WDEL Blog: Allan Loudell

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So which stories / topics / issues have captured your attention?



The University of Delaware's termination of the controversial Data Centers project raises many questions:

Will the TDC slap U.D. with a lawsuit for breach of contract? Will the TDC pursue other possible locations in Delaware or give up on Delaware entirely? Given Rowan University's rejection of a similar project, why did it take U.D. so long to reach the same conclusion?



Dr. Richard Callery has been fired from his position as state Medical Examiner. Finally.



In their seeming quest to streamline the city's budget, Wilmington City Council members vote 8--5 to cut more than $511 K in funds designated for eight fire department positions currently vacant. The clock is ticking: Wait for the first fatal fire tragedy where firefighters insist the resulting sluggish response time might have contributed to that fatality. The counterargument: The fire department has ALREADY been functioning with the vacancies. But why does it seem the fire department has become the sacrificial lamb while council's budget itself has increased, while the city continues to sponsor outdoors recreational activities, and while the city-owned cable TV station remains?



Perennial upstate political candidate Richard Korn no longer has child pornography charges hanging over his head. From the start, some observers - not necessarily admirers of Korn - speculated that the man was set up. No matter some other less than stellar aspects to his personal life, or the brash persona and cologne that have turned off some people.



An independent forensics expert who once oversaw a testing lab of the federal Drug Enforcement Administration testifies before a superior court judge that ALL the drug evidence that went through the Delaware Medical Examiner's office since 2010 should be considered untrustworthy until proven otherwise.



President Obama remains under a storm of criticism for not visiting the U.S./Mexican frontier for a firsthand look at the young migrant crisis. The President insists he knows what's going on, and has no desire to participate in another photo-op. But hasn't he done many others?

Republicans, beginning with Texas Governor Rick Perry, see a parallel between President Obama's reluctance to visit the border, and President George W. Bush first observing Hurricane Katrina's devastation in New Orleans -- from far above.

Not only the predictable, anti-Obama conservatives are questioning Mr. Obama's judgment. Here's a headline to a column from PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS senior writer Will Bunch (Attytood): "When Glenn Beck knows the right thing to do and Obama doesn't... that's a problem"



Relations between the United States and Germany have sunk to their lowest point since the end of the Cold War (when the Germans moved their capital from Bonn back to Berlin), and perhaps since the end of World War II. The German government basically ordered the CIA's station chief to leave Germany, after German intelligence services uncovered two cases of apparent U.S. espionage within a week. The ouster of a CIA station chief from a "friendly country" is virtually unprecedented. The Berlin--Washington chill began with disclosures last year that the National Security Agency had been eavesdropping on German Chancellor Angela Merkel's phone.



At the time of writing this post, the Israeli--Hamas conflict was still escalating, and threatened a wider war.

I asked CBS News Middle-East reporter Edward Yeranian if he could recall a bleaker time in the Middle-East - with so many countries in flames. He could not.



My next story here will undoubtedly fuel the public distrust of seemingly contradictory health studies: Researchers from the University of Pennsylvania, University College--London, and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine found even moderate consumption of alcohol is bad for your health. Even consuming just a dozen units a week - less than a pint of beer or two small glasses of wine each day - produced negative effects. Imbibing less lessened the risk of heart disease and lowered blood pressure. Other studies have suggested light drinking might protect your heart, and the antioxidant found particularly in red wine had positive effects.



Here's something different for (potentially) later in the third week of July: A sort of summer version of the polar vortex could grip the nation's mid-section, then snake its way towards the East Coast. The hoodies may go back on in July, at least in the Great Lakes region, with daytime highs in the 50s and 60's - especially during periods of considerable cloud cover - and overnight lows in the 40s. Meteorologists are debating whether this will be a TRUE polar vortex. Purists say this event would not meet the technical criteria: Insufficient low pressure in this case, and the air not cold enough and not truly originating in the Arctic.










Posted at 8:23am on July 11, 2014 by Allan Loudell

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Comments on this post:

kavips
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 9:23am
Oh Allan.... cologne? Obviously you have met him.

kavips
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 9:32am
Our intelligence services are out-of-control... They are running the government, not the government running them...

Though the argument can be made that it is done to keep us safer, that is the same argument which is used for keeping loaded guns around the house, just in case an intruder shows... The problem is that they get used on someone in the house long before an intruder even thinks of showing up....

The U.S. / Germany is like a domestic murder. What were they thinking? And the spying was for, the Germans released, to see how much they knew that we were spying on them? Well, I guess we all know now.

To which I would have to conclude, since with our close ties, there never was any security threat by today's Germany towards the U.S., such in-depth spying has to be solely for the benefit of corporate espionage...

That's the only thing that makes sense here.

kavips
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 9:42am
One of the prime factors in nixing the border visit was security. Although not as blatantly open on our side, the cartels work both sides of the river. With the announcements ahead of time, it was impossible to guarantee the President's safety... and the Secret Service was insistent on not doing it...

Don't be surprised if out of the blue, a visit is announced after the fact, similar to how we get news of visits from Bagram.

kavips
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 9:46am
Allan, and all... I'm sure by now we all have a healthy cynicism and assume the findings of research bolster the views of whomever paid for the research to be done...

Is alcohol bad? Yes, at times. Is alcohol good? Yes, at times. So pick what you want to do, and do it?

I'm waiting for the report: Are people who drink happier?
At times, yes. The morning after... no...

EarlGrey
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 10:12am
I'm sure security was taken into consideration in deciding whether or not to visit the Texas/Mexico border... but think the real reason for not going to the border is fear of pictures of the president tying him directly to the chaos at the border. They were scared of looking like Bush as he flew over Katrina's damage in NOLA...so instead, the president has ignored Governor Perry and attempted to distance himself from any responsibility on this issue.

If he does visit the border hopefully he won't out any C.I.A. people as happened on his "surprise" visit to Bagram.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/06/11/obama-safeguards-cia/10352069/

kavips
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 5:11pm
I'm sorry Earl. What you said above is untrue. Obama met with Perry and both shook hands... The controversy was whether Perry would meet Obama, and not the other way around...


Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 5:17pm
The actual controversy is why won't Obama go see the border.

EarlGrey
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 5:20pm
Mike's right on this one.

EarlGrey
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 5:26pm
...and to clarify my earlier post about 0bama ignoring Gov Perry...I was saying he ignored Perry's request for national guard on the Texas border and he turned down Perry's repeated offers to actually see the Texas/Mexico border with his own eyes. 0bama refused both requests.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 5:38pm
I saw yesterday the CNN interview with Gov. Perry. He did a great job & didn't allow the slightly biased reporter to put words in his mouth. He sounded Presidential .

Allan Loudell
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 6:37pm
Actually, we had two controversies: Whether Governor Perry would meet with President Obama (at first, the governor would not, unless the President pledged to have a substantive meeting); and (the bigger controversy), whether indeed, President Obama would go to the border.

From what I've heard, the White House has not ruled out Perry's National Guard request..

Have a good weekend. I'll be back in a few days...

kavips
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 6:50pm
It is pretty sad when we elect people because they look presidential and not for what they say they will do...

Governor Perry has bankrupted Texas... We don't want him doing the same to the US... His citizens owe more state debt per person then do Delawareans.... but if you don't care how people steal your money, as long as they "sound" presidential for 3 minutes in front of camera... then so be it... We get the president we deserve, I guess. The fault is ours.

Mike, you of all people who spent your life behind a microphone, should know full well how easy it is to manipulate the projection you are trying to maintain; it is called ... acting ... :)

Remember this guy you say is presidential.. is the exact same one 2 years ago who said... "oops".... I can't remember the third branch of government."

And just in case someone is going to post how bad this crises is and how Obama actually had something to do with it...



Here is a historical view of our Central American border crossings... As you can see, both Central American grownups and children have increased beginning long before before Obama supposedly made the remark regarding Dream Act children on June 16, 2012... Furthermore if you dig into this link....

http://www.unhcrwashington.org/sites/default/files/1_UAC_UNHCR%20Statement%20for%20the%20Record_HJC%20Hearing%20on%20UACs.pdf

...you will see the the increase of these same people to other Latin Nations, is greater (712%) than that into the United States (629%)... People are jumping ship out of these nations to where ever they have a chance of going. The source of the problem causing the influx, is in those three Latin Nations, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador and not in anything the US did or said.... Timing, post recession and economy mirror the same years the US was struggling to regain it economic footing as well...

As for Obama not showing up at the border, aside from the security matters, keep in mind that it is more important that the $3.7 billion to handle this problem gets passed right away by Republicans in Congress... Having pictures of Obama seemingly on top of this crises, visiting the camps and border patrols, would increase the president's popularity and competence levels, and would make it even less likely that the radically insane House, would pass his request...

Due to the nature of these odd-ball Republicans, who always do the opposite of whatever it is the president asks, even if they had wanted it the very second before, it makes sense that if he wants something done, his chances improve if he stays out of the limelight so no anti-Obama feelings cloud this humanitarian cause...

Remember! These guys shut down the government for nothing, .... If you want to know what's wrong with America, it is that the Republicans have held our government hostage far too long, preventing it from doing its job because Republicans won't do their job... America is sick of them.

They caused this border crises with their stalling on immigration reform... This requested money could have already been there, the new hires could have been already trained and ready, had that bipartisan compromised Senate Bill just been allowed on the floor for a vote, and been voted on and passed by Democrats and the moderate Republicans.....

The solution to this crises was bottled up by Republicans because passing it was damaging to their political party. The Conservatives caused this crises... Just like they caused the sequester. Just like they caused the debt ceiling crises, just like they shut down the Federal Government......

This is one of the best presidents we will ever see in our lifetime.... You may not like him because he is black; that is about you. He has done a truly amazing job, and the press has taken far too long to mention it.... Which is why no one listens to America's press these days...

(Anyone else notice how national correspondents on Allan's broadcast sound introspective and balance, but not so in their national writings or newscasts?.. Interesting.)

I was getting my hair done and the hair dresser started off blasting Fox News, then Rush Limbaugh, and then the whole American media... "Can't believe a thing they say"... If that is what he common hairdresser feels about the American media, then "Ladies and Gentlemen, we live in a propagandist Soviet Russia"... Making it so, was done...ironically, all through private ownership... :)

Perhaps we are ready for a change in direction.... Private ownership is failing our nation.

mrpizza
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 8:46pm
Yep. The rich keep getting richer, the poor keep getting poorer, and the kooks keep getting kookier.

EarlGrey
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 11:05pm
"It is pretty sad when we elect people because they look presidential and not for what they say they will do..."

What's sad is when we elect people for what they say they will do...and they don't fulfill any of those promises (ie lies)...If our current president even resembled 2007/08 0bama he could have been an amazing leader/healer for our nation...but 2014 0bama is nothing like Senator 0bama.

Texas is one of few states drawing thousands of job seekers from around the country and one of only a handful of states that refused Common Core from the start...Perry (as with all politicians/people) isn't perfect but he's definitely a proven leader of a small nation (Texas) and better than any other candidate currently expressing interest in running in 2016.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jul 11, 2014 11:20pm
EarlGrey: well said.

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 4:47am
Unfortunately, presidents are elected on personality so I hope Rick Perry gets a good campaign manager who knows how to market a candidate and package him into something with both personal appeal and a clear agenda for getting it done.

I'm surprised liberals didn't just file lawsuits to force Common Core on all the dissenting states just like they're doing with homosexual marriage, but then I've heard that even liberals sometimes have their limits.

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 11:40am
If you're looking for a comprehensive review of the last 6 years, here's a video that says it all:

http://www.dickmorris.com/obama-used-economic-crisis-promote-socialism-america-dick-morris-tv-history-video/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

kavips
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 6:49pm
Here is a definition of kook...

http://www.dickmorris.com/obama-used-economic-crisis-promote-socialism-america-dick-morris-tv-history-video/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

Since this was posted by Pizza I'm surprise I agree with him: kooks like Morris are getting kookier...

Earl... I don't see where you (and Mike who agrees), can say the Obama running in 2008 is different from the Obama today.. Need both your insights here....

He ran on changing health insurance: he changed health insurance. He ran on ending the Iraq war; he ended the Iraq war. He ran on ending the Afghanistan war, this year we will end the Afghanistan War. He promised to overhaul Immigration Reform... He did, it is stuck in the house where it will pass if ever put on the floor. He said he'd repeal: "Don't ask, don't tell"; he repealed it. He said he'd let the Bush Tax Cuts expired... They expired on January 1st, 2013.

So In my humble opinion, and that I'm sure of everyone reading this who is not trying tooth and nail to undermine the United States of America, would have to think both of you are off your rockers?

Please explain to all of us, how someone who promised us something and delivered it, and it was supported by THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE... even if the kooks don't like it, is not doing what he once promised he would do?

kavips
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 7:06pm
Pizza, you got it wrong. Progressives are against Common Core. And Conservatives are against Common Core, both for the same reasons. It takes teaching out of competent people and local control. The few People in favor of Common Core, are those who stand to get rich from it... those in power, whether Democratic or Republican, and those with money to invest. And, not to be remiss, a definite hat's off to Perry for not doing Common Core...

At issue with the National Guard on the border, is that there is little they could do. In case no one has been paying attention to the crises, the problem is not people sneaking across the border to keep from getting caught. It is people sneaking across the border IN ORDER TO get caught.

The Border Patrol is doing fine the way is is... Catching every single person making an attempt... I supposed the National Guard could put up barbed wire and help run the refugee camps, because that in essence is what they have become... But then, so could private security corporations as well...(and you know how Republicans don't like any government, oh wait, are they now saying they were wrong all these years?) So it seems like Obama is better versed on the actual details of the problem than are Republicans ... Gee, no surprise there.

kavips
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 7:09pm
Here is another topic... minimum wage... I think all of you might be interested in checking out your area where you grew up.. (except for Pizza)....



Wow, check out Nebraska... Delaware scores well btw...

kavips
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 7:19pm
And I just saw this Pulitzer Prize winner....

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/10/report-6-6-trillion-lost-on-bush-tax-cuts-could-pay-all-student-loans-car-loans-credit-cards/

The Republican Party, actually robbed each American taxpayer of $48,000 in pre-tax personal income during the twelve years of their existence, for a total of approximately 6.6 trillion dollars.

How many of you would like to have an extra $48,000 dollars in your account right now? What? Don't? Blame the Republicans....

In 10 of the 12 years when the Bush tax cuts were in effect, the average income shown on tax returns was lower than in 2000. In the two upside years, average income rose modestly, up $504 for 2006 and $1,744 for 2007.
Total those 12 years and the net shortfall per taxpayer comes to $48,010.

Tax cuts are bad... Any party still supporting them needs to be voted out...

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 7:31pm
I see in the headlines where Obama is coming to Wilmington next week.

