WDEL Blog: Allan Loudell

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So which stories / topics / issues have captured your attention this weekend?

Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, in a statement, makes the case for a more sophisticated crime lab. Beau Biden says Delaware needs to build its own, independent, state-of-the-art laboratory. This represents the AG's rather tardy response to the mushrooming scandal where drug evidence has been tainted, altered, or has turned up missing. The attorney general says drug evidence should not be sent to separate, private labs. Beau Biden holds Maryland as a model, but doesn't give a pricetag. As usual, Beau Biden was unavailable to discuss his initiative in greater detail.

Wilmington City Council members focused Thursday night on how city cops are deployed. For example, Councilman Mike Brown suggests using civilian workers for some administrative functions, freeing up officers to return to the streets. Here's the rub.: Some of these officers worked their way to these desk jobs. Mayor Dennis Williams' security detail would be reduced from five officers to two fulltime officers.

On implementation of the Cure Violence "Chicago Plan", the more and more I think about it - and research this issue - the more and more it becomes clear to me that this could only heighten the estrangement between the mayor and his hand-picked chief of police vs. the rank & file. Further, one wonders whether Mayor Williams - seen by some as a control freak, especially in the area of his old bailiwick, law enforcement - might not one day wonder what he beckoned into the city. Remember, one of the central themes is that folks in the streets, some "former" gang members themselves, earn the trust of street folks by NOT relaying information to police.

One of the predicted negative effects of President Obama's health-care overhaul...



"As the Federal health reform known as Obamacare takes hold, many community colleges in Maryland and across the country are capping the hours of adjunct faculty - who make up the bulk of their teaching force - to avoid paying for instructors' health insurance.

The limits put the adjunct teachers on the leading edge of fallout from the Affordable Care Act, whose critics predict that a range of employers will increasingly rely on part-timers to sidestep insurance requirements that go into effect in 2015..."

Some previous conservative defenders of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy have been trying to diassociate themselves from Bundy, after his racist comments began to circulate. Bundy has made headlines since his showdown with the Feds over non-payment of taxes. His defenders saw him as a classic victim of harassment by the 'overreaching' Federal government. No matter that he was and is basically a tax evader.

The Russian--Ukrainian crisis showed no sign of abating. Clashes appeared to be spreading across eastern Ukraine as Russia began military drills along the frontier.

The NEW YORK TIMES summarizes the global big picture:


TOKYO -- "President Obama encountered setbacks to two of his most cherished foreign-policy projects on Thursday, as he failed to achieve a trade deal that undergirds his strategic pivot to Asia and the Middle East peace process suffered a potentially irreparable breakdown.

Mr. Obama had hoped to use his visit here to announce an agreement under which Japan would open its markets in rice, beef, poultry, and pork, a critical step toward the trade pact. But Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was not able to overcome entrenched resistance from Japan's farmers in time for the president's visit.

In Jerusalem, Israel's announcement that it was suspending stalemated peace negotiations with the Palestinians, after a reconciliation between the Palestine Liberation Organization and the militant group Hamas, posed yet another obstacle to restarting a troubled peace process in which Secretary of State John Kerry has been greatly invested..."

Posted at 8:00am on April 25, 2014 by Allan Loudell

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Fri, Apr 25, 2014 8:10am
I thought this would be mentioned since it has input on the gigantic debate in the Delaware General Assembly over whether or not we should even allow charter schools to exist in this state, and that was the release of expenses from one Delaware charter school... Speaks for itself...

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Which is why Charters must be gotten rid of. The whole idea of charters schools is that they are beyond all state control. They can do whatever they want... What you see above is your property tax-dollars if you live in Red Clay School District... This is something you would never see if you had an elected school board overseeing your money, as you do in all public schools...

One more proof that Charter Schools have got to go...

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 8:12am
Sorry that the format spread out the expenses such... It looked much more compact in the editing window....

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 25, 2014 8:35am
Seems like the law could be adjusted so that any tax dollars a charter gets is ONLY spent on teachers, buildings, books, computers, etc. NOT all that stuff you listed. THAT should be paid for from their own pockets.

A different subject:

Beau Biden is trying to get the focus off both HIM as a no-show to the public, and the Robert Richards' scandal. Sure, a state-of-the-art crime lab would be great, but what good is such a facility IF you're NOT going to punish the criminals who've committed the crime? If we had that delux crime lab, Robert Richards' outcome still would have been the same; he got no punishment, not because they couldn't find enough evidence, but because he's wealthy - a trust-fund baby, he wouldn't do well in prison, so we'll just not do anything.

Sure, Biden doesn't want to talk to the press or the public, because he doesn't want to have to discuss that or his illness. So baby brother Hunter goes on national TV, why not Beau? He even dodges Allan's interviews on WDEL [Loudell's interviews are not exactly the "gotcha" type, but even Allan is blown off].

What all the local media SHOULD do is offer him no further coverage at all, until he has a press conference in Wilmington so that you folks can ask him the real questions we all want answered. He's playing you folks, and you're allowing it. Yes I realize the media can't have a meeting and say no coverage to the Bidens until Beau shows up for a live press conference; that would be a conspiracy or something.

The people of Delaware are being manipulated by the Biden family so that Beau can become Governor. I hate being manipulated, so no Biden will get any votes from me. Sadly, most of Delaware will vote for him and his Dad [if he runs for Prez], so my protest is in vain, but I've had enough of this family playing the media and the people of Delaware like suckers. Delaware and the U.S. don't need the Bidens to be a great state or nation.

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 9:25am
That looooooooooong list of expenses offers no context, no explanation of how those expenses occurred. Some of you hold up businesses as examples of how things should be done. Well, those look like normal business expenses that employees are NOT asked to pay out of their own pockets. It looks like some people from the school went to a convention. So before blasting these expenses, it might be well to find out what convention, what people from the school did there and what benefit the school got from them attending.

MFD: The media (even more than the people) have been very willing and eager to puff and glorify the Biden family. They are enablers and collaborators. Allan Loudell more than anyone. He owes his audience an apology. But don't hold your breath and don't expect "tough questions" either.

