texas has the highest percentage of executions in the nation and the lowest per capita murder rate to correspond with it.

Sat, Jan 18, 2014 3:39am
Pizza lies. Texas 2012 murder rate is 4.4 per 100,000 people (ranked 24th). Delaware has 6.2 per 100,000 (ranked 8th). The average murder rate for death penalty states is 4.7 per 100,00 and for non-death penalty states it is 3.7 per 100,000. The most murderous state is Louisiana, home of the Duck Dynasty, at 10.8. (Is it too late to return it to France for a refund?)

"Technology now enables us to conclusively prove or disprove guilt in most cases."
Unfortunately, that happens long after the trial and often when somebody is about to be executed or has been executed. Technology can't make up for an incompetent defense, which is all that most people get. Good lawyers cost money. And technology can't make up for cops who lie and techs who fabricate results. And for DAs who suppress exculpatory evidence. But I'm sure you don't care about any of that because if cops arrest somebody they must be guilty of something.

"The problem is that regulatory agencies have too much power and do not answer to Congress as the constitution demands."

Another lie. Have you no shame you despicable, Nazi? By the way, have you ever read the constitution? Apparently, not. Members of regulatory agencies are confirmed by the senate. The agencies were set up by congress. They get their budgets from congress. And they are required to appear before congressional committees regularly to account for their performance. The supreme court has ruled that they are constitutional.

"...we now have overregulation, or regulation run amuck."

Really? Like what? It's sick that you care more about the Koch Brothers' making money than you do about the air you breathe or the water you drink.

Thanks to modern technology, you can troll message boards instead of mouthing off in a bar and getting the whupping you seem to be asking for. Get some professional help before it's too late.

Sat, Jan 18, 2014 4:05am
I give up. I don't think I can ever outrave with raving maniac.

Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:38pm
mrpizza: Well said...reason does not work with bill.

bill: I don't know if you post on DelawareLiberal but you would fit in quite well over there...lots of "know-it-alls" who are "too smart" to learn they actually don't know all.

Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:05am
Earl, are you borrowing Pizza's dumb pills? If you had been paying attention - apparently something you tea baggers have trouble doing - you would know I am not a liberal and, in fact, I despise them almost as much as I despise you petty fascists.

What does an ignorant dolt like you know about reason? All you two know is hate and anger. The elite screw you over and you say, "thank you, sir, may I have another?" And then you hate the government for trying to stop it.

Did you two enjoy the cross burning last night?

Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:28am
bill: Never said you were a Liberal...simply someone who would fit in well with all the other "brilliant know-it-all" cyber-bullies on that blog.

Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:44am
"simply someone who would fit in well with all the other "brilliant know-it-all" cyber-bullies on that blog."

Gee, that description fits you, Pizza, Rush, Jensen, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Watson...
Pot calling kettle, eh?

Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:42pm
Count the number of names/put-downs in your own post in comparison to mine or even mrpizza and you win the cyber-bully title here.

"...borrowing Pizza's dumb pills?...tea baggers...I despise them almost as much as I despise you petty fascists....an ignorant dolt like you know about reason? All you two know is hate and anger..."thank you, sir, may I have another?"...Did you two enjoy the cross burning last night?"
Remove the plank bill...it must be very painful and blinding you ;)

Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:30pm
Earl: Awww. Poor baby. What you tea baggers need is for the Gay Defense League to show what real bullying feels like.

Mon, Jan 20, 2014 10:53am
bill: You mean like this?

You just keep following Savage's (how appropriately named) example of bullying and see how that works for you...

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