Wow! I haven't been this excited since Neil Diamond first played the Greek Theater back in '72!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3sEauiatoM

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 8:41pm
Come to think of it Kavips, I must agree with you about Obama in 2008 vs. Obama today. He's still the same lying snake oil salesman today that he was then.

What's different is that Rush Limbaugh and Mr. Pizza have been vindicated.

kavips
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 9:00pm
You both have been vindicated... You were both wrong then, and you are still both wrong now... How much more consistent could anyone ever be?

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/diaz/article/What-s-wrong-with-Rush-Limbaugh-Plenty-3407191.php

kavips
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 9:08pm
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/08/35-hateful-and-stupid-rush-limbaugh-quotes/

EarlGrey
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 10:50pm
kavips: Look back to the promises made by candidate 0bama to the actual policies of pRESIDENT Obama and you'll see what I mean....all the things he demonized Bush for doing he has only increased (NSA spying, secretive administration, WallStreet-owned)...

As The Who said..."new boss, same as the old boss".....hopefully in 2016 "we won't be fooled again"

As to the border crisis...Yes, the National Guard could stop those attempting to sneak over the border and surrender...seems like a much better idea than busing illegals all around our country (which is exactly what's currently happening).

Perry is sounding/looking/acting like a real leader...something our country has not seen for the past six years.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rick-perry-isolationist-policies-make-the-threat-of-terrorism-even-greater/2014/07/11/6dbfba4a-06f0-11e4-bbf1-cc51275e7f8f_story.html

EarlGrey
Sat, Jul 12, 2014 10:58pm
Some Progressives may be against Common Core but it was Republican & Democrat Progressives (along with Bill/Melinda Gates) who pushed Common Core into our schools.

For more Common Core info check out: http://www.commoncoremovie.com

mrpizza
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 5:25am
Kavips: Once a kook - always a kook.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 7:18am
Kavips: EarlGrey said it well in those two posts above,other than one thing. We haven't had a real
leader since Clinton's first term (he was preoccupied during the second term)heh heh.

mrpizza
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 8:41am
And to add to that, how could Dick Morris possibly be a kook in the first place? Since Kavips is obviously a fan of the Clintons, then he should be an even bigger fan of Dick's. After all, it was the brilliance and absolute genius of Dick Morris that got Bill elected twice. And now Kavips is going to throw the one man he owes everything to under to bus?

Long live Lee Atwater.

EarlGrey
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 4:56pm
Looks like both the Left and Right agree with Perry's handling of the border crisis.

"[Immigration] reform is dead and Mr. Perry, if he is a wise man, and I think he’s pretty smart, can ride this issue into the primaries because it is a blazing issue,” Buchanan said. “It has gone national now. It has been on television. Take a look at Drudge – he must have 30 stories about it up on his website. It has gone on for weeks now and Obama has gone on the defensive.”
Shortly after in that same segment, Buchanan’s fellow panelists Eleanor Clift of the Daily Beast, Guy Taylor of the Washington Times and Mort Zuckerman of U.S. News and World Report concurred by noting the rise of Perry amid the turmoil, especially with the criticisms President Barack Obama has faced for his handling of the border situation.
“This is affecting Rick Perry more than it is Barack Obama -- positively,” Taylor said.

“Head-to-head with the president of the United States is where you want to be as a Republican,” Buchanan said. “I think Rick Perry is holding his own. He’s winning.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/07/13/McLaughlin-Group-Rick-Perrys-Handling-of-Border-Crisis-Bolsters-2016-Bid-Chances


mrpizza
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 5:07pm
Certainly positive news, Earl, but remember, it's still a long way to November.

EarlGrey
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 9:18pm
mrpizza: Yes, it's quite a while till November '16, but the Republicans need to decide quickly who their main hope is and rally behind/support that person (someone who could be liked by establishment GOP/Tea Party/Libertarians/Reagan Democrats). IF the Republicans choose a good candidate this time around they could easily defeat Hillary, Elizabeth Warren or any other Progressive candidate.

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 9:55pm

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Jul 13, 2014 9:58pm
I agree with EarlGrey the GOP/TEA party need to back a proven leader, who will have broad appeal, Rick Perry might be just the right person.

kavips
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 3:22am
Earl... if you count NSA spying, Wall Street control, and add the destruction of net neutrality, then I will certainly agree. I'd also add Common Core to that pile of trash....

But that all said, what Obama has accomplished has been greater than any president in our lifetimes... And you cannot find any better leader... Look how much he's got done and had to do it dragging the Republicans digging in their feet? Just look at how he as singlehandedly completely demolished the Republican Party... THAT IS TRULY HIS GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT. We are lucky we are the United States of America... If they had tried doing what they are doing now at any other time across history, they'd have been killed by now. Slaughtered like cattle. Ramases didn't put up with crap like them. The Hittites didn't put up with crap like them. The Babylonians didn't put up with crap like them. The Spartans didn't put up with crap like them. The Romans didn't put up with crap like them. The Jesuits didn't put up with crap like them. The Protestants didn't put up with crap like them. The English kings didn't put up with crap like them. Robespierre didn't put up with crap like them. The Bolsheviks didn't put up with crap like them. The Nazi's didn't put up with crap like that. The US with the Japanese on the West Coast, didn't take a chance on crap like that... Even in this country, if someone was spying on the colonials for the British, Washington had them killed. If someone was giving intelligence to the Indians, they were killed. If someone was giving aid and comfort to either the South or North during the civil war, and were caught by the other side, they were killed.

Only in America, can one be treasonous to ones nation, and get on Fox News... Remember, how they shut down the government so that veterans couldn't even get into the war memorial? Remember how they shut down government so their constituents couldn't even get a White House tour? Remember how they shut down government, costing over a $20 billion hit(loss)to the economy in 15 days? How many innnocent people were hurt? How many hard working people couldn't pay their bills? How many normal every day Americans are poorer because these traitors didn't care how Americans got hurt, they shut down the government just so they'd look tough? Well, Americans remember who the traitors are... They remember that they should have and would have much, much more money in their pocket now, except that these traitors took it from them. Americans will remember how the Republican Party spit on Ronald Reagan's grave and rubbed everyday America's face into it....

Obama is Mother Theresa compared to Republican traitors...

As for Perry, he only sounds like a leader if you are in the minority and see him as the great white hope for your dying cause... But so was Michelle Bachmann two years ago, then it was Rick Santorium, then Newt Gingrich, then Herman Cain, then Rick Perry, then Rick Santorium again, and finally you settled on Mitt Romney who turns out, only represents the 47%... which in his words, are only "those who don't matter...."

No one is going to vote for Rick Perry who uses the "n" word on his vacation home.... (unless of course, they use the "n" word to describe their vacation homes...

And Mike is nuts thinking they need a proven leader... No one can win a national election as a Republican... It's over for their party. You will need to be pro-abortion, pro amnesty, pro unlimited immigration, pro higher taxes, pro secular, and pro free contraception to have a remote chance at winning again... People hate Republicans because of their ideas; not for some stupid person they choose to put up as their candidate?

It's the Republican policies that are stupid, stupid.... (to paraphrase Bill Clinton's line, lol. )

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 8:33am
Kavips: Pro unlimited immigration? Allow as many folks to enter as wants to??? That is a foolish and reckless plan.

The flood of illegal immigrants, now children, is putting Rick Perry on center stage nationally as he's the only one challenging the lazy Obama who doesn't care a bit about stopping the flow of illegals into our nation. I've seen interviews with LEGAL Hispanics who don't like the illegals coming in either, so its not just a white thing.

I agree that the GOP needs to change some of their policies, sadly allowing Abortion would be one of those as women are a strong voting block and won't vote for the
GOP/TEA candidate if their platform wants to stop Abortions.

The Christians, who are Republican, need to tell their party to stop using them as a platform. I've rallied against the politicalzation of the church since the days of Ralph Reed/Pat Buchannan/Jerry Falwell starting the "Moral Majority" back in the 1970's. The Church's job is to make disciples of all nations, one heart at a time, NOT through politics. You can't legislate your beliefs on a "heathen" world, because they don't believe those things like abortion, gay/lesbian marriage, etc, etc, are wrong, so The Church needs to pull out of politics and go back to what Christ called them to do. The Church needs to face the facts that the US today is a 21st century version of Ancient Rome. How did Jesus deal with Rome, simply to give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give to God what is God's. We in the church would be wise to follow what Jesus did. That doesn't mean Christians as citizens can't be involved in politics, but they should NEVER make an issue a "Christian" issue, our government is Secular, for a good reason and so it should remain Secular.

The GOP/TEA needs to eliminate Obamacare and simply provide national healthcare for all via Medicaid for those who are poor and cannot afford any coverage, and Medicare for everyone else. Both of those systems are up and running with no problems, so a third system Obamacare is not needed. That way everyone does get some sort of healthcare provided via the government without some new gigantic costly program.

As far as taxes go, here's a plan that might work, eliminate the income tax and simply have a Federal Sales Tax on everything other than medical/drugs/medications, doctor/hosptial visits, nutrious food [so potato chips, Twinkies, and junk food, etc, would be taxed, but dairy, fruit, veggies, bread/rice/pastas, etc, and proteins including meat would not. Pensions, Social Security checks, pay checks, etc, obviously would no longer be taxed. This way everyone pays something so into supporting our nation [including illegals] making everyone a contributor. One big plus is this would put millions of IRS folks out of work.

You get the idea. So yes there are some things the GOP/TEA party could do to make themselves more marketable and I've just named a few.


kavips
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 9:01am
Whoa... Mike... get a grasp on facts, man...

Someone has put a ring in you nose and is pulling you around like an Chinese ox if you think what you wrote here......

"the lazy Obama who doesn't care a bit about stopping the flow of illegals into our nation."

Do you even know how to use the internet?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/02/22/us/politics/growth-in-deportations.html?_r=0

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/06/immigration-border-patrol-numbers/66450/

– April 23, 2012: The Pew Hispanic Center announced that net migration from Mexico to the United States had stopped and possibly even reversed.

Calls for increased border patrols, then, are either based on a lack of familiarity with effectiveness — or maybe something else.

So apparently all your Obama hatred is based on lies you were told???? What kind of American would base his opinion on known lies?

That just does not make sense.... Wonder what God would say about that...


EarlGrey
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 9:21am
kavips: The increased border patrols are not there to stop people from crossing the border...they don't need more bureaucrats shuffling people all over this country they need people guarding our border. It doesn't matter how many agents are sent to the border if they are not there to protect the border. Didn't the president take an oath to protect this country?

How would you feel if 10,000 Tea Party Republicans showed up at your house, simply walked in and declared it their house? Who would you call? The cops, a Republican lawyer, a government-employed counselor...a community organizer?

btw, according to the internet...99% of the current illegals are NOT being deported (partly thanks to a law implemented by Bush)...most are not from Mexico.

kavips
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 9:32am
That said, (after I read past your first line) God would agree with you in telling Republicans to stop using Christians as a foil... In fact, not only are Republican tactics driving the youth away from the Republican Party and Conservative values and politics in general, they are responsible for driving youth away from God himself....

This is a gigantic undercurrent and is sweeping our nation unseen directly under our eyes. In a reunion of a youth gospel group, the topic came up that none of them were Christians anymore. My reaction was: WHAT? The reason was that in their world, religion is what is shown on Fox News... If you say you are a Christian, you may lose your job,(you certainly get kicked out of being promotable), your friends, your social networks; you get shunned and attacked as "one of those people who: hate gays, hate blacks, hate Democrats, hate Muslims, hate liberals, hate women, hate Hispanics, hate taxes, hate charity, hate love, hate Chinese, hate people who won't wear flags on their lapels, hate the French, hate rules and regulations, hate Soccer, hate anyone not filthy rich, hate sex, and yeah, did I say hate love between two people of the same gender?

Seriously, I was shocked, and just listened, not opening my mouth, afraid I'd just add gasoline to the fire... These weren't ungrateful youth speaking. These were people 6 years ago who'd I'd looked at and said the future was going to be alright with fine people like these coming along....

But it is the constant drumbeat of Fox News hate that is pounding, pounding, pounding always. On their Twitter, on their Facebook accounts, in their Pinintersts, unsolicited in their emails, by their youth leaders, by their pastors, by pastors on TV, all who say that Christians are duplicitous, simply saying anything to get your money... but doing another once they get it...

Revelations about Pat Robertson of the 700 club certainly didn't help; who was begging for donations to feed African children who were starving, and was then investing it into a diamond mine he owned in the Congo, which btw, had atrocious working conditions....

Ok, .... at this point I tried to interject that this was not the Christianity of the Bible, and threw out some New Testament scriptures.... saying these guys were kooks, getting kookier as their numbers eradicated. I got totally shot down.

Ok, they all said: watch TV for one day and show us a real example of Christianity, somewhere, anywhere on there... I realized they were right, and replied back: .. it's not on TV, real Chrisianity is all around you....

Together they all shouted... Exactly! No one knows it so if you admit you are a Christian, you get pegged as a Hobby Lobby supporter. or as one of the most pathetic excuses for human beings currently around.. you can't say your are Christian because of how people who pretend are Christian, dominate the public media today...

And they are right... I realized I certainly wouldn't be a Christian today if I didn't know and thought that Pizza represented Christianity... keep in mind, these young people think like Obama, he represents their values, so any type of hatred spewed anywhere in the name of being a Christian, drives them away from God...

It is not the just the church who is losing their allegiance... it is God himself... All this hatred from the Right, is driving this nation away from God.....

Republicans and Fox News are making this a Godless nations.. And... those of us who've studied the Bible... know precisely what happens to Godless nations...


kavips
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 9:50am
Earl.. I cannot find a source for your figure 99% figure... Please post. I posted a graph showing considerable more people were being sent back than coming in...

Looking over your words as would a lawyer, are you implying that those who have been here infiltrated and econically successful for longterm are included in that total?

That then is an outrageous total.. No one would uproot 10% of America's businesses (assuming they represent 10% of the workforce) and foreclose on their houses, and material possessions because we are deporting them after their kids have all grown up.. If that was what you meant, all illegals who ever crossed the border in the history of our country, then ok, 99% won't get sent back.. And rightfully shouldn't. That is like how Israel deals with Palestinians. Certainly way beneath American values...

But, if you are saying that 99% of those crossing today are not sent back, the charts show that assumption to be flat out wrong...

And 10,000 Tea Parters showing up in my house? That is an unfair comparison. Bad enough when just my mother in law comes to visit... But 10,000 people showing up however in Sussex county, working to pick the crops no one else will, staying and paying for their hotel rooms, buying food in their local stores, turning Sussex County on to "real" Mexican food, doing good work for good wages... and helping the farmers hiring them, helping the landlords renting out to them, helping the grocers stocking the shelves for them, helping the beach vendors catering to them, well, then those 10,000 Tea Partiers aren't so bad after all... "Bout time they earned their wages..."