If the Russians took out Biden while he's over there and Kim took out Obama while he's over there, Boehner would be president. That would make the TPers happy.

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 12:57pm
I could see Boehner at his first presidential press conference ...

"I'm so proud to be president (sob), of the (sob) greatest (sob) country in the world...(ah heck... booo hooo hooo hooo) Tissue please... My orange is running.

Yep... that sounds like the type of tea partier we'd get.....


And yes Bill, those are just expenses out of context that came to light right when the entire concept of why we even have charter schools period, is under General Assembly debate....

The convention was for a corporate charter cheerleading convention with workshops, so when they came back they could lobby for more charters... If a top 1% wants to send a floogy down to a convention for something like that, that would be no problem...

But why should Mike of Delaware have to pay for it, and have his property values plunge 88% because his neighborhood school system, suddenly can't afford to run itself because it's money is being siphoned over to a charter...

And Mike, one could put limits on Charter schools, but that would make them non-Charters... Charter schools are schools with no rules... Basically a marketing push to make money for the owners, and nothing else....

The Charter school movement is what destroyed Philadelphia, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Washington, and Chicago's urban school districts....

If society still wants charter schools they need to pay for them no longer out of property taxes (save that for public schools), but by taxing the top one percent closer to what they used to pay in the past....

Allan Loudell
Fri, Apr 25, 2014 1:10pm
Remember, many of the Tea Partiers want Boehner's head. Many Tea Party candidates challenging incumbents (who might have previously run with the Tea Party's endorsement themselves) say, if elected, they'd vote to oust Boehner.

That prompted this headline in POLITICO, for example, "Tea Party eats its own in Oklahoma".

As for charter schools, I share much of kavips' skepticism.

Here in Delaware, because of the public-charter-parochial-private school divide, I would argue the result is that kids have many fewer options and opportunities than they'd have with one dominant school.

Allan Loudell

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 1:13pm
You are correct Mr. Loudell...the Tea Party does not like Boehner and Boehner does not like the Tea Party.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 25, 2014 1:20pm
Kavips said: "The Charter school movement is what destroyed Philadelphia, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Washington, and Chicago's urban school districts...."

So what destroyed NCC's public school districts? Not Charter Schools.

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 1:39pm
kavips: Based on your description, this does not sound like an appropriate use of public money. If somebody is not happy with public schools (and I don't blame anybody who is), they can start a private school. They don't get tax dollars but they don't pay taxes either. With all the private schools that have managed to operate in the black for decades, it's clear that it can be done.

It's curious that many fundamentalists would rather home-school kids than have their denominations start their own parochial schools. And for all the people like Pizza who complain about public schools (no prayers, not teaching creationism, not teaching abstinence ...), instead of bitching, why aren't they getting their own churches to start parochial schools (and campaigning for vouchers)?

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 25, 2014 3:33pm
I see from WDEL's news page, that Kathleen Jennings has decided to support Matt Denn for Delaware AG.

My guess is, someone [presumably the part big-shots] sat her down and explained that with her baggage [Robert Richards' case] that the odds of her winning were slim to none, thus positioning the Del G.O.P. for an easy victory. Matt Denn doesn't have that baggage.

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 5:33pm
Here is an additional thought re: Beau as governor. Who would be Lieutenant Governor? If Beau's health is possibly as poor as many believe, and he is unable to serve out the term, who would be his successor? That could be a scary thought. Chip Flowers? Karen Weldin Stewart? Who else has visions of grandeur in the state? Go ahead and discuss among yourselves and let it degrade into a typical name-calling diatribe...

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Apr 25, 2014 6:13pm
Arthur : you bring up another good reason Beau Biden should not be our Governor.

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 7:17pm
MFD: Reminds of Woody Allen's famous mother's complaint about a restaurant: The food was bad and they didn't give you enough to eat.

Fri, Apr 25, 2014 8:51pm
I second EarlGrey's emotion. I too want Boehner's head - on a cast-iron platter.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 8:22am
Like they use in pizza joints? Pizza, Earl said he did not like Boner. He did not call for his head on a platter. For a guy who keeps spouting religion, you seem to have a lot in common with Herod Antipas.
I see the head of Westboro Baptist, your favorite church, died. And when he was ill before he died, the church excommunicated him because they decided being sick meant the god disapproved of him. Really nice people, eh? Jesus said to visit the sick, not shun them. Again, double standard plus selective use of scripture.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 26, 2014 8:22am
Mrpizza: I'm not any sort of an English language scholar, but I believe you meant to say: I second EarlGrey's motion. Of course EarlGrey may have been very emotional when he typed his thought so maybe you might have said instead, his emotional motion.

That's kind of like the following sentence your boss, at your second job, might say to you: Could you go and deliver these pizza's to the XYZ Nursing Home. He really meant to say, Would you go and deliver these pizza's to the XYZ Nursing Home.

Sure you CAN deliver them, but the real statement should be, will you. In the work place "would you" is more of a command than an actual question, when the boss says would you, he/she really means I want you, but it sounds less like a command using the words would you instead of I want you to do, or Go do thus and such.

The only reason I know this, and more importantly remember it, Mrpizza is one of my teacher's used to nail me for both of those mistakes when I'd say or write them, many years ago. So your statement just kind of jumped out at me and brought back those memories, from about 50 years ago, of her explaining all that to me.

Some of you folks here that are actually good at writing the English language feel free to correct me, because I believe I got it right, but no guarantees. I believe I remembered it correctly - heh heh.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 9:49am
Speaking of proper English, since Pizza is discussing an intense dislike, I am under the impression that he was correct in stating he seconded Earl's emotion, and was playing on the idiom of "seconding the motion" to achieve full effect... I see it as a rather brilliant use of language, one that uses the rules of English to achieve an even greater effect.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 9:50am
Bill S. I've never seen pizza joints... How on earth do you get them to stay lit?

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 9:55am
And echoing BillS again, Herod too was the first thing I thought of when reading of Pizza's "head on a platter"...

(Just for readers who are unfamiliar with Judaic Christian history, Herod was not known as a religious man.)

