POLITICO: Increasing numbers of evangelicals embracing gay marriage
These trends have been noted before: Even among evangelicals - especially younger evangelicals - an increasing acceptance of, even embrace, of same-sex marriage.
But unclear to me, whether this indicates increased acceptance of gay/lesbian marriage for civil, secular society, or whether these folks would actually welcome it within their churches. The second is obviously a much bigger leap.
What this POLITICO magazine piece doesn't directly mention, except for the reference to a Mississippi-based organization: The North/South divide. One assumes still far greater resistance from evangelicals in the American South, just like the Southern Episcopalians who have sought to come under the spiritual leadership of African Anglican bishops to escape mainstream trends in the U.S. Episcopal church or in the Church of England itself. And further, doubtless those Latin American evangelical converts in the United States are much more conservative on these matters.
I think the title of the article pretty much says it all...Evangelicals Are Changing Their Minds on Gay Marriage And the Bible isn’t getting in their way."
Homosexuals should be welcomed with open arms into the Church, but the endorsement of their lifestyle should not...just as the Church shouldn't endorse the lifestyles of hetero-couples who do not follow the teachings of the Bible...love the sinner/hate sin (and we all sin).
Tue, Jul 8, 2014 9:46am
Well, they changed their minds on slavery, and divorce, and the Bible didn't get in the way then either....
Maybe that's a good thing....
Tue, Jul 8, 2014 10:15am
Um, divorce is/was allowed by the Bible (maybe not by the Catholic church)...and I'm pretty sure slavery isn't exactly endorsed as a good thing in the Bible.
Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 8, 2014 10:18am
EarlGrey said: "Homosexuals should be welcomed with open arms into the Church, but the endorsement of their lifestyle should not...just as the Church shouldn't endorse the lifestyles of hetero-couples who do not follow the teachings of the Bible...love the sinner/hate sin (and we all sin)."
EarlGrey said it well and with far fewer words than I would have used.
Tue, Jul 8, 2014 7:20pm
This is just further confirmation that it's the apostate church who will usher in the Antichrist.
Tue, Jul 8, 2014 7:32pm
You can bet the bible will never get in ole Mr. Pizza's way.
Tue, Jul 8, 2014 7:40pm
Actually I said that incorrectly and in reverse. What I meant was that ole Mr. Pizza will never get into the bible's way or God's way.
Wed, Jul 9, 2014 4:46am
I think Pizza's Freudian slip was right the first time...
"Gee, Master, how does one get into heaven?"
"Love the Lord your God with all your might".. (Pizza qualifies here), "and love your neighbor as yourself.." (ummm. track record a little thin here....)...
Wed, Jul 9, 2014 5:52am
More words of wisdom from my favorite kook.
Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jul 9, 2014 7:52am
Sadly all of us fall short on that second part of loving our neighbors as our selves [the Law]; so we need the free gift of saving grace, love, and forgiveness that only can come from God's Son Jesus Christ [Gospel]
Thankfully our God is a God of second chances. So any one of us, even if we've not called him Lord and Savior, can today, come to his banquet table and join the feast he's prepared for ALL men/women, of all nations, and all colors. Come repent, and be baptized and sit down at the banquet table and enjoy God's feast.
Wed, Jul 9, 2014 10:01am
Mike, though we all fall short on loving our neighbor, doesn't it make sense though, that if we choose to take up the cross, and know our sins were already paid for, ... that we show some type of gratitude for it, and at least TRY, try to realize at least in God's eyes, that our neighbor who we hate, is just as worthy and equal of his mercy as is us, and to bury our differences and work off our similarities?
It seems being a hateful Conservative goes the exact opposite of what God requires... I am getting a glimpse of the anger Jesus expressed against those who were so ungrateful for his salvation..... Because even children, if they get something good from their mom, try to please them again...
Wed, Jul 9, 2014 10:28am
Well said post kavips!
Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jul 9, 2014 10:41am
Kavips said: "Mike, though we all fall short on loving our neighbor, doesn't it make sense though, that if we choose to take up the cross, and know our sins were already paid for, ... that we show some type of gratitude for it, and at least TRY, try to realize at least in God's eyes, that our neighbor who we hate, is just as worthy and equal of his mercy as is us, and to bury our differences and work off our similarities?"
I agree totally. Sadly it's not just hateful Conservatives, but also hateful Liberals too who are doing the exact opposite of what God requires.
Yesterday, I listened to an NPR program [On Point] that discussed the Hobby Lobby decision by the Supremes. The Liberal folks on the panel [they far outnumbered the one lone conservative] were foaming at the mouth at this decision that the court would back these people's religious rights against the rights of a woman to get an Abortion. What I found interesting is that apparently, one reason the Supremes decided in favor of Hobby Lobby is because there are other ways those women via Obamacare can get those Abortive things still for FREE without having Hobby Lobby providing them. So from where I sit, that's a win/win for both.
Yet, that wasn't good enough for those liberals [mostly women], they wanted Hobby Lobby to be forced to have to provide those three abortive things [even though Hobby Lobby provides 17 of the 20 birth control things available] and in spite of the HB employees having another FREE access to those three items.
So my point is, neither side lib or con is pure as we ALL are sinful fallen creatures who need the grace, love, and forgiveness that only can come from Jesus Christ. Sadly, part of the human condition seems to be that we aren't as gracious in forgiving others as Our Lord is with us. This is something all of us, me included, need to pray and seek his help in accomplishing.
Wed, Jul 9, 2014 6:43pm
I guess according to Kavips, I don't love my neighbor because I won't compromise the word of God and dance with the devil.
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