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 10:28am
Kavips: What is it with you, that the minute someone dares to disagree with your beloved Barack, you accuse them of hatred or being a racist? I've defended Obama here and elsewhere and have taken much verbal abuse for having done so from ultra rightwing nut jobs, but unlike you I'm not in awe of this President. So because I may not agree with everything he's done doesn't make me a hater of Obama. Take your race colored glasses off for once and realize that not ALL white people are your enemy. THAT kind of crap is what will make me far more reluctant to ever vote for a Black candidate again, because any and all criticism of this President gets labeled as racial. It's time for the Black community to grow up and realize that this isn't 1950 or even 1965, much has changed and its time that the Black community start acknowledging that so that ALL of US together [white, black, and brown] can somehow end this nonsense and start to work together. Al Sharpton is just as much of a racist as David Duke. If that opinion makes me a racist in your mind, then so be it. What I said is the truth whether you like it or not. If that opinion offends you, too bad so sad. Don't read my posts anymore then. I'm damn tired of you implying that I'm a racist or I hate Obama.

I'm not going to say something I don't believe, because he's black anymore than I did with the White Presidents. He deserves to be treated the same, not handled with Kid Gloves, because he's black. If I were Black I'd be offended that folks wouldn't discuss him as they'd discuss the White guys. After all Obama is supposed to be President of ALL Americans, not just Blacks. I voted for him in 2008 and yes he's gotten some things done, that are historic, but at the same time I don't agree with him NOT closing the borders, thus my comment about being lazy. Hey, I didn't call him the dumber brother as I've called Bush Jr or the Executive of Sleaze as I've called Clinton. Granted Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., and Reagan also didn't close the borders and they were just as wrong and I've criticized them for that too.

So I guess you and I will just have to part company here, because I just don't have the energy to debate with you knowing that at some point the race card will get pulled and shoved in my face. So you and Mrpizza and EarlGrey can battle this stuff I'm done. Be at Peace.

EarlGrey
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 10:30am
Sources for my claims:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/07/Leaked-Internal-DHS-Report-Admits-Lack-of-Deportation-Significant-Factor-in-Border-Crisis
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/382114/hhs-will-muzzle-media-during-tour-immigrant-child-housing-joel-gehrke?

The report, identified as “De-Classified” and “Law Enforcement Sensitive,” reveals the fact that only 0.1 percent of the Central American minors illegally entering the U.S. having been deported in Fiscal Year 2013, down from two percent prior, plays a significant role in why the current border crisis is occurring. The DHS-ICE agency report admits the fact that 98 percent are allowed to stay is a significant draw for the minors to come into the United States. The agency acknowledges that conditions in Central America play a role in why the wave is occurring, but directly contradicts the assertion that such conditions are the only significant reason the crisis exists. The report directly contradicts any assertion U.S. government refusals to deport illegal immigrants is not a significant factor in why the crisis is occurring.

The report further reveals that Central American nations are doing little to curb the flow of illegal immigration to the U.S. and attributes the lack of efforts in the host nations to stop the flow to the nations wanting their nationals to send money back home from the United States. The report also indicates that family members from the host nations already residing in the U.S. is a major draw for the current crisis. This indicates that illegal aliens already within the U.S. are possibly drawing more to illegally migrate north.


"Evil" G00gle found these sources for me no problem...

kavips
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 1:40pm
Thanks Earl... Evil G00gle seems to keep me off them.. So much for net neutrality... (It's the algorithms, stupid..) For others not in the know, when we each search the same topic in G00gle, we each get individual customized responses... That is why I ask for links... It might be on page one for you and page 40 for me...

I'll look over your link and get back... On the surface it does match what you said... and that provides a new wrinkle in the argument...


And Mike... sorry if you got swept up in the net. Those of us who read this daily know very well you are not a racist, nor a hateful person.. It surprises me you would think my statements referenced you directly... They are not about you, even though your writing may have set them off.....

It is the misuse of facts, and your statements of non truths as facts that I responded to... If anyone says something that has been proven untrue, those facts should be debunked; it is our duty.... or if true, supported with arguments bolstering them, so onlookers seeing both sides, get a clearer picture of how things really are.

Here was your statement... "the lazy Obama who doesn't care a bit about stopping the flow of illegals into our nation."

Perhaps you don't make the association, but it directly corresponds to Southern Lingo "lazy" during the height of segregation policies heavily enforced after WWII.

Have you ever picked cotton for 10 hours straight? The one thing those guys are not, is lazy. Neither is this president who has done more to stop illegal immigration than any other president in your lifetime...

What I did and do attack, is sloppy false statements which sadly if left uncorrected may become someone's version of truth... If a person knows the truth and choses to believe the lie, that is a blemish upon their character. If a person has no choice but believe the lie, because the truth was deliberately withheld from him and the lie was told him and sworn to be the truth, then that person withholding the truth from the other, is the one responsible for the damage his lies caused that person to do...

Do you know what "prejudiced" is? Prejudiced is when you have a prejudged notion in your head which you accept on faith to be tried and true and measure all evidence on how it stacks up to that prejudged notion...

for example, because of race issues here in America, it is primarily associated in that context... But in fact, it is a word that can be used in economics, philosophy, religion, boyfriend-girlfriend, or science....

So if one has the pre-conviction of a deep set belief, that Obama is bad for America, then they look at everything bad and seek a way to link him to it, and dismiss any good he is causing simply because they never looked at that side...

Forcing someone to see the other side is how one combats that insular tendency. And in business, personal lives, as well as government, insular tendencies are destructive.

As a historical perspective on how that can affect great nations, during the 30's we had Republicans who believed that US should be isolationists, that getting bogged down in war in Europe was not our responsibility. They were powerful enough, that the the US had great difficulty getting Lend Lease passed to help the Brits, who without supplies would have to cave in a couple of weeks. The isolationists said... "that's their problem." Japan solved it for us. There was no way isolationists could fit Pearl Harbor into their world view. Things like that weren't supposed to happen.

I laugh when you all kid me about my support for Obama, because there as some passionate disagreements I have with him, which wouldn't have occurred if my first choice has been lucky to make it in... But when you state postulates bordering on the absurd equal to the saying an absurdity like the earth is center of the universe, or the earth is flat, or the earth was created out of nothing in 7 days, or we were created out of dust in one day and poof, we were nothing but now we are here... they have to be answered... by facts.

Because they are all based on a prejudiced thought process... As in this is the result I must have, so then, these statements leading me to that conclusion, must be true. For example. the myth of "if the top one percent get wealthy, we all eat well from the crumbs", is true, the economic data saying otherwise must therefore be faulty and dismissed... It must be dismissed because "of course we all get more money when the rich take what we have"... The opposite approach then is to say.. "show us your evidence, and I'll reserve judgment until after I've seen from both sides"... That would be the non-prejudicial approach... often called the scientific or evidence based approached....Simply accepting that anything can be possible and then look to see what all we know supports.

For those who listen on this very station to the talk segments of Rick Jensen and Al Mascitti know exactly that Rick always uses the prejudiced approach and the format of his talk is structured so all the evidence must fit in and support the postulate he states at its beginning. Al uses the evidence approach, where all the evidence is first brought in, dumped, looked at,explored, and turned over, and only then a conclusion is made from what we all have seen (or heard; it is after all, radio)....

So yes.. those who say whites are the racists, and accept any contrary evidence otherwise... are as prejudiced as those Southern Segregationists. They take that idea that all whites are racist, and then find details to support it...

I use a different approach... when I confront people using untruths without any backing, I show them the information directly opposite to their pre-held belief... just as Earl learned to do with his link given above....

It is occasionally possible that some may take it the wrong way.. That is too bad for them I guess, and I would have to question their ulterior motives for doing so... For truth is, when the facts begin to side with the Republicans, as they have and I did in the past,I will bend to being more Republican.. But right now, all facts seem to be benefiting the left... and until that changes, that is where my beliefs should be...

And all of yours as well.




Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 4:01pm
Kavips: Thanks for the apology, I appreciate that. Lazy may not have been the best word to use [given what you said about the Southern use of the word towards Blacks]. It never occurred to me about the word "lazy" as it used to be applied to Blacks back in the day. For that I apologize as that was not my intention. I didn't mean to open an old wound which that word might have done.

My point was that all those Presidents, including Obama, on this issue, have been "lazy" in that they won't do the most obvious thing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into our nation which would be................drum roll, close the border. But rather than do that they all, including Obama, wring their hands and just talk and talk.

Back when Reagan was President there was approximately 2 million illegals in the US. Today, depending on who's numbers you use, I've heard as high as 20 million. THAT's an invasion, and it angers me that none of these Presidents will use their authority to simply close the border and require ALL immigrants to use legal channels. I'm not saying be anti immigrant, but Legal Immigrant. We need folks from all nations and colors with their various skills [education, trades], cultures, music, art, foods, etc, and apparently even peach pickers.

Obama is getting heat for using his Executive Orders to bypass the stalled Congress. Well the President would sure impress the heck out of me if he used his Executive Order power and closed the border and started enforcing the immigration laws fully that are already on the books. This would be a great thing and make John Boehner look stupid given he's now suing Obama for using his EO's in a way Boehner doesn't like [Obamacare revisions].

Sadly I believe the "greatest President in your lifetime" is playing politics [that's not to imply that the Republicans in Congress aren't]. He wants Hispanic votes for the DEMS, so even though he's deporting more folks than Bush Jr [which is a very good thing and I give him points for that], the real solution he could easily do, he ignores, thus my issue with him on this.

I look forward to hearing the Obama press conference where he announces his latest EO that will close the border and that all existing immigration laws will be followed starting forthwith. That would be a gutsy move and I believe even Mrpizza would be impressed.

kavips
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 4:53pm
Mike that would be a good stand, I certainly would support that. However there are some issues that people not deeply involved may not know.

One, is expense. It will require the $3.7 billion from Congress first, to pay for the National Guard, and which is mostly to be used for detaining and shipping back those in custody.

Two, is that we have very little immigration crossing now. The walking across the border days are gone, and illegal entry if it happens, it comes hidden inside tractor trailers, and secret compartments right through our border crossings.

Third, U.S. goods and private services trade with Mexico totaled an estimated $536 billion in 2012 (latest data available). Exports totaled $243 billion; Imports totaled $293 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Mexico was $49 billion in 2012... That is a lot of trucks to look at.. requiring by my quick calculations, requiring the inspection of 8027 trucks a day, or 5 trucks per minute.... across the entire border. It is doable but you can see why we first need money and to hire people to do it.. If you pull existing border watchers off their sites, you open the border back up.. The border fence is estimated to cost $49 billion, which considering no one is crossing on foot anymore, is considered a boondoggle loss of money... One still will need to patrol the fence's perimeter so there is no offsetting decrease in hired border guards. Plus drones are now far more cost effective measures for the same result...

4. Plus this waste of money will be magnified if the immigration bill goes through. The real reason illegals are coming here is because there is a large illegal population they can hide in and find work and have a good life... If you legitimize those currently here, then you could process those coming in legally the exact same way your ancestors were processed legally and perhaps send back those few who couldn't comply. Means they wouldn't be coming illegally.. We could solve this problem by passing immigration reform...

Since Obama and those in Immigration are aware of all these costs, I doubt that even though as you mention, it would be good politically to do that, that it would be costly and not beneficial over the long run, and then, once that secret was out, spending that extra money would then even lose its political benefit. It would be called Obama's Sinkhole...

The best thing for America is to hold Republicans accountable for not passing immigration reform... If that were passed the real changes necessary to solve the big problem could begin. Currently we are dealing with one symptom at a time...

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 6:04pm
Kavips: That was very informative & very expensive. Over 8000 trucks to inspect. This is a sizable problem. Sounds like we've lost this battle already. The ants have overcome the giant. We can't afford all that money as we're already up to our neck in debt.

If all of this you just explained is correct then I can understand why Obama hasn't closed the border. He needs some serious do-re-mi from Congress, the House specifically as they are the ones who appropriate any government money. So if I understand this correctly the reason the border hasn't been closed is due the Republicans in the House not providing Obama with the money to do it. So it is the Republicans fault, at least since Obama has been President.

Very interesting.

mrpizza
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 7:35pm
As always with Kavips, kooky is as kooky does.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 7:51pm
Mrpizza: the House does allocate the money, if the GOP controlled house hasn't provided the required money so National Guards could be deployed along the border by Obama then it is the Republicans fault . So what's so kooky about that?

EarlGrey
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 9:25pm
Many Republicans have helped this crisis occur, but the responsibility rests at the feet of this administration (i.e. the president)...had he acted like a leader and taken the border problem seriously, there would be no crisis...Perry and border agents have been telling the president about this problem for at least four years. AND, where's the fence 0bama promised? He mocked those who dared ask this question and suggested maybe they wanted a moat too...no Mr. President...we want you to stop lying...even many Democrats are changing their position on both immigration and the president. What has this president done (other than make empty promises/speeches) to make the Republicans believe he would fulfill his word this time? Ever heard the story of a little boy who cried wolf?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

mrpizza
Mon, Jul 14, 2014 10:20pm
MFD: This whole thing with the border is just a bunch of grandstanding by Obama. In fact, I'm certain he manufactured this crisis as part of his strategy to ensure America becomes Amerika.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 8:41am
EarlGrey and Mrpizza: What I see is an expensive problem to fix. Doesn't mean it can't be fixed, I believe it must be fixed. The thing that keeps this from getting done is allocating the money to spend to line the border and build the wall [hey the moat idea with Crocodiles works for me -haha] or however they'd do it, with National Guard troops. The states of Texas, N. Mexico, Arizona, and Calif, can't afford to pay that cost. So until the House flashes the cash, it won't be done. Even Obama with his use of EO's knows he can't get money without the Congress. So that blame at least during the Obama years falls in the lap of Republicans in Congress.

The other part of this that falls in the Republican's lap is they do not want to raise taxes on those wealthiest 2% which would provide additional moneys to get some things done.

With the US out of Iraq and hopefully staying out of Iraq and with us leaving Afganastan those two things might free up some money and troops.

So if the GOP/TEA party really want to show the voters that it really is Obama that's obstructing getting the border closed, then the House should make the money available for Obama to order Fed Troops to the border and to start construction of the Wall. It all starts with the House giving the money.

If this were a chess game, I'd say its the Republicans move.

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 8:59am
Kavips: Apparently not all of the Black community is happy with President Obama's job performance. Some in his home turf [Chicago] are saying he's the worse President ever.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/14/obama-slammed-worst-president-ever-black-chicagoan/

EarlGrey
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 9:16am
Mike: It's not about getting more money, the border-fence funding was already allocated years ago, the project approved and the fence/wall/moat was supposed to be built...but as we know it has not been built...I'd like to know where all that money went!