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 10:12am
Kavips: First the joint. Then the pizza. Although I did see a recipe for weed pizza one time.

Guys, Earl's "motion" was to dislike Boner. Not to put his head on the platter. But he said "I, too" indicating Earl also wanted Boner's head on a platter (which may or may not be true but Earl did not say that). FTR: Herod Antipas did not just "dislike" John the Baptist. He probably disliked him all along but it wasn't problem until Herod demanded his head on a platter.

MFD: One does not use an apostrophe to make a plural, just in possessives. Two pizzas. The pizza's crust.

The boss in your example is not asking a question (would you/could you instead of you will - or an even stronger imperative - you shall). The boss is giving an order (with consequences if it is not followed). He weakens the order (or disguises it) further by using the subjunctive (would you instead of will you). It's curious that so many people in this country as so wishy-washy in making requests. In the military, orders are often phrased as "I want," which is more straightforward but still indirect. Apparently, brass assume their wish really is everybody else's command.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 10:53am
I just LOVE how you guys spend enough time to write half a page speculating about one sentence that took me only a few seconds to write. It's totally comical. Also, I think you people know that the cast-iron platter is metaphorical. In all cases, both mine and all other TEA "bigots", we're talking about his political head, or "send him a packin' back to Youngstown.

And no Mike from Delaware, "I second EarlGrey's emotion" was not a typo. Have you ever heard of Smokey Robinson? Here's a link to refresh your memory:


Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 26, 2014 11:12am
Billsmith: thanks, I make that mistake often with apostrophes.

Mrpizza: I get it. Hey it was something different to bat around than the usual stuff.

Kavips: good play on words, pizza joints.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 11:28am
Apparently, charter schools have another BIG source of money...

A Walmart Fortune, Spreading Charter Schools


Back in her White Water days, Hillary was Wal-Mart's lawyer and sat on their board.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 26, 2014 11:34am
Bill: your comment about the military brought back a couple of old memories when you said:

\"It\'s curious that so many people in this country as so wishy-washy in making requests. In the military, orders are often phrased as \"I want,\" which is more straightforward but still indirect. Apparently, brass assume their wish really is everybody else\'s command.\"

While in the Air Force, during Viet Nam, there was a push for the military to be \"nicer\" as the \"New Army\", don\'t remember the details. The comic strip \"Beetle Bailey\", at the time, showed this where Sgt. Snorkel was commanding in his loud voice for Beetle Bailey to mop a floor or something like that, and the last frame then shows Sgt. Snorkel\'s face all scrunched up as he pauses and says.....Please?

I also remember when in boot camp at Lackland AFB, in San Antonio Texas [1970], one of the guys bought this record that was being sold in the BX [Base Exchange] of boot camp. The idea was you could send this home to your family and they\'d get an idea of what your boot camp experience was like. This was a very funny album, because it was \"G\" rated. The TI\'s [Training Instructors] never cussed at all on the album, never yelled. These guys were less abusive than Sgt. Carter was to Gomer Pyle on TV. Talk about propaganda. Even the women Sgt\'s used plenty of very \"salty\" language when commanding their female squads. Heard some surprising language coming from those female Sgt\'s as all the various squads were forming up to march back to our respective barracks after a Sunday morning chapel service. I think they\'d have made a sailor blush.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 12:22pm
Quick change of topic, here is the rankings of countries based on their net averaged worth...done by Credit Suisse. Simply taking the total nations wealth and dividing it by all its people. If you have must wealth at the very top, this method readily show it. It also shows the middle class is the one getting screwed by the process. I am still trying to find a similar chart based off the year 2000 which I think will show in finality, how the Bush Tax cuts are what destroyed America, and how raising them back, is what will rebuild us...

But get used to this chant: "We're number 24! We're number 24!' Check out who is above us!


Sat, Apr 26, 2014 12:24pm
Funny how all those...."socialist" (not really but called such by Tea Partiers who don't understand what Socialism is) are all doing far, far, far, far better than those nations adherent to the "capitalist" tradition.....

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 26, 2014 1:40pm
Kavips: Forgive me for my ignorance and not totally understanding this, but Sweden and Denmark are below us [28 and 36 respectively, but certainly many or most of the "socialist" nations score higher on this list than the US.

Canada is an impressive 12 vs our 24.

It's a bit confusing though, at least for me, as some of those nations have financial problems like Iceland, Greece, Italy, Spain, and I believe Ireland [the big EU credit crisis of a couple years ago where Germany didn't want to bail out those poor credit nations, etc]. So I'm not sure if this list is correct, or what exactly it really tells us. Or if the data it does tell us is useful.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 2:43pm
The mean is the same as the average (take the total wealth and divide by the number in the population, as Kavips said). The median is the half-way point: Half the population is above that number and half below. In a perfect bell-shaped distribution (or Gaussian curve), the two numbers would be the same. What's disturbing for the US is how low the 50/50 dividing line is - probably reflecting the intense concentration of wealth among a relatively small number of people at the high-end.

While Scandinavia does have a social safety net (much more than here) it is hardly socialist by any standard and those countries' economies operate with a big private sector, privately-owned businesses.
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Plus several big banks and financial firms.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 2:56pm
God bless Walmart, and God bless the USA.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 5:06pm
Pizza: "We the people" do not second your notion. Wal-Mart consistently ranks at the bottom of the Consumer Reports customer satisfaction rankings. Wal-Mart is to retail as Dominos is to Pizza, the USPS is to delivery and Westboro is to organized religion.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Apr 26, 2014 6:40pm
Bill: thanks for the clarification on Kavips post.

Mr. Pizza: I agree with Billsmith on this one. WalMart is using those social safety programs you hate and want to cut, as part of their business model. WalMart pays their people next nothing forcing them to have to use those \\\"evil government socialist programs yet are working full time. You see this as good????

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 7:33pm
So do you shop there? I'll bet all of you do!

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 9:10pm
Oh by the way, let me tell you what I'd do before I'd go on welfare or extended unemployment. I'd file chapter 7 and surrender my house to the bankruptcy court, then I'd move to Texas or North Dakota and get an oil job. By the way, I'm three months away from my 57th birthday, and I'm still able bodied. Most of these "victims" that Obama is creating are half my age or even less. So don't tell me about how hard it is out there. People need to do whatever they have to do, and if that means they have to move away from mommy and daddy, so be it. Personally, I'll go pick cotton in the hot Arkansas sun before I'll sit around on my can and rip off the taxpayers!

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 10:03pm
Pizza: So, you'd declare bankruptcy and welch on your debts? And you look down on people on unemployment! What a hypocrite!
For the record, unemployment is an insurance program. Your employer pays premiums. Like workers comp, social security, health insurance ....
By the way, I don't shop at Wal-Mart. Checked it out and won't go back. You'd lose the bet but you probably welch on bets, too.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 10:30pm
Hey Bill: I'd pay the creditors my last penny before doing so. This is what I'd do only in a very extreme situation. Yes, unemployment is an insurance program, but not for 99 weeks. People who go that long without working become unemployable. Maybe what this country needs is a real depression like the one in the 1930's. If the government ran out of money, maybe people would get the message that they have to accept personal responsibility for their destiny.

By the way, I shop at Walmart, and I'm proud of it. If you want to waste your money, then go shop at Acme or Pathmark, or if you're feeling really generous, go to Greenville and shop at Janssen's Market. Personally, I'd rather save my money so I can give it to the Lord's work.

Sat, Apr 26, 2014 11:03pm
Oh by the way Bill, I was in a near bankruptcy situation in 2008. I had two real estate investment that tanked. Yeah, I sold them, but for much less than I had in them. I worked at Domino's seven nights a week for three years without a vacation in order to satisfy the creditors. So don't tell me how hypocritical I am. Bankruptcy should always be a last resort, but it's still a better option than 99 weeks of unemployment. Time for the government to stop treating people like babies and force them to grow up and get a job.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 6:59am
Pizza: You are not making sense. Nothing new in that but now you are really not making sense. You would pay your creditors before going bankrupt? The sole purpose of bankruptcy is to protect you from having your assets seized by creditors. Once you pay them, they are not creditors any more and you don't need bankruptcy protection.

It's amazing the way you keep flaunting your religion and show so little compassion, empathy or understanding for people in difficult circumstances. Not only do you judge them, you haven't bothered to find out anything about them, what they are going through or how it happened to them before judging them. Your attitude, and the attitude of tea-baggers in general, seems to be: I'm OK, you're screwed up. This is how the one-percent works: They get people on the second-lowest (and most populous) rung of the socio-economic ladder to hate people on the bottom rung. That way you don't worry about all the taxes the elites don't pay and all the tax breaks and government money they get. Unemployment is a drop in the bucket compared to bail-outs. Check and see all the corporate welfare that goes to Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart, Pathmark and Acme: You just cited three of the four worst supermarket chains in the country. (The other one is in New England but part of the same company that owns Acme.) Your instincts are spot-off.

In case you are interested, the top supermarket chains with stores in this region are...
Trader Joe's

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 7:03am
This one is priceless. Woman in an SUV, possibly having had a few drinks and playing with her cellphone, rams into three kids on bikes, killing one and seriously injuring the others. Now, she is suing THEM - because she is so, so upset after all this, emotional trauma is so unpleasant. If they only hadn't been in her way.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 9:46am
Hey Bill, I'm not inconsistent as you suppose. In a bankruptcy, you pay the creditors your last penny. If your last penny doesn't satisfy the entire debt, then you proceed with the discharge of debts. What part of that don't you understand?

That woman suing those families for what is HER fault is pretty bizarre, but then I'm not surprised considering it's Canada, which is a stepchild of the U.K.

Hey, come to think of it, why file for bankruptcy? If I need to make a cool couple of million, all I need to do is walk in to a Christian-owned bakery and pretend I'm a homosexual and tell them I want a wedding cake for two men. When I'm refused, then I can just get me a lawyer and commit legalized extortion against the bakery. Brilliant!

This is the kind of culture you end up with when you allow some atheist to kick Jesus out of school.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 10:59am
Again, Pizza, you don't know what you're talking about. No, people or corporations (who are people, too, to you tea baggers) don't pay back every penny. If the creditors are lucky, they get pennies on the dollar.

Legalized extortion? Stop making stuff up.

You want Jesus in school? Start a parochial school. What's the problem? Is your church spending too much money on a big house and fancy car for the preacher? Or paying off pedophile victims? Why should non-believers have their tax dollars go to support your religion in schools? You make it clear: You think freedom of religion only applies to your religion.

If bet if a gay-owned business refused to sell something to a church group or church event, you'd be the first one looking for a lawyer. Extortion is your game.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 12:21pm
"Canada, which is a stepchild of the U.K."

So, is the US.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Apr 27, 2014 4:57pm
Mrpizza My wife and I used to shop at WalMart years ago until we read about how they treat their employees. Until they change none of my hard earned dollars will be spent there, since I'm already contributing to Sam Walton's fortune via my taxes.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 6:21pm
Retailers that make the "best places to work" list in this region are...
Whole Foods
Note: Wegmans also tops the Consumer Report best places to shop list. They are not in New Castle County yet but are preparing to open a store at the intersection of US202 and US1. Wegmans is the Disney World of supermarkets.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 7:53pm
MFD: You READ about how they treat their employees? Did you by chance go and INTERVIEW any of them? Hey, you're a news man, even though you're not currently active in the profession. What happened to doing a little "fact checking" to see if what you read is true?

Personally, I have yet to hear a Walmart employee complain about their job or their employer. In fact, I think most of them wish the media would shut up and leave them AND their employer alone.

In my opinion, most of the negative publicity has to do with unions wanting to "represent" Walmart employees. Truth is, they want to exploit those employees for more dues money so they can solicit prostitutes in Vegas as a "business expense" and contribute money to more political campaigns to help get communists elected.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 7:56pm
I also wish to add one more point, and I'm not trying to be smart here, but I would submit to you that Walmart is in and of itself a social safety net.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 8:06pm
Pizza, did YOU interview any Wal-Mart employees? No, you just said you haven't heard them complain. What did you expect? You walk in and the greeter says, "This place sucks." You work in the public sector and belong to a union, with all sorts of civil service and union protections and benefits. Yet you bash unions and government and laud those who inflate their profits by screwing their workers. You are such a hypocrite?