We can "give" them trillions of dollars, but we are no safer unless they do what they are supposed to do with the money. After all these failed promises...why should the Republicans (or anyone) trust this administration to do anything they promise to do? Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

As for higher taxes...I'm actually with you if they go after the .01% uber-rich (like Bill Gates, Buffett, Soros, etc)...but unless loopholes are closed they will never actually pay more.

EarlGrey
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 9:30am
"In 2006, the Secure Fence Act was signed into law, requiring the Department of Homeland Security to build upward of 700 miles of double layered fencing along the U. S-Mexico border. While the Obama administration is quick to state that the targets have been met, only a small fraction — in fact, less than 40 miles — of the newly implemented infrastructure is double-layered. The single-layer pedestrian fencing and vehicle barriers that fill the remaining mileage might be better than nothing, but the opportunity to build on San Diego’s success continues to be missed in the absence of adding secondary fencing where necessary."

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/05/fence-is-right-fix-for-nations-border-problems/

EarlGrey
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 9:33am
"Either the mandates of the Secure Fence Act should be reinstated, which I have proposed, or the Obama administration should utilize existing authority to finish the job that the Bush Administration halfheartedly started. Either way, this is one initiative that, after almost 10 years since the Secure Fence Act was enacted, needs to be completed — the way it was intended."

(this should have been part of the quoted section in post above)

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 10:16am
EarlGrey: I agree. But as you noted Bush Jr is as much as fault as Obama. Neither side when they are President seems to want to do the job of securing the border [this has gone one since Reagan's term - so DEM and GOP Prez's are all dropping the ball], another reason I'm an Independent.



EarlGrey
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 11:05am
Mike: I agree with you on Bush Jr., but Reagan foolishly believed the agreement/bill he signed (1986 IRCA: amnesty in exchange for tough border & penalties)...the other side of the deal never took place and he got hornswoggled.

"Rising levels of illegal immigration [led to] the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA). It provided amnesty for 3 million illegal immigrants, in return for increased border security and penalties for companies "knowingly" hiring illegal immigrants."

Problem is the increased border security and penalties for companies knowingly hiring illegals never happened...leaving 3 million amnestied people with no actions to prevent further illegal immigrants from entering our country/workforce.

So again, why should anyone trust this current administration to do what they promise?

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 2:06pm
EarlGrey: Yep Reagan did get hornswoggled by Congress back then. He forgot his own axim: Trust but verify.

You're correct though. They passed the law, but then didn't follow the law. Reagan did have the right idea on this and that's what really sad about it, even Reagan couldn't get it to done.

This brings up the real problem, how come the Congress is never held accountable for their actions? They weren't supposed to raid the Social Security Trust Fund either, yet both party's did and nothing happens to them.

It seems to me that the Supreme Court should be able to sue Congress for not following the laws. Otherwise, what good does it do to pass a law if its not going to be enforced?

We've got a government that doesn't function well at all. If this was private enterprise the company would be out of business as the stock holders would move their money elsewhere. We don't get a real choice. Neither side DEM or GOP/TEA really offer something better. I know you believe the TEA/GOP offers something better, but their actions show that they are no better. That government shut down last fall cost you and I as tax payers 2 Billion dollars and accomplished absolutely nothing other than wasting tax payer money and ticking off folks. Now Boehner wants to sue Obama in a case that will be in the courts for years, so even if Boehner wins, it won't affect Obama at all, maybe the next President. So from a tax payer point of view this another waste tax payer money for nothing. Sadly it appears that Boehner is trying to convince the people of his home state [Ohio] that he can hassle Obama like any good Tea partyer. Boehner is facing a primary challenge with a Tea party candidate, lots of TEA party money is flowing into Ohio to unseat Boehner. So hep's running scared and this law suit against Obama is the result.

Stuff like this is why I'm not a GOP, TEA, or DEM. They're all full of it and are only looking out for THEIR wallets and best interests and don't give rip about anyone else. Any of these three would sell their grandmother up the river if it would help them win. No intergrity and honesty in any of the partys.

kavips
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 7:15pm
I appreciate the link Earl provides. It shows that the fence was built according to plan. The quote he adds come from someone who thinks we need to amp-up and build a double fence across the border length.. But before reading Earl's post, I thought the fence had not been built and that is was Obama's fault that it hadn't. But it has, it is built, and the Secure Fence Act of 2006 was fulfilled in it's entirety...

However, in the article provided by Earl, that author brings up the weaknesses of the double fence that was built... For one, they are getting in boats and landing up and down California. The Coast Guard needs to grow itself 100 times larger to be able to land on and investigate every ship sailing up the coast.

As Mike says. 100 times bigger Coast Guard? This is costly. We just got through building a fence costing $1.2 billion. To do the double layered fence would have cost $4.3 billion. And now we are being asked to increase the Coast Guard by 100 fold to search every boat approaching California along its 840 miles of coast line... Is so, then what about the expansion to Gulf side? Texas shoreline and that of Louisiana through Florida? All 2211 miles... How much would that cost?

(present for Allan's trivia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_coastline )

As Earl's article specifies, as we spend more and more and more, they will find ways to get around it.. As I said from far above, they are not getting here by swimming across the Rio Grande anymore. They are lining up outside our border deportation centers and turning themselves in. They get processed, have a court date set, and then disappear...

So now, we have to build camps (more cost) to hold them until we can have a trial and then send them back.. More costs... More costs, more costs, more cost! Where does it end with these spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend Republicans?

We don't care what it costs, Republicans say.. we will spend ALL your money, ALL your children's money, ALL your grandchildren's money.. etc... after all, we are spend, spend, spend Republicans... Look what we did to the deficit under George W Bush! We went from a surplus to the worst deficit EVER!

Some of you are old enough to remember Reagan chiding the tax-n-spend Democrats.. Mike, I know both you and Allan are well cognizant of that.. I guess we're old.. It's flipped and entirely the opposite now...

Democrats are budget conscious. Republicans aren't.

We have take-out-a-loan-and-spend Republicans who don't care one iota about the deficit. We have democrats who have consistently cut spending, used good judgment and have trimmed the deficit by a third each year....

The biggest reason for not building that fence even larger is that it is costly and it expands the problem requiring even more costly measures to combat that expansion ....

Conservatives have been trying to get the fence extended for years... The original act was 2006... It was passed, by a margin of about 80-20 in the Senate if I remember correctly...

In 2008 a new fence bill was offered. Died in committee.
In 2010 it was reintroduced... unsuccessfully.
In 2012 it was made part of Romney's plank. We know what happened to him and Republicans...
In 2010,2011,2012,2013,and 2014 no Tea Party or other Republican Congressperson in the Republican House of Representatives offered any bill to extend the fence. Why? They need to spend a minimum of $4.3 billion dollars, a cost not spread out over 10 years. but needed to be spent as soon as possible.. "Can't touch that." they all said.....

So for Earl and the Republican noise machine to blame Obama who doesn't have anything to do with appropriating finances, is the worst type of politics ever. Blaming someone else for what you did! ...

But Congress never voted for the funding. What is the president supposed to do... Use his executive action? Lol!!!!!

So, this mess is Congress fault. It may take a while for the main stream media to come around, but it will... it will. Like Benghazi, like the IRS, like the NSA, the fault is the Republicans in the House of Representative... It all comes down to money, and the Founding Fathers were wise enough to let the body that has the highest accountability to voters (2 year terms) be the ones in sole control of the money....

Obama should mock the Republican Congress! America should know whose fault it really is! If they wanted the fence, they should have voted in the money.. We'd have it.. They own the money. they own this problem... The Tea Party didn't spend the money... We have no double fence... just a single one that was apportioned 8 years ago... by a non-Tea Party Congress.

Some things never change. Gosh I hope a miracle occurs and enough Tea Partier lose their House seats that it finally, once again, starts acting adult...


mrpizza
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 7:48pm
MFD: The problem as I see it is Obama doesn't want border control. In fact, my argument is that he and his staff met in a back room at the White House and orchestrated this entire thing. He's making a pretense of wanting to fix this problem but the truth is he doesn't want it fixed because if it's fixed they may not need the Democrats anymore. The left thrives on keeping the problems alive so they can use them as election issues.

I know at this point you probably think I'm a kook just like Kavips or maybe instead of Kavips, but remember, Churchill warned the world about Stalin and was ultimately vindicated.

EarlGrey
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 9:31pm
The fence should have been completed under Bush, but wasn't, and isn't completed now (as President 0bama claims)...both men failed to properly protect our border.

700 miles of double-fence was BY LAW mandated to be built...only 40 miles were completed.

A couple ways to fix the immigration crisis are:
1. The 2006 law-mandated fence needs to be built/completed.
2. LEGAL immigration process needs to be stream-lined of bureaucratic red tape, made affordable and wait times dramatically reduced.
3. "Companies must use Worker ID...making it easy for employers to avoid undocumented workers, which will allow for tough sanctions against employers who break the law, which will lead to no jobs being available for illegal immigrants, which will stop illegal immigration,"~Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y),wrote in his 2007 book, "Positively American."

mrpizza
Tue, Jul 15, 2014 10:47pm
Earl: I completely concur with you about the fence. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't want the fence. He doesn't want to solve the immigration problem. In fact, I'll even go as far as to say that Obama probably negotiated secretly with Central American dictators to send us these children. Yes, I believe it was completely Obama's idea.

Welcome to Amerika.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 8:28am
EarlGrey makes sense, Mrpizza you go off the deep end. So if what you say is true than that must mean that neither Bush Jr or Clinton wanted the fence or to solve the immigration problem, Welcome to Amerika. If it applies to Obama than it must also apply to those two.

Fair is fair.

EarlGrey
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 9:36am
mrpizza: As you probably know from my previous posts here I'm not exactly an 0bama fanboy, but I doubt he himself is anyway directly involved in meetings with South American leaders to ship their unwanted citizens to the U.S. border...Mexican President Nieto on the other hand has met with and has an agreement with South American leaders. Mexico is granting 72 hour visas to South American "travelers" going to our country.

Now if you said Eric Holder was directly involved...then I would definitely agree with you.

kavips
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:04am
Earl. Again your facts are wrong.

700 miles of double fences was not mandated to be built. It appears that only 45 miles were mandated to be built....

And as you well know, they were.... But you seem to ignore the cost. I'm sure there are better figures, but mathematically if it costs $1.4 billion to do 45 miles of double fence, then it could be at least expected that (700/45) it would cost 15 times that or $21 billion to do the full double fence you now want done...

Is your party willing to tax the top 1% more to cover that $21 billion up front, or like always, will you pass that cost too, down to our children and grandchildren like you did the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

But facts are facts... The 2006 law was for a double fence amounting to only 45 miles...

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-109publ367/html/PLAW-109publ367.htm

OH!! BUT WAIT!!!!

There is a bill in Congress RIGHT NOW that has already passed the Senate and has Obama's approval and just needs a House up or down vote (there is enough bipartisan support to pass it) to be signed.... It is called the... The Border Security, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013.... It passed the Senate June 27, 2013. One year and 20 days ago! It, not the 2006 law, is what required AND FUNDED the completion of 700 miles [1,126 kilometers] of double border fence. It added 20,000 new border agents. It detailed a specific technology plan for monitoring each sector of the border..... The TEA Party says it costs too much...

And it is stuck in the House, right now, this very minute, bottled up because Boehner won't put it on the floor for a vote... BECAUSE WITH DEMOCRATS AND MODERATE REPUBLICANS THERE ARE ENOUGH VOTES RIGHT NOW, FOR IT TO PASS......

So you see Earl, it is YOUR party, once again, that has really messed things up... And once again, you are blaming the president whose hands so obviously have been tied, by the babies the TEA party put in Congress, whose only legacy will be that in their four years, they did nothing.... It's time we remove these babies put adults back in control of our government....


EarlGrey
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:09am
The fact is that Mexico’s illegal immigration laws are a lot tougher than those of the U.S. Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be jailed for ten years. Visa violators can be sentenced for six-year terms and Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered to be criminals.

It doesn’t end there. Under Mexican law, foreigners can be deported if they are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests”, violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy”, or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance.” This applies to their dependents as well.

Somehow, though, thousands of “migrants” from nations to the south of Mexico are passing through to get to our border and are, in the process, no less illegal in Mexico than here. That has changed, however. On July 9, the Examiner reported that Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto had met with Guatemalan president Otto Perez Molina and they held a joint press conference to “officially announce an agreement to make it easier for those making the illegal journey to the United States from Central American, to cross into Mexico.” They will be issued a “Regional Visitor’s Card” that allows them to stay in Mexico for 72 hours, just long enough to make it to the U.S. border. The arrangement will include Belize as well. No doubt it will be extended to San Salvador and Honduras.

http://beforeitsnews.com/immigration/2014/07/mexico-is-deliberately-aiding-illegal-aliens-2448794.html

kavips
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:20am
Moving on... now that it has been settled that this is the Tea Party's fault...

Mike, you were asking for a non-expensive solution to solve this crises...

It is this.. President Bush's guest-worker proposal would have created a legal means -- a renewable three-year work visa -- for new immigrants to enter the country and take jobs that Americans don't want. Illegal immigrants already living here would become eligible for guest-worker status after paying a fine.,, So instead of costing the US money, we get money. It stops smuggling cold. Who'd pay a smuggler when they can just walk in for free? This bill would process new immigrants the exact same way your ancestors were processed on Ellis Island... If an alien is here legally, they have a card to prove it. If they have a card it is easier to enforce that employers are only hiring carded immigrants. The uncarded segment dwindles to very few...

This method will cost little, and would use money from fines to offset the bureaucratic cost.... It was one of Bush's best pieces of legislation and had strong bi-partisan support, but the extreme Conservatives, the forerunners of today's TEA Party, objected to it because it didn't allow for the poking out of immigrant's eyeballs with sharp pointy objects.

EarlGrey
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:25am
...more facts.

On October 26, 2006, U.S. President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub.L. 109–367) into law stating, “This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."[1]

The bill was introduced on Sep. 13, 2006 by Peter T. King (R-NY). In the House of Representatives, the Fence Act passed 283 -138 on September 14, 2006. On September 29, 2006 – the Fence Act passed in the Senate 80 -19.

The Secure Fence Act of 2006’s goal is to help secure America’s borders to decrease illegal entry, drug trafficking, and security threats by building 700 miles (1,100 km) of physical barriers along the Mexico-United States border. Additionally, the law authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting as well as authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce infrastructure at the border.[1] Congress approved $1.2 billion in a separate homeland security spending bill to bankroll the fence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

...and is there really any government-run project or program that stays remotely on budget? The answer is no.

kavips
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:44am
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/impreso/mexico-y-guatemala-protegeran-a-migrantes-216921.html

Earl... if you read the original agreement in Spanish, you would see there is no mention of the US in the agreement. Essentially Mexico is waving their immigration ruling for humanitarian reasons, just like we (USA) did with refugees from Laos and Vietnam (boat people) as well as the kids from South Sudan... Mexico, just as in the US, where existing law prevents something like that from happening, an exception has to be made.

Before you jump to the conclusion that all of these are coming to the USA, remember the remark above, that Central American entries in the US have jumped 629%; but into other nations it's jumped 712%... Mexico is being humanitarian here. It has a massive refugee problem pouring in, and was smart, (unlike American conservatives who prevented something like this in the US), to get in front and provide a legal structure enabling existing law to stand intact and not get usurped by this infusion of people who would otherwise, as did happen in the US, disappear and remain unprocessed now going on at least 30 years for some USA illegals...

kavips
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:50am
Notice in Earls above comment it says 700 miles of physical barriers. That is not double fencing but includes a lot of options, even including drone surveillance.

The double fence was strictly 45 miles as shown in my link above.... Though Wikipedia quotes the bill's synopsis which generally rounded up to 700 miles, deeper in the bill itself, Congress only specified 652 miles of "physical barriers" to be built. Of that 652 miles, 651 were built... Being close enough for all to say that the mandate of Congress was met...

EarlGrey
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 11:29am
"It has a massive refugee problem pouring in, and was smart, (unlike American conservatives who prevented something like this in the US), to get in front and provide a legal structure enabling existing law to stand intact and not get usurped by this infusion of people who would otherwise, as did happen in the US, disappear and remain unprocessed now going on at least 30 years for some USA illegals...

So, what do you suggest? We follow Mexico's example and transport all these "refugees" to Canada? Eh?

I agree that we should follow Mexico's immigration and voting policies.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be jailed for ten years. Visa violators can be sentenced for six-year terms and Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered to be criminals.

Mexico also has very tough/strict voting policies/laws...unlike our country.


Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 1:20pm
Kavips said: "Mike, you were asking for a non-expensive solution to solve this crises...

It is this.. President Bush's guest-worker proposal would have created a legal means -- a renewable three-year work visa -- for new immigrants to enter the country and take jobs that Americans don't want. Illegal immigrants already living here would become eligible for guest-worker status after paying a fine.,, So instead of costing the US money, we get money. It stops smuggling cold. Who'd pay a smuggler when they can just walk in for free? This bill would process new immigrants the exact same way your ancestors were processed on Ellis Island... If an alien is here legally, they have a card to prove it. If they have a card it is easier to enforce that employers are only hiring carded immigrants. The uncarded segment dwindles to very few...

This method will cost little, and would use money from fines to offset the bureaucratic cost.... It was one of Bush's best pieces of legislation and had strong bi-partisan support, but the extreme Conservatives, the forerunners of today's TEA Party, objected to it because it didn't allow for the poking out of immigrant's eyeballs with sharp pointy objects."

Sounds like Bush Jr had a good idea [OK, it was his wife Laura's - heh heh]. Sadly we didn't do it.

mrpizza
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 9:05pm
Earl: If Eric Holder is involved, then Obama is involved because holder works for Obama. You could say he's Obama's Joseph Goebbels.

mrpizza
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 11:08pm
MFD: I'm not disputing fault on the part of Bush. However, Bush hasn't been president for 6 years, so his part in the matter is irrelevant and Obama cannot legitimately use it as a crutch.

mrpizza
Wed, Jul 16, 2014 11:29pm
I should also add that I don't believe Bush had sinister intent but rather he was just ignorant in the matter. Obama's intent on the other hand is totally diabolical and calculated.
Oh, and I would be remiss if I didn't also say intentional.

Welcome to Amerika.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 8:01am
Mrpizza: I can totally agree with you that Bush Jr. was probably ignorant on this and some other issues.

However, do you have proof of some sort that Obama's intent is totally diabolical, calculated, and intentional [you are impling that he's trying to destroy America]?? I don't mean some rant from Rush /Jensen or the "Brain Trust" on Fox "News", but something solid? That's a serious charge, essentially you're calling the President a traitor or being guilty of teason.

Bush was definitely ignorant and incompetent and should't have been Prez, but given the other choices in 2000 Al Gore and 2004 John Kerry, the nation elected the lesser of the idiots.

Sadly the GOP/TEA did that in 2008 with John McCain/Palin [the emphasis being on Palin], so the nation said, ah no thank you and elected Obama.

SUBJECT CHANGE

Now what's got me fired up, to change the subject, is Obama has asked Markell to house some of those 50,000 illegal kids here in Delaware [WDEL's report yesterday didn't say now many of the 50K, hopefully not all 50K]. Good ole Jack, an Obama hanger on, is saying he's interested. I don't know if Markell can do this on his own or if he needs the Legislature to approve this, but I believe that IF he does bring these illegals to Delaware, they should be housed in Greenville and Hockessin. The rest of the state already has plenty of illegals [I see them everyday in my working class neighborhood]. As I don't have a greedy bone in my body, I'm willing to share and know the folks in Greenville and Hockessin have been short shrifted in that they don't have many if any illegals in their neighborhoods so I say any and all of those illegal kids brought to Delaware should and MUST go to both Greenville and Hockessin.

EarlGrey
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 9:35am
Mike:
Of course, Markell will say yes to housing thousands of illegals in Delaware..is there any hoop he hasn't jumped through for this administration?

I like your suggestion on housing locations for the imported illegals...why not volunteer Biden's vacant house in Greenville too?

On a related note, I heard a story on NPR this morning giving reasons/support for allowing thousands of illegals (many kids) into our country and putting them in refugee camps. The part I found most interesting was the argument that the living conditions of these kids is horrible (which I believe to be absolutely true) and our country must take them all in because we care...we do care but the living conditions described for these kids sounds almost exactly like the living conditions of kids growing up in Detroit, Philly, Chicago... Before we bring in thousands of people from unknown origins, unknown medical history, unknown criminal history, unknown educational history...maybe we should fix our own country!

Fix our broken LEGAL immigration policies, finish the border's double-fence (where needed) and enforce the Worker ID system.

And, as a side note, does anyone know if all these "visitors" are receiving healthcare via the "Affordable" Care Act?

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 10:27am
EarlGrey: well said. My guess is any healthcare those kids get you and I are paying for, probably through Medicaid.

You made an excellent point about the neighborhoods in all of our major cities, that also should include Wilmington. There was an article I posted the other day where many black folks from Chicago [Obama's home turf] who were very upset with Obama bringing in these kids. They essentially said what you just said, how about fixing up our neighborhoods first BEFORE bringing in more folks and spending Millions of dollars to help outsiders while ignoring Legal American citizens.

Speaking of Obama, the Greatest President in Kavips lifetime will be here in Wilmington today jamming up the area roadways. The route he'll take has not been disclosed as he will deplane at the Del Air National Guard base, NOT the New Castle Airport terminal [both use the same runways].

He's supposed to give a speech around 2pm at the Wilmington Marine Terminal with the failed I-495 bridge in the background. Interestingly he'll be giving a speech on the infersturcture needing repair [ironically the I-495 bridge was in fine shape prior to some idiot putting tons of dirt up against the pillar of the bridge so not from not being maintained by DelDot, but in a way sabatoged by some dumb bell].

So this will be a banner day for Rick Jensen, his arch enemy will prempt part of his show today of which he'll bash and condemn after he goes back on the air.

My guess is Amy Cherry will do the honors for WDEL and will probably provide a feed for CBS Radio News, so listen for her voice in the next hourly CBS newscast with the tag Amy Cherry reporting for CBS news in Wilmington Delaware. WDEL has used her before and I've heard her on the CBS hourly news while in Pittsburgh on the CBS Radio affilitate there.

kavips
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:00pm
Appears another Malaysian Plane is down. This one in Ukraine. and fingers are right now pointing both armies and blaming a rocket, but Malaysian Airways is confirming an incident on board... Crash just happened 24 minutes ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBz-5QCV7LI#t=19

kavips
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:04pm
According to Ukraine official... this is the weapon that shot it out of the sky at 33,000 feet....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TNSMjPxhmrY


kavips
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:14pm
The more one looks into the crises at the border, the more one finds the causes lie with the Republicans in the House...

Everything Earl says we need to do... and I'll briefly quote:

"Fix our broken LEGAL immigration policies, finish the border's double-fence (where needed) and enforce the Worker ID system."

Is in the Immigration Bill sitting on Boehner's desk stamped Dead On Arrival... If your are going to throw blame out, at least blame the right people. No reason to sully the best president in our lifetimes with false accusations.....

WE simply can't afford to elect Republicans, anymore. The world is growing fast, and the Republican Party of the USA is what is holding this nation behind.

EarlGrey
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:32pm
kavips: So, we need to discourage people coming to America for amnesty, by passing amnesty?Yes, of course! If Congress would only pass amnesty, the people of the world would say to themselves, “Uh-oh! I better not cross the border into America now! LOL!

EarlGrey
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:41pm
That logic sounds like Bush's "I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system” logic.

EarlGrey
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:54pm
I'm hearing reports on CBSnews the Malaysian airliner was accidentally downed by the Russian military...a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down on Monday in that same area.

According to hotair.com...the Russians have admitted they shot down the plane.

kavips
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 1:20pm
It did not enter Russian Airspace. The shot had to come in the Ukraine, where there are no Russians supposedly. Separatists yes.

Mike, here is the nuts and bolts of your amnesty argument.

If you have no speed limits you cannot arrest someone for going too fast. Ironically if every hispanic is illegal, you can't randomly send people back and randomly let some stay... You need a starting point. I know you are not old enough, but your grandparents were... did they every tell you roads used not to have speed limits? Didn't need them with horses and no one realized they needed them because cars were so new... Speed limits developed later and now are an accepted part of life.

There are two choice before us... One is to call allowing those productive aliens here for a long time to become citizens, "amnesty" and do absolutely nothing about making them apart of the USA....

Or two, calling those productive aliens here for a long time, future citizens, and establishing a process to separate them from say an illegal who was just smuggled in yesterday and has just turned himself in then disappeared.

What is impossible to do are these:

Send them back.
Keep the problem growing by doing nothing.
Fire all them and have 20 million unemployed now driven to crime.

Those are what cannot be done.. So, Mike and Earl, which choice would you take?

If you go back through the old newspapers, you can see that Libertarian types railed at speed limit control, letters to editors abound. Calling it unconstitutional, taking away their freedom, rights, and ability to pursue happiness...they weren't hurting anyone, etc. They were quite animated and held up the imposition of speed limits for a while... But, eventually the common sense that something needed to be done overruled their libertarianism, and I don't know about you, but speed limits were an accepted thing in my youth, as they are today... "Don't go over the speed limit or you'll get a ticket" said my mom as she leaned over to look at the speedometer..."

Common sense rules every time... We need a process of legalization so we can control the effects... It really is counterproductive to demand no speed limits as cars go faster and faster and the danger looms greater and greater...

This immigration plan simply draws a line in the sand so we can send those back who don't comply with our new law... and keep those fine, outstanding individuals who would be no doubt be citizens now, if we had put this policy in place back in 1980 when Latins begin crossing the border...

But if you have no law you can't arrest anyone without having to arrest everyone...

EarlGrey
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 3:04pm
kavips: Of your two options...the only one that makes sense is option #2, but without securing the border, worker ID and vastly improved LEGAL immigration policies...we are in the same situation as Reagan in '86 (only on a much larger scale). So, until the border is secured nothing else can proceed or be agreed upon.

"Had he lived to see today's failures that sprung from previous attempts to secure our country's borders, it is difficult to imagine Reagan supporting immigration reform of any stripe that did not absolutely ensure border integrity first. "Trust, but verify," in Reagan's words."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/07/15/reagan-immigration-reform-house-column/2518351/

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 6:47pm
Kavips & EarlGrey: you both have part of the answer. First close the border, then require worker ids so that employers have no excuse for not knowing who they've hired. Then make the fine so high per illegal employee that it will not be the cost of doing business. Any illegal adult who is not married & unemployed gets deported. Obviously a married spouse may not be employed, but as long as one is employed then they get to stay on a legal work permit. Give them a 10 year path to citizenship that doesn't start until all aspects of this plan are working.

mrpizza
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 8:25pm
MFD: Having previously served on a jury in a medical malpractice case, I had to decide whether or not a doctor was liable for a woman's death. As badly as I felt for the family, the evidence didn't add up to liability. In fact, the evidence actually showed that the doctor went above and beyond the call of duty.

As a juror on the court of public opinion, I judge the president and all other politicians the same way. While I can't prove everything I believe, I base my opinions on the evidence. Now admittedly, I do rely on Rush/Hannity/Beck/Jensen to present some of that evidence, but I then evaluate that evidence and form my own opinions rather than to just lazily take my sources at full face value.

In the case of Obama, I get most of my evidence "straight from the horse's mouth". I guess you could consider the talk hosts to be "expert witnesses", but I also listen to the top-of-the-hour newscasts so I hear expert testimony from both the prosecution and the defense.

This is about the best explanation I can offer on the subject of objectivity.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jul 17, 2014 10:15pm
Mrpizza: doesn't it strike you as a bit strange that Rush,Beck,Hannity, & Jensen never have any thing good to say about Obama & the DEMS? To me they have no credibility for that reason. You'd not believe Randi Rhodes or a Rachel Madow , because you say they are biased. You can't have it both ways. Why not listen to some NPR & Fox talk radio (both are available on line. Also WDEL has the On online podcasts of CBS Radio Weekend Round Up, Face the Nation. These programs would also broaden your perspective. That way you hear both sides, then your opinion would be more credible. Just a suggestion.

mrpizza
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 6:19am
Oh, I've listened to those shows. They consider five liberals vs. one conservative to be "balance". Besides, Rush watches them for me and then plays back the sound bytes. I'll let him be the glutton for punishment.

mrpizza
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 6:21am
To be quite blunt, porn probably causes less mind pollution than those Sunday talk shows. I must keep myself pure before God.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 8:54am
Mrpizza: on some Fox programs there will be one lone liberal against the 5 conservatives, both sides do it.

When Hannity pretended to be fair and balanced he had the mealy mouthed Alan Colmes as the liberal sidekick against Hannity's big ranting mouth. Guess who talked the most and would talk over the other guy interrupting? Clue it wasn't Alan Colmes.

You let Rush watch them and play his selective sound bytes. Let me ask you a question. If your pastor only used one verse from a Bible quote would you accept that or would you want to hear more of the passage so you'd understand the context it was used? An example: quoting only the part in Matt 5:38 that says an Eye for an Eye and a tooth for a tooth would miss the entire point. THAT's the problem with guys like Rush and Jensen. They are trying to prove the DEMS to be wrong and don't always tell the whole story. The liberal talkers do the same thing, but the point is you can't depend on them [lib or con talkers] giving you the full picture, but only the part of the picture that fits THEIR agenda.