And have you interviewed all the people who are (or were) out of jobs because of Wal-Mart. When Wal-Mart opens up, local businesses die. Main Streets die. Jobs die. Wal-Mart under-staffs their stores and hire far fewer people than the business they kill off.

Somebody needs to smite you on the right cheek.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 9:01pm
Hey Bill, that's called COMPETITION! Yeah, sometimes competition hurts, but it sure as hell beats communism.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 9:15pm
Oh by the way Bill, I have yet to hear a Walmart greeter say Walmart sucks. And for any Walmart employees who may be unhappy with their jobs, they're hiring on the spot for oil jobs in Texas and North Dakota, so working people have the same right to exercise competition as corporations have.

Now if we can just get a business-friendly Senate and President, we can open up that pipeline and create 42,000 more jobs, which people can competitively accept or decline.

Sun, Apr 27, 2014 9:28pm
Oh, and another thing Bill. It was GOD who gave me that job at the post office that you're so jealous of. Because I "seek ye first the kingdom of God", according to Matthew 6:33, my job is part of "all these things" that are added unto me.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Apr 27, 2014 11:30pm
Mrpizza: I don't have to personally go & interview Walmart employees, there are other news people doing that, an example is the link below that shows you don't know what you're talking about.

Read this & learn something. You have an amazing lack of compassion for folks who are being taken advantage of. No one who works full time should need government assistance, food stamps, free school breakfast / lunch programs,etc, but Walmart employees do, that's wrong & should not be allowed to happen. Sam Walton is not a great man, he's running a glorified sweatshop. Somehow I don't see The Lord approving, but apparently that Prosperity Gospel only works for the frozen chosen.

Again please read the red letter parts of the New Testament. Be at peace.


Mon, Apr 28, 2014 3:42am
MFD: If you did interview people at Wal-Mart, if Pizza didn't like what you found, he'd call it "bias." After seeing his comments, maybe god will get Pizza a job at Wal-Mart.
Interviewing Wal-Mart employees is difficult, since they sic security on you if you try to do it.

Pizza: You toss around words like "communism" and "socialism" and clearly have no idea what they mean. Apparently, any regulation of any business is "communism" to you. Now, I am thinking of some of those businesses that worked better, provided better products and services and were more profitable before they got themselves de-regulated.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 3:43am
MFD: I have a great idea for you. Since you think Walmart employees are soooooooooo mistreated and abused, then do what Jesus told his disciples to do with the five loaves and fishes. YOU pay them. That's right. You go to your local Walmart and find out what each employee makes and then every payday give them a check equal to what Walmart pays them. In fact, you don't even have to do it all out or your own money. I'm sure the thugs in the unions that want to take them over will be glad to help. Now THERE's some compassion.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 4:00am
I should also remind you that whether or not Walmart is guilty as charged in this article, it's irrelevant. The left's policy of draconian regulation of businesses (Obamacare would be a shining example) is the reason these people can't find good paying jobs. So it ain't Walmart's fault. Now if you want to argue sweatshops, etc., fine, but that's a separate argument. The federal government, and particularly the Obama administration, is the reason the "improving" economy is still in the same recession that began in 2008, despite all the propaganda that it ended in 2009 (he-he-he). The truth is that Obama WANTS people on food stamps. If people told the government to keep their welfare and did whatever they had to do (work 2 jobs, take the jobs that they argue they need Mexicans for, etc.), then liberals wouldn't be needed and their political fortunes would be ruined. The government exploits these people in the name of compassion.

For the record, I was okay with "welfare to work" as was negotiated by Clinton and Gingrich. Obama has since lifted any requirements to find work. This is how votes are purchased by the left with public money. Now read THIS and learn something.

P.S.: I'm serious when I say I'll pick cotton in Arkansas if the effects of Obama's policies ever get down to me. Would you?

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 5:56am
No, you won't. You'll take your fat postal pension, which we paid in advance, and sit at your PC all day spewing hate speech.

Define "draconian."

If rich people are so abused and persecuted, how come they keep getting richer and the gulf between them and everybody else keeps getting wider? Why do you care so much about rich people and so little about everybody else?

You are like all those po' White trash tenant farmers who rushed to fight for the Confederacy to protect elite land owners' right to keep slaves, just so you they could feel superior to somebody.

Jesus to Pizza: Go away, evil doer. I don't know you.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 8:00am
Hey, Pizza, why did god send tornadoes to homes of Wal-Mart and Hobby Lobby this weekend? (See, you've got me using your brand of Westboro logic.)

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 8:25am
Hey, Pizza. I see the USPS is moving to open up Post Offices in big box retail stores - and close down actual post offices. They are already in Staples and are talking to your buddies at Wal-Mart (among others). And, oh yes, they plan to use store employees in those store POs, not postal workers. They don't get the salary, benefits, health coverage or pension you do, so they are much cheaper. But since you are so in favor of profits over people, I know you won't have a problem with any of this. On the plus side, you may have more compassion for the unemployed when you join them. You know, walk a mile in their shoes (to the unemployment office). I know you said you would never accept unemployment benefits but will go pick cotton instead. I'll believe that when I see it. In any case, between harvesting equipment and undocumented immigrants, they don't want or need you in the cotton fields.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Apr 28, 2014 8:34am
Mrpizza said, "I should also remind you that whether or not Walmart is guilty as charged in this article, it's irrelevant."

You actually support this abuse of people by spending your Postal/Pizza earnings at that store. You're proud to do it. Frankly I'm embarrassed for you, that you do shop there, but more importantly brag about it and see this Sam Walton as some hero. The fact that you can say that, with a straight face, tells me further discussion with you on this issue is pointless.