Essentially you're not looking for the truth, but what fits what you already believe. I hope you're not reading the Bible that way. We should approach God's Word without preconceived views [as well as any person can do that] so that the Holy Spirit can guide and show us what God is saying.

I agree with you that we are to keep ourselves pure before God, so that means you watch very little if any "secular" television or watch next to no "secular" movies?

I don't believe it makes you un-pure before the Lord to try to learn and understand what our leaders are doing. Given the bias that ALL national media has [including Fox and MSNBC], to have a reasonable understanding of the issues one needs to hear, read, or view more than one source, a lib and a conservative source. What I've found is you'll find common stuff said by both, THAT's the truth, the rest is spin.

EarlGrey
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 10:06am
Mike: I agree with your list of talkers on the Left and Right, except for Beck. He infuriates both sides these days (especially establishment Republicans).
Becks's latest controversy is he (along with Texas representatives Louie Gohmert & Ted Cruz, and several local churches) are going to the Texas/Mexico border to see first-hand the crisis and hand out needed supplies. Our president wouldn't visit the border, ignored the Ukraine/Russia downing of a commercial airliner (with 300 people/possibly 23 Americans) and then visited the "First State" to talk about raising taxes for infrastructure, eat some burgers at the Charcoal Pit and on to NYC for more fundraising.

I'm not sure if Cruz is going to be the Republican pick (he's despised by establishment Republicans) but I sincerely hope the next president comes from the great state of Texas. There seem to be a couple real leaders in Texas, and our country sure could use a real leader.

EarlGrey
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 10:08am
..and as most Delawareans know, the I-495 bridge had nothing to do with a failing infrastructure and everything to do with someone illegally dumping dirt. What's even worse is that the Markell administration was warned by several people about the bridge and these warnings were ignored.

Mike from Delaware
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 1:18pm
EarlGrey: I caught that on Beck's show the other day [I put him on sometimes during his first half hour at 9 to see what he's discussing [the best half hour, less self promoting and crap ola with Stew and the gang]. I was impressed that he's taking his own money and doing that, a Godly thing to do.

Since Ted Cruz forced that Government Shut Down last fall [costing the tax payer 2 Billion dollars for nothing], he's off my list and I don't think he'd win, for that reason. He too easily would jump off a cliff to force his will on folks, that's not leadership. We don't want another "dictator" be he conservative or liberal. Rick Perry, on the other hand is more even keeled so less frightening to Independents and DEMS as he's been successful in running his mini-nation of Texas [I'll bet Texans wouldn't like their BIG state being called a mini 'anything' - heh heh].

Yep, I was saying that to someone yesterday, at work, that this visit by Obama was stupid [as the bridge was maintained fine by DelDot until some knucklehead put tons and tons of dirt up against the pillar - golly gee wiz the pillar moved], probably political payback to Markell and the DEMS in Delaware as we in Delaware appear to march in lockstep with Obama's every wish [Jack's now appearing to agree to house some of those illegal kids in Delaware].

As I said yesterday, they should be housed in Greenville and Hockessin.

kavips
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 2:45pm
The reason the bridge was chosen is because it highlights the problems to our infrastructure. How many of you are inconvenience by all the excessive traffic?

90,000 cars drive that every day... To give you a visual, that would be, assuming an average 15 feet per car, 1,350,000 feet of car if you parked them in a row, bumper touching bumper.. At 5280 feet per mile that line would last 255 miles, bumper to bumper. Imagine taking a trip to Norfolk VA and for the entire 255 mile ride, a line of cars bumper to bumper parked along the side of the road....from Wilmington to Norfolk...

THAT is how much extra traffic is passing through Wilmington on 95 now... That is the damage one bridge out will cause.

Infrastructure is a serious problem and that if not fixed, will profoundly affect the lives of regular everyday Americans. This bridge costs me 25 minutes each way, and that amounts to 250 minutes or 4 hour and 10 minutes each week. The three months span will cost me 54 hours and 10 minutes. At 90,000 cars that would be 4,874,400 hours or 556 years of productivity.... One bridge...

We have 67486 bridges that are deficient....

Yeah, it is the biggest problem for America... Far more important than ........ Benghazi...... or the IRS looking over Tea Party Tax exemption requests....... or an American solder prisoner exchange......... or shutting down the government over Obamacare...... or letting a company outlaw contraception because they don't believe in fun sex.....

Republicans are an outdated bunch of fuddys who have gummed up the works too long... The rest of America is tired of these geezer grandpas driving 50 mph in the interstate fast lane averaging 70..... You just want to lean on your horn or push them off the road... "Hey gramps. Get a lead foot will you... Awww, Go back to your own century!"

mrpizza
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 6:29pm
Based on Kavips' above statement about us "geezers", I guess that must mean that we presently live in the "kook" century.

mrpizza
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 6:35pm
MFD: Even without any help from media of either political persuasion, I'm able to ascertain that Obama is pure evil just by looking at a picture of him. The difference between me and conservative talk hosts (except Michael Savage) is that they don't dare use that "c" word to describe him.

I've been around the world enough to know a communist when I see one.

mrpizza
Fri, Jul 18, 2014 6:43pm
And to back up my claim, I just found a CBS News article about a new evil that Obama committed just today:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-to-sign-orders-protecting-gay-employees/

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 8:26am
FINALLY! For the first time in six years, Obama does something right!

http://wdel.com/story.php?id=61076

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 11:01am
BRILLIANT! Here's the legal and practical solution to the border crisis (BTW, don't dis the message just because you don't like the messenger):

http://www.dickmorris.com/solution-border-crisis-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 11:04am
Mrpizza: So you believe its OK to discriminate in the workplace if a person is homosexual? Somehow I don't believe Jesus would do that. Yes practicing homosexuality is a sin, the Bible is pretty clear on that, but as we've discussed before Science seems to indicate they don't get a choice of being one so as long as they're not acting on the impulse then I don't see how they've sinned. I realize you don't see it that way, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

But in terms of a Secular governmental law, employment practice? No one should be discriminated against as long as they are legal citizens, have the skills or education, and the physical ability required to do the job. NOTE in the CBS article that churches are not being forced to hire gay/lesbian/transgendered pastors, etc.

The bigger issue will be when some of these transgendered "men/women" start using the ladies restrooms. These are men who believe they are women, but have not had the "sex change to their plumbing, etc" so they still look like a guy. Somehow, I can envision many complaints from real female employees about these men being in their restrooms.

That's what I find interesting is the women's groups like NOW are not speaking up against that aspect of this, because you know its going to be an issue at some point.

My guess is employers will not allow these "men/women" to use the other restroom until they've completely made the physical change from male to female before using the ladies room and the same for female to male and the men's room. Let's face it, these folks are already in our workplaces and we just don't know about it, because they don't try to go to the opposite rest room unless they "look" the part.

In terms of a church's view on this as a provider of ministry services via a government agency, sure the church ministry that somehow has a contract with the Federal government would face this requirement, but all that church has to do is end that contract and go minister to folks without using the government. This, in my opinion, is the better way to go, then you can openly freely share the love AND the Gospel of Jesus Christ with whomever you're serving without any non-sense from the government.

So maybe in one sense Obama with this new regulation is helping the churches to free themselves and their ministries from the restraint of government "service" and to go back to the Biblical standard of depending on God not Ceasar.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 11:16am
Mrpizza: Here is my solution to fixing both the illegal immigration problem and the Welfare problem. I call this Operation Fix America.

I don't blame the illegal immigrants for wanting to come here, but I don't believe we should simply allow anyone to walk in. We are the only nation, as far as I know, that does this. It seems dangerous and reckless.  

So the first step: Illegal Immigration can be fixed by first closing the borders so that ALL immigrants have to go through the immigration process, what’s fair for one is fair for all.  This isn’t a race issue, as I don’t want anyone Europeans, Asians, or Hispanics entering our nation illegally. 

Second: The US should allow those illegals who are already here and who are employed, not breaking any other laws, to stay.  Obviously their wives and kids get to stay.   Deport all the others. Stay with me, this will make sense in the next paragraph.
 
My solution to fixing Welfare works hand in hand with my immigration plan.   We should ship to Mexico all our Welfare folks who've made a career of sitting home and collecting Welfare, since prior to 2007, when the economy crashed.  I think that's a fair trade.  Most of the Hispanic folks who’ve migrated to the US want to work and are hard workers.   These folks if given a working visa so they can stay legally, with a 10 year path to citizenship would become tax payers; whereas those folks who are career generation after generation Welfare folks are simply leeches who truly are selfish takers. 

Since Mexico doesn't seem to care who they allow to cross into the US, I believe we should return the favor.  Mexico sends us unskilled willing to work Hispanics and we’ll send them lazy shiftless former Welfare folks of ALL races.  Seems fair to me.  Once the Welfare folks start hearing about their neighbor down the street being deported to Mexico for slothfulness, my guess is we’ll witness an amazing drop of Welfare recipients who suddenly managed to find a job. This is a win/win for the US tax payer.

OK, this last part probably is unconstitutional so instead those on Welfare should have to go to the Welfare office in their city or county once a week to pick up their check or get their EBT card refilled, not get it mailed or automatically deposited onto their EBT card.
 
Second: They should also have to go and work for the taxpayer three days per week, with a government supervisor [a paid job for a number of folks across the nation] where the Welfare folks pick up trash, cigarette butts, sweep streets, etc., leaving them four other days to go search for real work.  My guess is, if these things were required of physically able Welfare folks, they'd be a tad bit more motivated to take a job than to sit home saying they can't find anything.  

It's time to stop supporting the healthy, young who are lazy, who just want to get over on the system, be they black, brown, red, white, or yellow. It's not racial, it’s about being a leech. I’d rather give a break to those Hispanics who want to work and contribute something to society than those others who see you and I as chumps.

So with my Operation Fix America plan, we fix two problems.

kavips
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 11:53am
I really think it is funny that Pizza actually calls other people kooks...

As for his hatred of gay marriage, consider this. Jesus in the Bible says nothing about homosexuality... Just grasp the implication for a minute. When God, himself, was on this earth and walked among men, homosexuality was not enough of a big deal in his eyes to say anything about it....

But he did talk about marriage. Particularly one line where he talks about the lasting properties of marriage, so much that he says if a man divorces his wife without God's approval, both live their continuing lives in sin even if married to another partner.

Christians have always felt Jesus's words overrule the Old Testament. Anytime there is a conflict between Old and New we Christians are supposed to go with the Newer version. After all, that once came from God himself while he walked among us...

So when evangelicals say "no" to gay marriage, they are the sinners Jesus implies, forcing those two people to continue living in sin... People who love each other are going to live together, regardless of what a man-made law will say... So by not allowing Gay Marriage, you are forcing them into adultery...

So the Christian evangelicals here are the bigger sinners in God's eyes, not the gays who love and just want to marry... If there is any truth that America is being punished because of gays, it is the Christian evangelicals who have brought punishment down on this country, not two normal human beings who fell in love with each other and want to marry except that Christian evangelicals deny them that right...

Though Homosexuality may be mentioned in one line in Deuteronomy, Jesus himself talked about marriage... It is pretty clear that if two people love each other and you force them apart, you are the sinner, not them.

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 12:41pm
First, I'm going to dismiss Kook Kavips' above statement as it's a complete distortion not only of my position but also of God's holy word. BTW, when Jesus spoke of marriage he said "God made them male and female".

On to Mike from Delaware: I don't think gay's should be discriminated against in the workplace. That isn't the issue. The issue as I see it is that it's affirmative action on steroids. The discrimination that Obama is ordering against doesn't exist in the first place. Once again, it's an assault on decent ordinary people to force us into participating in that which is against our conscience. Eventually, it will be illegal for you and I to choose a roofing contractor for our own private house based on that contractor's sexual preference. In the words of pastor Martin Niemoller:



First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 12:46pm
Just a footnote to the above: If I don't speak up for businesses, then when the government comes for me, there won't be anybody left to speak for me.

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 1:06pm
MFD: Your immigration plan is excellent. I've lost any confidence whatsoever that government of any political party will do it.

As for churches, they can free themselves from it for the time being, but eventually they'll be forced regardless of whether they accept tax money or not. This is a first step, just as the socialists were the Third Reich's fist step.

kavips
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 1:37pm
Here are some problems with Mike's solution....

Mike:" I don't believe we should simply allow anyone to walk in..."

Rebuttal: Then legal people who leave the country temporarily can never come back. You have to have someway, a portal or something for people to re-enter. You seem to miss the point that no one walks across the border anymore... They get here either by being smuggled, buried with air tanks inside a truck of avocados, or walking across the border, could be as easy as standing right between two Americans being processed and saying "I'm here.. Do something with me..." We process them and they await a trial... When their trial comes, they are not there... This whole idea we have a border that is wide open was true in the 90's before 9/11, but since, is not true today. The immigrants who come, so not come across our border now patrolled by drones, radar, electric and heat sensors, and satellites... Which is why those who know, Congress and the administration, have dragged on building a fence... Yet the fence exactly as Earl wants, is in the bill on Boehner's desk.. and more importantly, that bill has the proper funds attached so it can be built....

Do you know what the only value of that fence is? Why it is now there in that bill? It is there to get the votes and support from dummies who won't vote for the real reform needed which they mistakenly call "amnesty".. That is the real reform.. Establishing a legal process towards citizenship, so we can have a legal boundary solid enough to sort out who will be a good citizen and who won't, is the true real reform...

Certainly we could save money on the fence.. but without it, due to sentiments of people who don't already know the border is closed, except for the portals through which everyone else must pass anyway, the real reform necessary, a legal process towards citizenship is not bound to happen... So we need to spend a 4 billion on a stupid project, to get the votes for reform... Heck. It's just a another 4 billion.. The Republicans just voted to increase the deficit $267 billion by giving another tax cut on the 1%.., Heck, in that atmosphere, what is another $4 billion?

And now to welfare...

Mike says: We should ship all the people sitting at home collecting Welfare since before 2007 when the economy crashed.

That would mean today, shipping back 4,966,400 white people,
5,094,400 blacks, and 2,009,600 legal Hispanics. Remember the illegals cannot receive welfare or food stamps because they are... illegal. Illegals have to work to live here.... (ref)

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

(By the way, those on welfare altogether amount to 4% of the US population. A cost to be sure, but not a huge gigantic drain on the other 96% of us who are not on it... A far bigger drain is our continued support of tax cuts to the top 1%... rewarding them for taking our jobs overseas. )

Now, on to dismissing the myth that careers are made on welfare. First to receive welfare, your income level must be very low. Delaware's yearly contingency fund for the state was a mere $2.8 million dollars in Fiscal 2013 alloted to be spent on all welfare that year. Nationwide, the numbers of cash assistance historically rose from 1.6 million families to 1.9 million due to the recession and as of last March, were down to 1.7 million families. As of the end of 2012, there is $1.7 billion in the TANF fund that was unspent for that year... In Delaware the maximum monthly allotment can be $338 dollars per month (family of 3). Per day that is $11 dollars. That puts you at a mark 21% below the poverty level.. 100% of the poverty level is dirt poor; you are one fifth of that. Furthermore, to receive these benefits, you have to enroll in a job seeking class, spend 32 hours a week looking for jobs, and meet the approval of your supervisor who will then sign off on your check. If after the class is over and you still haven't found a job, you have to volunteer at a work site. non profit, and then you have to intern at a for-profit job site. The idea is that they will hire you. But if not hired, then you get cut off after 10 weeks. After a month you can re apply and then start the process all over... It is hard work, getting assistance... I'm sure they work harder than any radio announcer. Not being snarky, but they under that much pressure for nothing really but that is all they have. (and I'm no stranger to radio announcing), I'm sure they work harder... For one, radio announcers these days at least, work very hard; it takes great concentration with all the keypads, tablets, computer screens, and computer mice in front of you, keeping visual cues through the glass window with your producer and co announcers, and to still keep your mind on being chatty and actually concentrating upon what you are saying... So to be on cash assistance, I'm saying is harder than that...

here is a pdf reference answering a lot of questions you might have:

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32760.pdf

And Mike... you stress that people should go to pick up their EBT card in person, and not have it mailed... They used to. Do you know why they changed it? To save money... Do you know how much more money it would take to process those claims humanly instead of computers? Have you ever spoken to a computer on the phone, like to an insurance agency? Does it get you there? What do you think the cost savings would be? You get the exact same result without a human. How many humans would it take to process Delaware's EBT population of 148,000? At 1 minute per transaction that would take 148,000 minutes or 2466 hours or 61 people at full time (40 hours) to house that... At $50,000 per job, after hiring 61 people tax payers would be paying them over $3 million dollars just to do what for now is done free. Now remember, Delaware's total for a year, was only $2 million dollars. Your way would spend $3 million dollars to make life harder on those taking $2 million dollars. That is why, we have EBT cards... and why it is working that way, and why, today our taxes are much lower than they otherwise could be...

last point: Mike says it is time to stop supporting the healthy young...

http://stateofworkingamerica.org/charts/unemployed-and-job-openings-by-industry/

Do you know how many jobs there are, and how many people are looking for jobs. There are twice as many people looking for jobs in each category than there are jobs available in that category... It is pretty consistent, whether by age, race, training,occupation, those already trained, there are twice as three times as many people looking for work than jobs available. meaning that for every job that gets filled, two people are still left unemployed.

By cutting them off, you are saying to our youngest, you have to eat.. rob someone... Seriously, you are pushing people into crime. We've already discussed who few people are actually on welfare. Young people today have the most difficult time getting work, after those 50 and older. (Geezers have it the worst) So cutting them off without jobs is forcing the strongest and least mature of our society into crime...
Not a good idea.

The fix is to create a job economy. That can only happen when the one percent stop hoarding all the profits we give them every time we buy something. They pay us and get it all back.

Taxing them, to penalize them for holding on to their money and not reinvesting it back into the economy, is the only current solution for growing America out of its doldrums. When the rich gets richer under a higher taxed system, so will the workers and not by handouts, but by healthier paychecks, and that is the ture American way. WE are all in this together; not I got mine, now give me more. Selfishness is not Jesus's way. It should not be the American way.

We are better than that. Now the only way to get proper tax on the top one percent is to get rid of all Republicans... and get super majorities in both Houses of Congress. It is an economic issue. Either that or have the Republicans jump on the tax-the-rich band wagon. Then we could still have Republicans and it wouldn't matter to this country. But failing that, we must currently get rid of Republicans...

Then, Mike's vision will take place naturally on its own... under natural economic progressions without the Republican interference currently holding each of our little personal economies up for ransom...










mrpizza
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 3:14pm
Actually, the solution to the departure/re-entry problem is simple. They get passports and visas and go through customs and all the border security measures the rest of us have to.


kavips
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 4:22pm
Exactly Pizza. So why are the Republicans preventing that very thing?

mrpizza
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 5:31pm
Pizza to Kook Kavips: If you can't see your "greatest president in our lifetimes" as the problem, then I can't help you. Kooks always choose ignorance over knowledge.

Mike from Delaware
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 9:06pm
Kavips: I just spent the past 90 minutes looking at those links you provided. A ton of info. I found a lot of what you mentioned.

THANK You. As usual you are a wealth of knowledge.

The one thing I didn't find was this part you said:
" In Delaware the maximum monthly allotment can be $338 dollars per month (family of 3). Per day that is $11 dollars. That puts you at a mark 21% below the poverty level.. 100% of the poverty level is dirt poor; you are one fifth of that. [THIS part I did find, but the next part below I couldn't find].

"Furthermore, to receive these benefits, you have to enroll in a job seeking class, spend 32 hours a week looking for jobs, and meet the approval of your supervisor who will then sign off on your check. If after the class is over and you still haven't found a job, you have to volunteer at a work site. non profit, and then you have to intern at a for-profit job site. The idea is that they will hire you. But if not hired, then you get cut off after 10 weeks. After a month you can re apply and then start the process all over... It is hard work, getting assistance..."

Do you have a link for what Delaware is requiring, because if this above is correct, then Delaware is already doing a variation of what the "spirit" of my plan intended, so my plan isn't needed.

Are the other states also doing this? Why isn't the media or the Administration telling the public this?

Interesting graph showing that around 1977 was when we first hit 2 million folks on Welfare. In the early 1990's it got to almost 4 million. After Clinton/Gingrich changed the Welfare law, around 1996, the numbers dropped off quite dramatically. Even during this 2007-2013 recession the peak was just around the 2 million mark and is lower now.

Switching back to illegal immigration: When I said walk in, that was a metaphor. Be they on foot, donkey, truck, in a pale of hay with a tractor pulling the wagon, the border should NOT be so easy to get past was my point.

I realize as you mentioned last week it will cost Billions of dollars to inspect all the trucks, etc.

The issue with the fence not needed to be built, if what you said is true why then aren't EITHER the President, or the knuckleheads in Congress of either party explaining all this to the American public? Why then are the governors and the people of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California complaining about being invaded by illegals?

There's something not right here and the tax payer citizens deserve to know the real deal.

Again, Kavips: THANK YOU for those links, great info.

By the way do you have your own blog? If so, would you share your link, that must be an interesting site with tons of information.

mrpizza
Sun, Jul 20, 2014 3:27pm
Hey Mike, let me give you a little help here. The link is:

http://kavips.wordpress.com/

Mike from Delaware
Sun, Jul 20, 2014 5:55pm
Mrpizza: Thanks !

Dunmore
Mon, Jul 21, 2014 1:03pm
Where is Allan? I hope he is on vacation and not ill.

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jul 21, 2014 1:24pm
Texas Governor Rick Perry is apparently considering deploying 1000 of the Texas National Guard to the Border.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IMMIGRATION_OVERLOAD_NATIONAL_GUARD?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-07-21-12-21-32



mrpizza
Mon, Jul 21, 2014 8:14pm
Dunmore: Allan is taking a well-deserved vacation. BTW his birthday is Wednesday. Wish him well.

kavips
Mon, Jul 21, 2014 8:25pm
Mike, the link you asked for.... I lost, it came from the Federal Act of 1996 pushed by Gingrich and signed by Clinton.

Here is the state compliance act issued under Minner and is still in effect today... Drop way down to the heading titled "Work" and the 30 hours plus 10 hours job seeking are outlined for you... The entire document will show that most of what people thought was welfare, is not... The Welfare Act you cited changed that....

http://www.dhss.delaware.gov/dhss/main/detanfplan.html

And this website does not show too much, but if Amy Cherry wants to verify the claims above, it might also change a lot of mis-perceptions many people have about TANF or normally called Welfare... It is called Career Team and they have a contract with the state of Delaware to provide their first rate job placement services to people on TANF .... Again all the rules have to be met in order for the person to receive assistance...

http://www.careerteam.com

And all other states are doing it as well. It is required by Federal Law... and non compliance by any state would negate receiving Federal Funds...

Pertaining your question, as to why it is not being explained to the American public, it is.. I see it in print all the time. What is not happening is that it is hitting the main stream media... which continues the Republican line that everyone on welfare is making $500,000 grand and owns half of Chicago... stuff like that...

We don't have media that explains things anymore... Exception is Allan's and WDEL's other staff for the most part. Which.... is why I'm here...

Mike from Delaware
Mon, Jul 21, 2014 11:39pm
Kavips: thank you, excellent information. So it appears that the Welfare reform has made a major difference. Thanks for the education programs stand corrected.

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 4:23am
Your, welcome... It stands that with the budget now short 480 billion each year we have gotten our federal spending down to levels of the middle Bush years...

A deficit is still a deficit which means the national debt is growing larger... Therefore it is important to not cut more, as we see the damage such cutting has done to infrastructure and social programs, but, get additional revenue.

To hold steady at $16 trillion, we just need $580 billion more each year in revenue.... That is to stay steady... Each quarter, our nations corporate profits are around $2 trillion. That is profit, money AFTER all expenses... Since there are 4 quarters that would be $8 trillion dollars of corporate profit each year.... Just an additional 7.25% of corporate profits would make us stable... Would not get rid of any debt, but it would stop us from creating debt. Since the actual corporate profit rate is around 14%, even though listed at 35%, we are asking Corporations to pay around 21% of their money they have so much of that they can't spend, to keep our nation solvent.... Most of us would call it a tax break if we could only pay 21%...

That is how unfairly taxes are stacked against the middle class, while corporations and the wealthy pay lower percentages....

Every day new evidence arise showing that we need to make those who got wealthy at our nations expense, invest some of that back into getting our nation not only back on its feet, but ready to finish the marathon it once was winning....

And if we just push it up to where corporations were paying what actual people pay, we could cut the debt even lower.... After all, Republicans are fond of saying... corporations are people too; so tax them like we are taxed... Don't give them special breaks we can't have....

T

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 8:14am
Kavips: I agree, good luck selling the TEA/GOP though.

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 8:34am
Mike, the point of democracy is that someone will disagree.. That is the whole point and how then will we decide whose way will win? We kill each other off and the last one standing does what he wants....

Oops... that it outdated... We intimidate the other side and whoever gives in, loses and the other side wins....

Oops... wrong again....

We play a round of rock, paper, scissors, and the best two out of three wins the trophy...

No?

We take a vote, maybe and decide base on which side gets the majority, no matter how narrow?

This is why we are at a stalemate. One party for the second time in our nation's history, finding itself in the minority, has made it a point to use the rules to grind government to a halt. That is why this is such a travesty, is because they have taken to other means than democracy to decide the path this nation must go...

The last time over 600,000 Americans died fighting each other over an issue because one side would not accept the fact it was not going to get its way.....

Then after the war, when grass was beginning to root over their graves, all decided that gee, majority rule wasn't so bad after all....

So to your point, I don't have to sell the Tea Party or GOP. I have to sell the independents.... who then will decided by piling one to either one side or the other or both, which of the two ways we must head...

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 8:52am
And changing the subject, (giving more ammunition to the anti-Obama crowd), a report emerged yesterday stating that out of all 27 terror incidents which were held as proof we needed to gut our rights as citizens for our own protection, only 4 weren't caused by us.

The FBI coerced the other 23, often who were quite reluctant, into doing something they would not otherwise have done... They targeted someone who was psychologically vulnerable, often with mental health issues, cowed them into submission, and then arrested them as soon as they had something they could prosecute...

One of the terrorists allegedly provided "military gear" to al-Qaida ... He was headed to the mid-East with waterproof socks in his luggage...

This is a clear example of police with too much power and too little oversight. I don't mind the power, but I do object to the carte-blanche lack of oversight being given here.... Pizza'a right. Our government is out to get you, and you had better be careful, because it now knows everything you do....

Isn't that why we threw the British out of our country?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/government-agents-directly-involved-us-terror-plots-report

Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 8:57am
Different topic: Pat Buchanan tells whats wrong with today's Republican party.

“You’re [the GOP] not going to get back the middle class when you’re constantly appeasing big business — when folks are losing their jobs because of these trade deals, these masses of imports, these open borders, and the wars we’ve gotten into. I think the whole country is rejecting that,” Buchanan told TheDC.

Buchanan strongly rebuked policies that have favored opening up America’s market to foreign goods and have encouraged businesses to outsource jobs to other countries and recruit low-skilled immigrant workers to come to the United States — policies that have been favored by the big business-wing of the party."

http://buchanan.org/blog/pat-buchanan-america-rejecting-gops-big-business-wing-6641



Back to immigration: Charles Krauthammer says: "immediate deportation is exactly what happens to illegal immigrants, children or otherwise, from Mexico and Canada. By what moral logic should there be a Central American exception?"

He explains why there is an exception for Central American and what can be done to change that, in the article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-immigration-no-brainer/2014/07/10/a7e8723c-085a-11e4-bbf1-cc51275e7f8f_story.html




kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 9:29am
And Next door in PA, Pennsylvania shows what happens when a state tries to follow the Tea Party's party line.... Moody's cut its bond rating even further ....

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/moody-s-downgrades-pennsylvania-on-pensions-budget/article_7c135540-1111-11e4-9937-001a4bcf6878.html

Tea Party math does not add up... It only leads to failure.

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 9:39am
Mike, Charles Krauthammer has his story all wrong. He is making stuff up. Here is a rebuttal from the Governor of Massachusetts explaining why...

"We have rescued Irish children from famine, Russian and Ukrainian children from religious persecution, Cambodian children from genocide, Haitian children from earthquakes, Sudanese children from civil war, and New Orleans children from Hurricane Katrina. Once, in 1939, we turned our backs on Jewish children fleeing the Nazis, and it remains a blight on our national reputation. The point is that this good Nation is great when we open our doors and our hearts to needy children, and diminished when we don’t." Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick

Where does Charles K get the notion that we have always turned children away? This is what is absolutely wrong with American media. They make something up (we always turn children away); then use it to fail America on their grading scale because it does not rise to the standard they arbitrarily set (we fail because we are not turning children away)... We only turned children away once... Those were the jews running from Hitler. We sent them back...

And now, this Jew, is saying... do the same thing to these kids...

Our nation's corporate profits are so high they are obscene. WE as a nation could take care of these children for 18 years and it wouldn't reach the fifth negative decimal place on our yearly GDP percent...

We all need to stop quoting people from Fox, CBS, NBC, and who is that other one? Yeah, ABC. Except when they have a guest on, and that persons says something interesting...

OUR media is not news. It is not really entertainment. It is propaganda for one side and one side only... the one percent.