Only an idiot would claim that Obama wants people on welfare. No, he simply wanted to make it so folks who can not find jobs can still feed/clothe/house their families. I'm sure that Obama would rather have had his legacy been that his administration ended poverty, had 100% employment with no one on Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, School Lunches, or Unemployment. Sadly that's not the reality, but to say he'd prefer everyone to be on Welfare is just plain idiotic. Can't have a serious discussion with someone who says such stuff and believes it.

I don't agree with Obama ending welfare to work, so on that we can agree.

If I were as wealthy as Sam Walton, I would give money to change the law so that those folks, and all others would get a livable wage for an honest day's work [a laborer is worthy of his wages] so rather than just paying Sam's slaves, my money would make it so all working poor in the US were taken care of.

But you Mrpizza, a beneficiary of the Prosperity Gospel, where checks arrive in your mailbox all time should be tithing on those checks, and could offer that blessed money as an offering to those needy folks, especially since they labor for you as a customer.

[Yep I used to listen to those televeangelist "name it claim it" clowns on TV - Copeland, etc, - Olsten wasn't on TV back then - about 35 years ago, before I studied the Bible]. Funny I never heard those guys ever talk about the words of Jesus that said, each day take up your cross and follow me.

I just don't remember Jesus ever having a care for riches and making sure he got his and too bad so sad for everyone else. What I remember is he took care of others and he didn't have a place to lay his head. So you feel free to worship the Rolex watch, Brooks Brothers three piece suit, Gucci Loafered, limo riding televangelists as your image of the Risen Christ. That's your right, but the Risen Christ who saved me is a very different Lord than the one you genuflect to.

So if the Lord has spoken to you that thought of giving money to those WalMart folks, that's not for me, but for YOU. God hasn't spoken that to me, but apparently to you.

I'll give you the last word on this, because further comment or discussion is pointless. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Be at peace.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 9:52am
"There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person's lawful prey. It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money – that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot – it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better." - John Ruskin

"Quality is always cheaper in the long run."
- W. Edwards Deming

"Only an idiot would claim..."
MFD: Well said.

I think know you are starting to understand my "judgments" about what many so-called Christians say and do in the name of Christianity.
I'd like to see some preacher get up on a Sunday morning and deliver a sermon titled: "When Jesus said 'Pharisees' He was talking about YOU, Dummy!" Won't happen. It would kill the weeks' collection.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 11:16am
"I'd like to see some preacher get up on a Sunday morning and deliver a sermon titled: "When Jesus said 'Pharisees' He was talking about YOU, Dummy!" Won't happen. It would kill the weeks' collection."

Well bill, maybe you should visit the church I attend...that sermon has been given more than once.

I also like the title from Easter Sunday...You Are Going to DIE! Great way to start out a "nice and friendly" Easter Sunday eh?

"This skin and bones is a rental
And no one makes it out alive"

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 1:16pm
Earl: Almost as good as "life is hard; then you die."
Which church do you attend? Maybe you could invite Pizza to come, too?

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Apr 28, 2014 1:27pm
EarlGrey: Does your pastor record his sermons and put them on-line as either audio or video sermons on your church's website? I'd be interested in hearing his version of "When Jesus said 'Pharisees' He was talking about YOU, Dummy!" or whatever his title was for it. Sounds like some solid preaching.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 7:58pm
MFD: The "prosperity gospel" you so excoriate can be summed up in one verse: "Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you."

Could it be that America is seeking the things, or even worse, seeking its own kingdom?

The "prosperity gospel", at least as I know it, is part of "preaching deliverance to the captives". Poor people are captives. They need answers. Problem is, anybody who even suggests as I do that the people with problems need to take some initiatives to solve those problems are called racist, insensitive, lack of compassion, or worse. The idea that being prosperous or poor has something to do with chance or pure dumb luck is ridiculous. The truth is, before you can get a person out of poverty, you have to get the poverty out of the person. Sorry if that's cold-hearted and cruel, but it's true.

As for Walmart, if people stop shopping there, where are those people going to go? Sunday Breakfast Mission? We already have a full house there. I'm going to show Walmart's employees some compassion by patronizing their boss.

By the way, I don't expect anybody on this blog, not even EarlGrey, to agree with me. I've already said that the TEA party isn't far right enough for me. However, there are likely thousands of people who view this blog all around the world who never post on it, and if one of those people takes what I have to say to heart and acts upon it, then I've done my job.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 8:02pm
To Billsmith: You my boy, are irrelevant.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 8:39pm
OK, Pizza. How do you account for all those poor people who are devout Christians? Even those poor people mentioned in the gospels as followers of Jesus? Could it be you missed the point?

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 8:41pm
Oh by the way Mike, I tried to resist this one as I try to be as objective as possible, but I can't help but question the credibility of the Walmart story considering it's from NPR, which I consider to be a left-wing political hack organization the same as you consider Fox News a right-wing political hack organization.

So, I guess we're even-steven on that one.

Mon, Apr 28, 2014 9:16pm
Bill: To answer your question, yes there are many poor people who are followers of Jesus, even today. Unfortunately, many churches have failed in their mission to properly teach their people how to prosper according to Biblical principles. In fact, some churches even go as far as to say that poverty is a sign of holiness. Today, as in Jesus' day, there is much unbelief. Even though people accept Jesus as savior it doesn't automatically make them prosperous, or healed, or anything else. It's just fire insurance albeit the most important fire insurance you can get for free. If you're sick and want to be healed, you have to study, confess and profess, believe and obey the scriptures regarding that subject. The same is with prosperity or anything else. The saved person has to "study to show thyself approved" if they want to receive the benefits of the word. There's initiative and effort involved and the results don't usually happen like magic but most of the time happen through a process. Galatians 6:9 says "And let us not be weary in well doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not." Sometimes it takes awhile, but you can't give up.

Take for instance a runner. They don't just one day join a marathon and start running. They have to go through rigorous training for hours and hours at a time and get their bodies in shape to prepare for the marathon. Then when they finally run the marathon, they have to "endure to the end". You can't drop out of race in the middle of it and expect to win.