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 9:43am
Anyone else embarrassed and disgusted by the actions of Israel this time?

They need to rid themselves of Conservatives and put someone more moderate in control.

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 10:21am
Hmmm. if Boehner sues the President, can the president then counter-sue the TEA Party? ON what grounds? Breech of duty?

When every member of Congress is sworn in, he swears this oath...

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance.... faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God....

"all enemies: foreign and domestic."

And they pledge allegiance to the flag every day....

Americans cannot be enemies of the state, by definition.. You are an American so how can you be an enemy to America? It IS you. Unless you are in the employ as a spy or soldier of another nationality... Otherwise you are equal to all other Americans: you are an American with an opinion. If you want no minimum wage, that is an opinion. It does not mean those who do indeed see a need for it, are traitors of this country. If you want unlimited access to guns for every criminal and citizen of the US, it does not make those into traitors who see the other side and disagree with you. That is abolutely impossible, because they are Americans too working for the betterment of their nation, so they can't be traitors if what they are doing is what they think is best for America....

Our enemies, if domestic, have to be working for someone outside the US. The Boston Bomber is a good example. They would be enemies who are domestic. Not someone who is just nuts, like Ted Cruz.

By major consensus, if you look at America today, it is a weakened form of its former self... That weakness comes from basically three republican policies.....

A) obstructing the passage of bills that would help economic recovery.(The Jobs Bill to put Americans back to work, the Unemployment Extension Bill, and the Infrastructure Bill to repair bridges and highways are three examples)

B) withholding their support to President Obama on key foreign policy issues regardless of which side he takes.

C) making personal attacks on the president and his spouse and children with comments like, you lie, he cannot be trusted, he is in over his head, he is un-American, he is weak, he was not born in America, and he is a half-mongrel dog....(This rhetoric is not constructive criticism it is more of a personal attack designed to demonize the commander in chief of everything American)

If in football someone takes a cheap shot for the sole purpose to take the quarterback out of the game, you are thrown out, maybe heavily fined, maybe banned from future play... Of course, YOU may sack a quarterback by certain rules, but if you go beyond them, you rightly get thrown out of the game......

What we do in football, should be done to those in Congress who, if they weren't Americans themselves, would certainly be sent to Gitmo to cool off, (especially if they were of Muslim ancestry too....)

The lack of outrage against the news media for allowing this to happen and not pointing it out, is very similar to the lack of outrage so often quoted about the everyday German's callous disregard for the eradication of the Jews. Most rank and file Germans knew nothing and were devastated towards the end of the war as the truth of what they had silently perpetuated, slowly became known....

Conservative politicians like Senator John McCain, Senator Lindsay Graham, Sarah Palin, and others like Pizza should consider that maybe their personal attacks on President Obama and their crusade to demonize and delegitimize our president is weakening the country. Maybe they should consider that it's not President Obama who is weakening America, but they themselves.

If your own actions as a Congressperson weaken this country, aren't you violating your own oath of office? You have become the enemy of America... And over these past four years, this Republican Tea Party war has cost this country dearly....

So please sue them, Mr. President. Breech of duty.


Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 10:31am
I didn't realize Krauthammer was Jewish, figured he was German given his last name.

Those other kids were clear cut real issues of prosecution or abuse, etc, that we knew existed. The kids were brought here, not by Cyotes, but on ships, and legitimate transport, where we were asked if they could come here NOT snuck in. THAT's a major difference.

Interesting you have no comments on Rick Perry dispatching 1000 Texas National Guard troops to the Tex/Mex border.

There is a real problem, that Obama and his cohorts in DC are ignoring. If not the people of Texas wouldn't be spending the millions of their dollars its going to cost them to put those troops on the border. So inspite what you've heard, it appears that people are still getting across the border illegally be they on foot, hidden in the floorboards of a truck, in a hay bale, tunneling, etc.

THAT needs to be sealed up. It's sad that Obama and the Congress have been sitting on their hands and essentially have forced Govenor Perry to take action on his own due to the Feds NOT doing what the Constition says they should do, to protect our borders.

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 10:33am
Has anyone else noticed the influx of beggers at intersections holding signs asking for money... Whereas last year I knew of two intersections that usually had someone on them, this year it seems like everyone now has a card-carrying someone holding a sign...

One would think that with a Republican Congress willing to raise the debt by $267 billion for an additional tax cut to the one percent making $2 trillion every 65 working days, that we could instead use some of that to put construction workers to work and rebuild our infrastructure..... opening service jobs now taken by them due to lack of construction, for these people holding signs...

Upon reflection some other factors in this year to year comparison, could be the complete loss of unemployment due to Boehnor not putting it on the floor, and to the cuts in TANF supplements that were passed and went into effect last November, cutting up to 30% of benefits these were getting last year....

I preferred these people being out of my face... Whatever we were doing before, we should go back to that... It seems imperative that we need to make sure Republicans can no longer stop progress from moving forward....

kavips
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 10:39am
The last comment above made me realize this... Have you every been to a third world nation where strangers all come up to you to beg for money... Give me, give me, give me they all sound the same no matter what the language....

Republican policies are turning us into exactly that. Listen to how they talk. Their vision of a better America is turning us exactly into one of those nation.....


Mike from Delaware
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 1:34pm
Kavips: the homeless started showing up in the 1980's during the Reagan Administration, when the Gipper cut back the government programs for the mentally ill. So they were released. Overnight homeless folks. I particularly remember Reagan being asked about the homeless folks lieing on the crates in the sidewalk across the street from the White House at Laffette Park. It was in the middle of winter, about 10 degrees out and when asked about those folks Reagan quipped, they want to be there.

Of course Bonzo's co-star [Reagan] also famously said Ketchup is a vegetable when complaints were made about school lunch program not serving vegetables.

So those folks with the cardboard signs have been with us for quite a while. If you live in a working class neighborhood you see them almost daily at interesections or in shopping center parking lots all asking for a handout. If you live in Greenville or Hockessin you won't see them unless you drive down to the other areas.

So the problem did start in the 1980's, but sadly neither party has tried to fix it. Many folks laughed at ole nutty Ross Perot, when he talked about NAFTA would cause a great big sucking sound as jobs would leave the US for Mexico and other third world places.

Well Ross, who should have been the Boss or Prez, was 100% correct.

Today we have far fewer factory jobs and yes Republicans favor business, but to be fair, when the DEMS have had control [Clinton years], and the first two years of Obama's term, they've done nothing either to change that.

However, I do agree with you Kavips, that the GOP/TEA vision of cutting taxes for the wealthiest 2% is wrong wrong wrong.

My guess is had Hillary won in 2008 things might be a bit different. She's a fighter and Obama is not. Obama is an idea person, but he's not a leader and that is why the GOP/TEA folks have been able to basically stall his administration. He's a thinker, but not a doer. He thinks pie in the sky, but doesn't know how to turn that vision into reality other than healthcare - his passion. Frankly Obama doesn't appear to even care any more. He got his Healthcare bill passed [his one passion] and now he's just coasting waiting for private life again. The Obama's made their fortune during these 8 years and are ready to go live the good life.

mrpizza
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 8:02pm
Hey Kooky: Israel is DEFENDING itself. Duh!

MFD: You and Kavips can debate homeless welfare politics if you like. I'm going to do charity God's way: Through the CHURCH.

mrpizza
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 8:04pm
It makes sense to me that Krauthammer is a German Jew. Many of the Jews slaughtered in the holocaust were native Germans.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 8:35am
Mrpizza: I agree that Israel is defending itself. The Arabs just don't get it. The Israelis, if provoked, will kick their butts in a serious way. The Arabs forget the 1967 war to their peril.

I also agree that the best way to do charity is God's way, through the church. However, how many non-denominational churches are operating soup kitchens, food closets, clothes clothest, homeless shelters, hospitals, health clinics, and other charible organizations to help folks with their physical needs? Interesting that what your church would refer to as the "Dead Churches or not full gospel churches" the so called "Main Line" denominations [Lutheran, Methodist, Prepbyteraian, Episcopalians, Baptists, and yes the Roman Catholics ALL do those things. So from where I sit, it appears that THOSE less than full gospel churches are doing charity God's way. So maybe those are the real "full gospel" churches. Those big box non-denominational churches need to step up to the plate and start doing their share of the work, THEN we might not need the government to do charity.

Now in fairness there may be one or two non-denominational churches in the area doing some of this work, if so they are a minority in that group of churches.

Sadly those churches are usually made up of with mostly conservative Republicans who are against using tax dollars to help the poor [as you've implied above] and yet their churches aren't doing anything to help the poor. So essentially those Christians are sitting back and letting their brothers/sisters in Christ carry the load. My guess is if St. Paul were alive today, he'd write a letter to the Non-Denominational churches and discuss this issue with them.

My suggestion is for those churches to do a bible study of Jesus' words, the Red Lettered words. I think they'd find it eye opening.


kavips
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 12:11pm
What Pizza doesn't know about Israel:

Casualities 649 Palestinians 31 Israelis
Civilian Casualities: 74% Palestinians 0 Israelis
Dead Civilians: 480 Palestinians 0 Israelis

England's ministers of Parliament are calling Israel's Gaza War a war crime.

Israel has defied UN orders to withdraw from illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories..

Israel has also defied the Human Rights Council's finding that the Wall, aka The Apartheid Wall, is a violation of international law.

Israel chooses to join North Korea in not adhering to the Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty.

Isreal kept an illegal stockpile of nuclear warheads estimated to be between 275 and 400, along with intercontinental ballistic missals and nuclear submarines enabling Israel to strike any point on the globe.

Israeli has also been accused of violations of the Geneva Conventions, such as "collective punishement" (bombing entire civilian populations of Gaza for the alleged, and unproven actions of alleged criminal action.

Pizza's claim reminds me of the 10th grader who walks up behind a kid on his first day of kindergarten and punches that kid in the head as hard as he can with his fist... and says... "I'm defending myself... ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...."

Sorry Pizza, you live in la-la land. There these things, called newpapers we have these days... You should try reading one sometime.

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 12:18pm
Caught a segment of Al's show this morning on WDEL. He made an excellent point, even though I don't get the impression he's a big fan of Israel he said [paraphrasing] - If Hamas was seriously worried about the safety of their women and children, they'd do whatever to stop the bombing, the fact that they won't speaks volumes. Al also mentioned, that during the Clinton years the Palestinians turned down a peace settlement that met 95% of what they wanted. So how committed to peace are they?

kavips
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 12:30pm
btw... Exactly 100 years ago, Austria Hungary sends Serbia an ultimatum that was crafted to insure Serbia would not accept..

The Deadline gave 48 hours to comply.... The ultimatum was hand delivered at 6 pm, by the Austrian ambassador to the Serbian foreign minister.




kavips
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 12:40pm
I have berated the US media. Let me tell you why... There are the top three reasons our media is not doing its job which is to inform the citizens of the US all it needs to know...

One: Confusing "Balance" for Objectivity. They are not the same. One uses objectivity first, and then seeks to show balance. One classic example is the now-famous video where Bill Nye debates global warming, and to show the balance, 99 other scientists come out to debate the single one still saying global warming is a hoax. That is objectivity.

Two: Presenting Important Events Only in Terms of the Political Impact... Allan is extremely guilty of this: "how does this affect Hillary's chances?" It's still 2 year away for heavens sakes! Focus on the plane and bodies..

Three: There Is No Accountability for Being Wrong... Those pundits who were completely wrong on Iraq, on Iran, on Haiti, on Global warming, on taxes, on the economy, on Afghanistan, are still the same people called in every Sunday to discuss whatever the news of that week was? Hello! We're not listening.... You were wrong, remember? You don't know what you are talking about! Much rather have new blood and then it would be worth watching again...

The news media has a responsibility which they have abdicated. Thank goodness real reporters are working for the international agencies and papers...

Mike from Delaware
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 1:39pm
Kavips: part of the problem with focusing on the plane and the bodies is there isn't much to report. Consider what topics gets the most conversation here on this blog. Not the plane nor the bodies, but either political or religious stuff.

News used to be viewed by the Radio/TV networks as a public service. In the 1970's someone in Radio/TV land figured out that they could make money with the news. So now its about ratings and ad revenue. That's when we started seeing the Ken and Barbie news anchors [on local TV news] sitting next to each other making cutsey comments back and forth. Very different from the serious white male anchors we had on Philly TV in the 1950's and 60's I grew up with John Facenda on channel 10, Vince Lenard on channel 3, Gunner Back on channel 6, and Sid Shaw on channel 12. Same with the networks Chet Huntley and David Brinkley on NBC, Douglas Edwards, Edward R. Murrow, then Walter Cronkite on CBS, Howard K. Smith, etc, on ABC. News was serious.

Today the networks and the local stations want the female audience that the advertisers want, so now there are segments in the newscast on all sorts of non-news stuff. The news has become "chickified".

It's all about ratings and selling spots, be it local or national Radio or TV.

mrpizza
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 7:21pm
MFD: Excellent analysis of churches on the charity issue. Yes, there needs to be 100% participation if we're going to replace the government as the social worker.

I know that you've been critical of the prosperity message, and it isn't my intent here to continue the debate, but I would like to share with you a message that Jerry Savelle preached back in 1988 entitled "Become Seed Minded, Not Need Minded." As somebody who wants to do all I can to not just preach about helping the poor but actually put it into action, this particular message has inspired me to shift my focus to giving as a primary rather than secondary priority.
Anyway, here's the link. No pressure for you to listen to it, but just want to share the idea and I think you may find it useful even though you don't agree with the theology. Have a blessed day, and enjoy if you like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvgGK4mZGlw

Disclaimer: I really don't give all that much money to Copeland and them, as I prefer to give mostly to Sunday Breakfast and places like that, but KCM has been very generous with their podcasts, mp3's, etc., and they've never sent me a bill.


mrpizza
Wed, Jul 23, 2014 7:22pm
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ALLAN LOUDELL!

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 10:28am
Mrpizza: I listened to about the first 20 minutes of that link. I have no problem with the idea that God gave him $1000 dollars, because God knew that Jerry Seville would be then able to pass that on to that family who needed the money to stay in their homes.

God does that all the time. Now if Jerry donated that money because he believed that God would bless him even more because of it, then his motivation was wrong. We give with no expectation of getting anything back. We give, because that's what Jesus taught us to do by his example. The motivation or heart is the issue.

mrpizza
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 7:05pm
MFD: Yeah, whatever.

mrpizza
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 7:26pm
MFD: Thanks for listening. The point I wanted to make is that rank and file believers need to take the initiative because at the end of the day they are church rather than the building they worship in.

Mike from Delaware
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 9:19pm
Mrpizza: Each believer needs to seek Gods will for their lives. Giving to those God prompts them to do with no thought of getting anything in return.

Yes, we are the church, not the brick building.


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