I think most people, myself included, are capable of a lot more than we think we are. To overcome poverty, you have to first overcome unbelief. I'm still working on that one myself, believe it or not. I'm concerned that both church and government are encouraging the easy way out rather than encouraging them to be greater than they are. Proverbs 23:7 tells us "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he." In the case of a poor person, you have to get poverty out of your spirit first before it translates into prosperity. The word says "prosper as your soul prospers". If you're poor, you have to get prosperity in your soul before it can manifest itself in your bank account. If you believe you're a pauper, you'll always be one and you won't find a job because you can't make a good impression on a prospective employer because what you think of yourself will show right through regardless of how well you dress or make the outward appearance look good.

This is the best and most exhaustive explanation I can offer. I hope it's helpful to you and to anyone else who may read it. God bless.

Tue, Apr 29, 2014 7:09am
Pizza: I'll let MFD provide a more detailed response (as I imagine he will). However, my reading of the Gospels is Jesus told people to focus on what today we'd call personal and spiritual growth and don't sweat money and buying lots of stuff. He also did not seem to have a high opinion of rich people, and said they'd be unlikely to make it to heaven.

I don't see the Walton family (or most of the corporate elite) following the "golden rule" or other ethical principles from scripture in running their businesses or in dealing with customers, employees, or suppliers. This is in marked contrast to the founders of the major department stores in the 19th century (i.e., Wanamaker, Field, Lazarus, Hudson, Penny...) who were devoted Christians and practiced a high level of honesty and integrity in their dealings - above and beyond what most people would expect. In the long term (and today's corporate types seldom think long term), honesty and integrity are good business - they build relationships, trust, and loyalty and that translates into dollars more effectively than screwing some people and ripping off others while cutting corners wherever you can (the predominant U.S. business model).

I also have to say that even with the prosperity gospel, you are working at the post office and a second job at Dominos. I don't know if the prosperity gospel will get you into heaven but it does not seem to be getting you anywhere close to chateau country.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Apr 29, 2014 8:30am
Mrpizza: Bill explained it rather well with few words.

Jesus didn't say you have to be poor to be holy, nor did he say if you are not prosperous or wealthy, you don't have enough faith, etc. Jesus did say it would be hard for a rich man to get into heaven, but that doesn't mean that there aren't or won't be any wealthy people in heaven.

Interesting how Mother Theresa came from a wealthy family and chose to serve the poor by living in poverty with them. She started an order of sisters to minister to such people. Francis of Assisi also rejected the wealth of his merchant family to become an incredible Godly man, who also started the Franciscan order of priests and brothers. These folks didn't strive after worldly properity, they again simply focused on living a humble life under Christ, loving people as Christ would.

Pope Francis is making a worldwide splash, why, because he's a Pope? No, because he's living, as much as a Pope can, like Francis of Assisi [his life as a priest was lived the same way]. Pope Francis has a heart for people similar to that of St. Francis and more importantly like Jesus.

God may choose to bless someone with an abundance of riches, but it seems more often that is not what happens to most of his followers. Funny, the opposition [the worldly spirit] says Go for the Gusto, You only go round once in life, I'm worth it, Me !!, I got mine too bad so sad for you that you didn't, I've got Billions of dollars and I need a bigger barn to store all of my wealth, etc, etc. Jesus said, take up your cross and follow me.

People who put in the offering plate with the hope of getting that "check" in the mail are NOT giving their offering with the right motive or reason and might as well not bother [like that Pharasee who prayed on the street corner so all could see how "holy" he was]. The widow who's mite we still talk about 2000 years later didn't give that mite in hopes of getting riches. That's kind of like partaking of the Eucharist in an unworthy manner.

It's one reason in the Lutheran service [both ELCA and LCMS] there is a part in the beginning of the service where all are welcomed to silently offer their sins to Christ and ask his forgiveness, then the pastor offers a general absolution so all can recieve Christ's body and blood through the bread and wine in a worthy manner. Christ knows the heart, so if someone isn't sincere in their confession the absolution [forgiveness] isn't for them. The point is the heart attitude, serving, loving, passing on the grace, kindness, compassion, etc, etc, that we who call the Risen Christ, Lord and Savior received from him.

So you can spin it any way you want, as I said before, the Jesus I know and bow before has a bleeding heart of love, not just for me, but for you, Bill, and everyone else. He loves and paid the price for our sins in spite of what we all truly deserve. The only time Jesus wore a robe of royalty here was when the Romans were mocking him with a crown of thorns.

Yes, Jesus IS real Royalty, but unlike most earthly royalty he isn't about that, and showing off, and look at me, but like a Francis of Assisi or Mother Threasa, took off his outer garment knelt down and washed his disciples feet as the lowliest servant. Somehow, I can't picture that Rolex watch, Brooks Brothers 3 piece suit, Gucci loafered, Limo riding televangelist doing that. I'm not worried about riches on earth, my treasure is with Christ and not of this world. My job here, as his follower, is not to see how much cash I can I can get, or how big of a house I can have, etc, etc, my job is to be a witness to the lost of what God through his Son Jesus Christ has done for me, a sinner so that they too can receive that love, grace, and forgiveness that can only come from Jesus Christ.

Again, I encourage you to do a devotional time of study on the Red Lettered Words of Jesus. Be at Peace.

Tue, Apr 29, 2014 9:28am
MFD: Thanks. I just notice I erred in calling the department-store founders "devoted Christians." Many were Jews (although still devoted to the principles of the Torah). Sorry.

Tue, Apr 29, 2014 8:21pm

Tue, Apr 29, 2014 10:44pm
Jesus said (in red letters, by the way) that "The poor you will always have with you."

And as long as we have Christians like Mike from Delaware speaking unbelief, the poor will continue to perpetually multiply.

Tue, Apr 29, 2014 11:25pm
Hey Mike, Sorry but I couldn't find the specific sermon(s) that called out the church (us) for too often being Pharisees...but here is a link of this year's Easter service and many others from this year: http://www.willowdalechapel.org/teachings/

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Apr 29, 2014 11:38pm
EarlGrey: thanks, I'll check out the sermons.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Apr 29, 2014 11:53pm
Mrpizza: just because the poor will be with us always doesn't mean we aren't to help them or dispise them.

Me speaking unbelief? In what? Those phony baloney televangelists, definitely. My belief & faith in the Risen Lord, Jesus Christ is as strong as ever. That's the faith & belief that counts. We aren't saved by what church we go to, salvation only comes from Jesus Christ. That's my faith & my belief. We both see through smoked colored glass, neither of us have all the stuff correct, we'll find where each of us missed the boat when Christ comes. So for now, we may be brothers in Christ, but we aren't in total agreement on all understandings, but what unites us is Jesus Christ. Let's focus on that. Further discussion on the things we don't agree on is pointless. Be at peace.

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 2:23am
MFD: I've done and continue to help the poor probably more than anyone you know. Trouble is, your brand of help will continue to keep the poor poor.

I'll put the giving record of those "phony" televangelists up next to your mainline denominations any day.

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 2:37am
"God will give it to you if he can get it through you."

- John Avanzini

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 2:56am
Mike from Delaware won't want to waste his time reading the following link, but for those of you out there in cyberspace, here's some powerful truth:


Wed, Apr 30, 2014 3:11am
You have what you say, and what you said yesterday is what you have today. - Kenneth Copeland

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 3:51am
"And now let the weak say I am strong
Let the poor say I am rich
Because of what the Lord has done for us."

- Henry Smith

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 5:13am
Pizza: Copeland? Really? He's not going to teach you how to become rich. He's going to teach you how to make him rich - more correctly, even richer. Go to religion to get to heaven or become a better person. If your goal is material success, go to Tony Robbins, the Landmark Forum, even Scientology, where you might actually get something useful for your money.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Apr 30, 2014 7:58am
Mrpizza: I've never once said, you don't help the poor, I recall you saying you volunteer at the Sunday Breakfast Mission.

I just do not agree with the message of the so called "Prosperity Gospel", you do, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. I explained my views on this earlier in this thread. You don't agree with what I wrote, that's fine, it is what it is.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Apr 30, 2014 8:29am
EarlGrey: I checked out your church's web site, looks like a great church; that's a very active church.

I did some additional checking and found that Willowdale is affiliated with the Willow Creek Church [Rick Warren's church]. I used to be a member of a United Methodist Church, some time ago, that was affilitated with Willow Creek. Some great teachings with great people was my experience, so I'm sure it is similar at your church. I'll check out one of the sermons, again thanks for sharing.

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 9:38am
Mike: Thanks for the kind words about my church...yes it's very active in the community.
Our pastor went to Wheaton College in Chicago and then worked at Rick Warren's church for a few years before moving to preach/teach at Willowdale.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Apr 30, 2014 9:42am
EarlGrey: Again, thank you for the blessing. I just listened to an excellent message that actually ties into our discussion about WalMart. Mrpizza, you really should take the 40 minutes and listen to this. Here's a Christian answer to how a company should be run.

Bill, you'd probably find much you agree with is said in the pastor's message, in fact might really surprise you.

The sermon title: "What Only God Can Do: Change Our World.
To listen go the link below, scroll down until you find that title as listed below, click on either download or listen. Enjoy, be Blessed.

Thanks again EarlGrey.

What Only God Can Do: Change Our World
Greg Lafferty


Wed, Apr 30, 2014 5:47pm
MFD: Actually, there are some pastors who say things I agree with. Looking past the dogma and theology, some of them raise valid points, discuss important ethical principles, and give good advice. I don't say they are all greedy con artists.

I mostly don't enjoy listening to preaching or that style of presentation. When you have suggested some sermon, I usually look at the link to see if there is a summary or transcript I can read. It's a more efficient way to get information - unless I am driving, walking the dog, or at the gym. Just so you know I'm open-minded here, the gym to which I belong has four initials and one of them stands for "Christian."

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 8:16pm
Hey guys! One thing I totally forgot to mention in this discussion. Kenneth Copeland shops at Walmart. In fact, I heard him say in one of his meetings that he LOVES it!
Now there's a man I can relate to.

Sam Walton: As all-American as Jimmy Stewart!

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Apr 30, 2014 9:44pm
Billsmith: I have an advantage where I work alone in my lab, so I can listen to podcasts or CD's . I definitely understand, an audio or DVD takes a lot more time than reading a transcript.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, May 1, 2014 7:59am
Bill: The only place I've seen transcripts for the sermon message is at the Lutheran Hour. They offer podcasts and transcripts. You're right though, that would be a great idea. The problem for many preachers is they don't have their words written down ahead of time. I've noticed that any of the Lutheran pastors I've listened to in the Wilmington area [both ELCA and LCMS] do not use notes. Only one of those pastor's puts his sermons online, as a video.

Many of the Evangelical pastors do put their sermons on line, either as an audio only, or audio and video.

Thu, May 1, 2014 11:31am
MFD: Voice recognition software has gotten pretty good - and reasonably cheap. Transcribing sermons could be done that way. I was told in public speaking class to have an outline, so if preachers follow that advice, they could post their outlines, too. I listen to public radio podcasts in the car or at the Y. Those are only three or four minutes mostly, so they fit my short attention span.
I don't know if she qualifies as "prosperity gospel" or not but I have watched Joyce Meyer from time to time and she seems to offer some good, practical advice on things.

I heard the Rev. Al Sharpton preach an actual sermon in a church once, and despite all his other activities and statements, it was the best sermon - even the best speech - I ever heard.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, May 1, 2014 1:30pm
I've listened to a couple of Joyce Meyers sermons, been quite a while, she had some funny stories to tell and did offer some good practical advice. Been too long ago to remember or know if she's a name it claim it preacher. If Mrpizza likes her then that might be a real posibility.

I can imagine Rev. Sharpton being a very good sermonizer.

Thu, May 1, 2014 5:47pm
What's really sad is the complete lack of quality in political speech making. It seems the protestant pulpit is the only place good public speaking is ever practiced. Otherwise, it's become a lost art. Even Obama is barely adequate as a speaker.

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